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Post by saltin on Mar 17, 2017 19:40:45 GMT
 So..who invented the internet? Some say it was an ET from planet Mars who did it! Others claimed Al Gore did it by himself and yet many state it was all started by a group of C.E.R.N scientists. Your opinion on this? Please cite sources like wikipidia to back up any claims. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Mar 17, 2017 19:56:10 GMT
Your science minister after you research Telecommunications and Computers.  |
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Post by Desophaeus on Mar 17, 2017 19:56:15 GMT
Honestly... no single person or organization in particular. I do agree with Tim being credited for the hypertext markup language - HTML, and CERN was the insignator of the WWW, yes. But is that all the internet is? NO. It's much bigger than that. What I said is that all elements of what makes up the Internet cannot be attributed to one person or one institute. For example, server technology, where did the hardware came from? Different places. Where did the software to support the ISPs came from? Different places. There is so many important innovations involved to make a HUGE global network achievable. If you were to count the patents involved with creating various things for the Internet to work... the number would be definitely very high. Each step of creating the internet had Americans involved one way or another. We also adapted our society to incorporate the Internet very early, so in the beginning the people who used the Internet was almost 100% American. Now, all that has changed, and many more countries are entering the Internet and we the Americans view it as a good thing. Of course, I had to tease about us "owning the internet" in humor. (Edited to be more gentle in tone) |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 17, 2017 21:10:09 GMT
It starts again...
I know its just a joke up there, but I'd note that its not the default American position that Al Gore invented the internet, in opposition to the CERN school of internet creation theory.
Is just an myth, in fact painting him in a negative light.
What IS interesting, however, is his apparent actual role in the development of the Internet. I remember reading about ARPANET, which was funded by the US government.
Well, to Quote, horror of horrors, wikipedia.
(ARPANET) was an early packet switching network and the first network to implement the protocol suite TCP/IP. Both technologies became the technical foundation of the Internet.
And Al Gore's part in it:
In the 1980s and 1990s, he promoted legislation that funded an expansion of the ARPANET, allowing greater public access, and helping to develop the Internet.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 17, 2017 21:15:23 GMT
Note that ARPANET was started in 1969, and began to grow across the US in 1970. In 1973 it reached Norway. Meanwhile CERN began working on "the world wide web" in 1989- with the previously mentioned Tim Berners-Lee. I thus argue that by chronological order CERN cannot be considered the "inventor" of the internet, and that America has an older claim. Ignoring the American help with CERN as well. Of course, Deso has pointed out multiple people and countries worked on this mammoth invention. What do you think of this Desophaeus? |
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Post by Bismarck Jr on Mar 17, 2017 21:15:47 GMT
The united states funded arpanet so I'm giving it to them.
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Post by Bismarck Jr on Mar 17, 2017 21:16:22 GMT
However as to who manages it? I'd say the World Wide Web Consortium.
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Post by Desophaeus on Mar 17, 2017 21:16:24 GMT
Note that ARPANET was started in 1969, and began to grow across the US in 1970. In 1973 it reached Norway. Meanwhile CERN began working on "the world wide web" in 1989- with the previously mentioned Tim Berners-Lee. I thus argue that by chronological order CERN cannot be considered the "inventor" of the internet, and that America has an older claim. Ignoring the American help with CERN as well. Of course, Deso has pointed out multiple people and countries worked on this mammoth invention. What do you think of this Desophaeus? Deso-approved.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 3:21:28 GMT
It was me the whole time! *Dramatic sting.* I don't know if it is necessary to know who invented the internet so long as we're using it correctly. In my opinion, it doesn't matter who started the domino effect, but rather what happened because of it.
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Post by Singlemalt on Mar 18, 2017 3:54:15 GMT
IMO:
Before you can give an answer first you have to agree with definition of the invention itself. What do you see as included, since evolution of a specific topic can introduce many inventors/changes with new discoveries.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Mar 18, 2017 4:15:01 GMT
IMO: Before you can give an answer first you have to agree with definition of the invention itself. What do you see as included, since evolution of a specific topic can introduce many inventors/changes with new discoveries. True. This is also a very, very big invention For me, it is the sharing of computer data and messages between many individual devices. It in the early days consisted of concentrations of connected devices (such as at higher institutions of education) that could connect to geographically separate concentrations. The internet still uses this concentration system to some extent, with for example schools using insular systems. ARPANET was capable of this, its first message sent between two Californian cities. In fact, before its deactivation in 1990 it had upgraded to the same basic linking system as the modern internet. The more I read, the less convinced I am that CERN invented the Internet. Wikipedia is very insistent that the World Wide web invented by CERN does not mean "internet" and in fact in its world wide web article it states that the world wide web "can be accessed via the Internet." However, the world wide web DOES constitute the system most people use on the internet. But that hardly means it was the invention itself. Apparently the dividing line between ARPANET and the Internet, is that the internet is fully commercial, while ARPANET never fully left US government control. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Mar 18, 2017 7:14:10 GMT
Another interesting thing about this internet topic is the web browser. I doubt most of you guys are old enough to remember the internet in the early 90s. I remember Netscape, the first highly successful browser, it was basically an upgrade from Mosaic the first true grpahic-capable browser (as opposed to a hideous mess). Mosaic was invented in... America. Without Mosaic, the World Wide Web would never have got spreaded out so far, certainly not without a viable accessible program.
Another American invention that made the World Wide Web viable was the server (computing type) which was originally made first for ARPANET then later was incorporated into CERN's project and Tim Berners-Lee had to even use an American computer to be a sorta of a modified server as the first web server host for the World Wide Web.
There's definitely more to the concept of Internet than just a bunch of wiring and motherboards. |
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Post by Orion Pax on Mar 18, 2017 8:39:43 GMT
So..who invented the internet? Some say it was an ET from planet Mars who did it! Others claimed Al Gore did it by himself and yet many state it was all started by a group of C.E.R.N scientists. Your opinion on this? Please cite sources like wikipidia to back up any claims. Let's start with simple facts,1) internet wasn't made in one country,2)internet was made by connecting computers in to networks, and term internet means internal network, which was referred to companies or buildings computers, when companies got larger they needed to connect further away from their main office, some bosses and employees needed access to files from home, so they connected and to be honest I can't define when internet became internet |
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Post by Orion Pax on Mar 18, 2017 8:45:57 GMT
IMO: Before you can give an answer first you have to agree with definition of the invention itself. What do you see as included, since evolution of a specific topic can introduce many inventors/changes with new discoveries. True. This is also a very, very big invention For me, it is the sharing of computer data and messages between many individual devices. It in the early days consisted of concentrations of connected devices (such as at higher institutions of education) that could connect to geographically separate concentrations. The internet still uses this concentration system to some extent, with for example schools using insular systems. ARPANET was capable of this, its first message sent between two Californian cities. In fact, before its deactivation in 1990 it had upgraded to the same basic linking system as the modern internet. The more I read, the less convinced I am that CERN invented the Internet. Wikipedia is very insistent that the World Wide web invented by CERN does not mean "internet" and in fact in its world wide web article it states that the world wide web "can be accessed via the Internet." However, the world wide web DOES constitute the system most people use on the internet. But that hardly means it was the invention itself. Apparently the dividing line between ARPANET and the Internet, is that the internet is fully commercial, while ARPANET never fully left US government control. First of all URL - Uniform Resource Locator, www is just an access type, there is wap and m in the popular end |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 8:57:11 GMT
For those of you who use the internet and don't know its full form. It means INTERnational NETwork. Not "INTERnal NETwork"
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