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Post by dsongop on Mar 4, 2019 21:01:01 GMT
I can't believe it guys. You can actually win a conquest with avoiding a major enemy through diplomacy. This literally took me hours to do, so I'm surprised I didn't give up, as I was about to this attempt. Sorry I wasn't really screenshotting everything. I will definitely try to consistently replicate this, as I made some dumb mistakes, but also got lucky at times. Also seems like Easytech messed up and gave me an E???, I guess they must think I was a hacker, and they don't want to reward possibly hacking the game.
Setup on turn 1
As you can see, I put Nelson on the frigate, napoleon on an artillery, and deployed all three of my infantry auras close to austria along with the massena i was given I also spawned Lan and Murat, I will later deploy Blucher on mainland Britain.
Captured 2 cities already by the next turn Sardinia gone
Austrian front, not the best its ever looked, but Austria is usually the easiest out of all your targets Another earlier try where Austria was steamrolled over English front
Austria getting eaten up Mediterranean front London falls in turn 5, got lucky Britain didnt place a garrison in London, sometimes they spawn a general in turn 5 right there Poor Lannes, he died a few turns later, wiping out a lot of my motivation, yet miraculously and unexpectedly.... I delayed Russia in turn 4/5 I believe, so I guess it's true, you don't have to wipe out all of the coalition, now I wonder if it's possible in 1815 to avoid the Scandinavian invasion if you're playing on the French side, because they join in 30+ turns. I'll probably try to do this again soon, which I will definitely screenshot more of my progress. Peace out guys!
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Post by deathdefying13 on Mar 4, 2019 23:06:28 GMT
Nice, my current conquest is Bavaria and I'm on turn 273 lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 4:52:05 GMT
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Post by stoic on Mar 5, 2019 5:48:39 GMT
Theoretically it is possible to complete this conquest before Russia will enter the war. And France have funds to bribe Russia long enough. It looks like a cheat to me (because Russia is the main enemy of France). But, I guess, it is a legit one because no principle rules were broken. Still we need a verification. I hope that someone can try to do the same with the same result. It sounds easy enough
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 5:52:47 GMT
Theoretically it is possible to complete this conquest before Russia will enter the war. And France have funds to bribe Russia long enough. It looks like a cheat to me (because Russia is the main enemy of France). But, I guess, it is a legit one because no principle rules were broken. Still we need a verification. I hope that someone can try to do the same with the same result. It sounds easy enough Yup, we should try it out to see if it's possible. It is possible to delay Russia for 20 turns, so i guess it is possible, but the amount of resources to do so needed is massive, so i guess all the resources goes to delaying russia while only using minimal number of units possible. Also, the donations need to be used as early as possible before you capture too many cities, which would increase the amount needed for donations. I'm in the middle of reading some case study(while slacking off a bit), so i'll try it out later.
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Post by stoic on Mar 5, 2019 5:59:19 GMT
Theoretically it is possible to complete this conquest before Russia will enter the war. And France have funds to bribe Russia long enough. It looks like a cheat to me (because Russia is the main enemy of France). But, I guess, it is a legit one because no principle rules were broken. Still we need a verification. I hope that someone can try to do the same with the same result. It sounds easy enough Yup, we should try it out to see if it's possible. It is possible to delay Russia for 20 turns, so i guess it is possible, but the amount of resources to do so needed is massive, so i guess all the resources goes to delaying russia while only using minimal number of units possible. Also, the donations need to be used as early as possible before you capture too many cities, which would increase the amount needed for donations. I'm in the middle of reading some case study(while slacking off a bit), so i'll try it out later. You voice all possible doubts accurately and clearly If it is possible to do it at all - then it is possible to do it many times. Even in less than 16 turns
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 6:21:10 GMT
Yup, we should try it out to see if it's possible. It is possible to delay Russia for 20 turns, so i guess it is possible, but the amount of resources to do so needed is massive, so i guess all the resources goes to delaying russia while only using minimal number of units possible. Also, the donations need to be used as early as possible before you capture too many cities, which would increase the amount needed for donations. I'm in the middle of reading some case study(while slacking off a bit), so i'll try it out later. You voice all possible doubts accurately and clearly If it is possible to do it at all - then it is possible to do it many times. Even in less than 16 turns Question is, how hard it is to replicate. Since if it's legit and we dismiss it since it's hard to replicate, it would be unfair. I guess the only real way to see is to actually do it. Since the problem here would be Sweden and Naples. If we send no units to Sweden, they usually fall around turn 20 or even more if Denmark decides to not send units to capture the last city. Naples falls quickly, although at times they surprisingly survive, as seen in my speed run of Denmark 1798 where they survived until turn 28. Portugal falls around turn 11, so i guess if it's possible to beat the game without Russia even entering the war, then the speed run is dependent on how fast you can defeat Britain and Sweden, and hope that Naples loses before that happens, or at the time it happens. That is assuming you can knock Austria out quickly too, and since you don't really donate to Prussia, they enter pretty early in the game.
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Post by stoic on Mar 5, 2019 6:34:47 GMT
You voice all possible doubts accurately and clearly If it is possible to do it at all - then it is possible to do it many times. Even in less than 16 turns Question is, how hard it is to replicate. Since if it's legit and we dismiss it since it's hard to replicate, it would be unfair. I guess the only real way to see is to actually do it. Since the problem here would be Sweden and Naples. If we send no units to Sweden, they usually fall around turn 20 or even more if Denmark decides to not send units to capture the last city. Naples falls quickly, although at times they surprisingly survive, as seen in my speed run of Denmark 1798 where they survived until turn 28. Portugal falls around turn 11, so i guess if it's possible to beat the game without Russia even entering the war, then the speed run is dependent on how fast you can defeat Britain and Sweden, and hope that Naples loses before that happens, or at the time it happens. That is assuming you can knock Austria out quickly too, and since you don't really donate to Prussia, they enter pretty early in the game. I think the main question is whether it is possible to keep Russia out of the war without badly compromising all other fronts or not. If the answer is "yes" then sooner or later we can repeat (or beat) this result.
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Post by stoic on Mar 5, 2019 6:45:07 GMT
The question is interesting enough. I think I'll try to do it, as well But the problem is how can we evaluate such strategy. I don't believe it would be viable elsewhere outside 1796. But should we accept such attemts as legit? best75, what do you think of it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 7:06:02 GMT
The question is interesting enough. I think I'll try to do it, as well But the problem is how can we evaluate such strategy. I don't believe it would be viable elsewhere outside 1796. But should we accept such attemts as legit? best75 , what do you think of it? yeah, 1815 is the only theoretical one where this can apply, but i doubt it's possible to beat all your enemies in europe while your American allies win to, since US tends to lose hard even with donations. Only applies to 1798, if proven to be legit of course .
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Post by dsongop on Mar 5, 2019 7:40:03 GMT
I believe many of you all are great players at this game and quite possibly better than I am. I'm relatively new to the forum, but after surfing around I concluded that a lot of players here like stoic are definitely capable of doing this. Here's a little strategy I developed to help make this conquest a little more consistent. The trick is to take Sardinia by turn 4, London by turn 5, and Vienna by turn 7. Also bribe the ottomans once and russia once if you want. Most of my donations go to Denmark and Italy, but if Spain is having a hard time taking Portugals then by all means help them. Lastly you need 8 generals, preferably 1 strong navy, 1 strong artillery, at least 2 aura infantries, and at least an aura cavalry. London is probably the most challenging and integral front, and if you can't take it by turn 5, restart. Troop movements are very specific in order to achieve this, and there's even a chance they'll spawn a general in London. Here's what I found works out best. Turn 1 setup: Move your clipper and infantry towards Ireland Place your other infantry under the port *important, put your best naval general on the frigate and the best art general on the artillery, then move Suchet and Soult as shown. Turn 2: Keep on moving those two troops on the left to Ireland, while you place the infantry on the port to bait Hood for at least 4 turns. Attack Paget with the frigate. Turn 3: Attack London with Nelson, tactic master activated for him, so I got quite lucky, place Suchet next to mainland Britain, and Soult in the tile shown. Soult will most likely be a sacrifise in order to distract British units.
Turn 4: Suchet lands, place Soult in that tile, and place napoleon two tiles directly underneath London (so he has 2 possible landing points, made a mistake here, but it didnt matter in the end because of Nelson's tactic master) Retreat Nelson, this doesn't seem logical, but it takes away pressure from London so they most likely won't spawn anyone. Also make sure not to kill any British units. Turn 5: Land your artillery if the city isn't as low as it is here, assuming you placed your artillery correctly the last turn (oh silly me). Activate your wonder if you're not confident. In my case, I just moved Nelson back and took the city with Suchet Then I recommend to destroy the port and build a stable next to the shore, which your best cavalry general should spawn. Obviously you wouldn't be as rich as I am here, and you may not be able to afford a stable. I ignored all other fronts and did this just for a demonstration of how it's possible to take out Britain in 16 turns. For the other fronts, it's absolutely doable considering the experience you players have. Take Sardinia and advance to Palermo, attract the British fleet by building a militia in Cagliari every turn. Try to keep Lannes alive, and if you can't, just start donating to Italy once in a while. Sometimes you get unlucky and Italy focuses on Venice and the HRE, in that case, without Lannes, just restart. For the HRE, try to take at least 1 city a turn and blitzreig them, taking Vienna by turn 7, (turn 6 is possible too). After Vienna falls, diverge your army into two, sending at least 3 generals to help kill Prussia. I would recommend your cavalry generals to go to Prussia, since the only time I succeeded, I took Danzig by turn 11 and sent Murat and Davout in the water already. You can basically take Austria any time now, especially with help from the Ottomans (if you paid them in), and a little from Poland and Italy. Build blasts in Danzig and try your best to take Helsinki and help the Danes take Stockholm. In conclusion, this requires a lot of skill and luck, also very decent tech and generals. This should not be that hard to achieve if someone can pass Crimean War with 3 stars on every mission. Good luck to you all.
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Post by dsongop on Mar 5, 2019 7:44:54 GMT
I also think that the same strategy would work for Russia/Portugal in 1798. While looking at the conquest records forum, I was genuinely surprised that none of you attempted Portugal in the 1 star 1798 category, since Portugal goes one direction the whole game, the only thing to worry about is killing off Denmark before the Ottomans join. In addition, since Portugal is a small country, bribes seem much more affordable.
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Post by silvercreek on Mar 5, 2019 8:04:44 GMT
deletedIt looks like your title is already in jeopardy. I did warn you the dogs would be coming in but did not expect it so quick. And now it's France.
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Post by dsongop on Mar 5, 2019 8:17:21 GMT
silvercreek , I believe I won't break Deleted 's record since I barely play 2 stars in 1798. Actually I may be the one who would hold world's fastest conqueror for the shortest time. Just watch stoic complete France in 15 turns after I get the title lol.
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Post by silvercreek on Mar 5, 2019 8:25:33 GMT
silvercreek , I believe I won't break Deleted 's record since I barely play 2 stars in 1798. Actually I may be the one who would hold world's fastest conqueror for the shortest time. Just watch stoic complete France in 15 turns after I get the title lol. That would be quite a feat. 🍿😀🍿
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