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Post by yuanzhong on Jul 18, 2019 3:47:33 GMT
Antony is runner, Huo is killing machine (give him crossbow and use Oration on him in battle, you'll see how good he is), and Arminius isn't so good  Arminius is the first Cav I bought and I have all 3 of them now. I agree that Huo is a very powerful general when his moral is high, but there is one "but"... If he has a crossbow - there is only one way to increase his moral constantly, namely Oration. But what about other generals who need Oration as well? Caesar, Hannibal, Spartacus, Mithridates, Vercingetorix ... All of them will profit from high moral, and there is only one crown in the game... IMO, it's depend on who will get best benefit from high morale. 45% crit rate in GRC is even better than 60% in WC4 (As I see), and Huo is always high morale in my team sometimes killing unit make high morale also, that means you needn't alway use Oration on Huo. 25% or even 35%, i think it's same to blitzkrieg in WC 3, rather rarely actived. |
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Post by Lucius Vorenus on Jul 18, 2019 4:10:14 GMT
He only has 10% more crit than Arminius, at the cost of garrison and less capability. That doesn't make him a killing machine. And ill take charge and jungle fighting over raid and counterattack any day. That 10% makes things different. As I said, Arminius is the first Cav gen of mine, that's mean in first looking, I like him most because of his skill and capability. But in actual play, I think that Huo is better (Huo is the third general I bought, that's mean at beginning I think he's the worst among 3) If you think so then great. I like Arminius skills better so I will stick to him. |
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Post by andrei on Jul 18, 2019 4:10:47 GMT
He only has 10% more crit than Arminius, at the cost of garrison and less capability. That doesn't make him a killing machine. And ill take charge and jungle fighting over raid and counterattack any day. He has interesting uses to say the least. I don't have much preference from both Huo or Arminius, although I slightly favor Huo because of his unique skill set rather than overt strength over Arminius. Will choose Antony over them all day tho. His unique skill set is nothing better in comparison to Arminius. Guerilla and Counterattack with the same guy? No thanks! |
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Post by stoic on Jul 18, 2019 4:23:44 GMT
That's what I am talking about... We won't find any consensus on best cavalry generals. If we examine Scipio under a certain degree, even he can be useful when used properly. But neither of them will meet all demands. I continue to insist - the best cavalry general is the one made with our own hands! The same is true about Infantry and Archers, though |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 5:01:48 GMT
stoic,agreed. Although, if we exclude them, then we can actually see who are the best generals. Let's say for cavalry. What is a cavalry's job? In this game, it's to kill infantry, scout ahead and secure cities. Who are the best generals who do those the best? Hannibal and Antony. For infantry, infantry is harder to pinpoint which is their exact role. Infantry gens are used primarily to attack cities, damage units for cavalry to finish off, and to be used as scouts and bait since they are tanky enough to live, and are easy to replenish(even heavy infantry is not that hard to replenish compared to cavalry and archers). The only infantry Gen that can do all of these is Pompey. Vercingetorix, Spartacus and Crassus are actually close to that( Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus relax, we can reevaluate him later on ). For archers, it's to deal as much damage to the enemy as possible, and also to kill cavalry. Mithridates, Caesar and Drusus are the best. Octavian with counterattack is an interesting one. Cleopatra falls short since her other skills are for navy. I didn't include price efficiency, but it becomes:which of the generals can do their job compared to other gens of similar prices?
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Post by stoic on Jul 18, 2019 5:39:21 GMT
stoic,agreed. Although, if we exclude them, then we can actually see who are the best generals. Let's say for cavalry. What is a cavalry's job? In this game, it's to kill infantry, scout ahead and secure cities. Who are the best generals who do those the best? Hannibal and Antony. For infantry, infantry is harder to pinpoint which is their exact role. Infantry gens are used primarily to attack cities, damage units for cavalry to finish off, and to be used as scouts and bait since they are tanky enough to live, and are easy to replenish(even heavy infantry is not that hard to replenish compared to cavalry and archers). The only infantry Gen that can do all of these is Pompey. Vercingetorix, Spartacus and Crassus are actually close to that( Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus relax, we can reevaluate him later on ). For archers, it's to deal as much damage to the enemy as possible, and also to kill cavalry. Mithridates, Caesar and Drusus are the best. Octavian with counterattack is an interesting one. Cleopatra falls short since her other skills are for navy. I didn't include price efficiency, but it becomes:which of the generals can do their job compared to other gens of similar prices? In the future campaigns, I presume, there will be a great number of lvl 4 and 5 cities, heavily guarded by elite Infantry units. So we have several problems here: 1. We have to conquer urban areas around the city first. 2. We have to find a way to avoid a direct assault. 3. We have to repel possible attacks aimed to break the siege. 4. And we have to defend the city after we have taken it. Paradoxically, Scipio is best suited for the the task. All we need is to conquer an urban area near the city and put Scipio into it. With level 1-3 cities Antony is a king on the battlefield. But with level 5 (guarded) cities his mobility is like a wave hitting the rock. Maybe, I am mistaken, but, probably we have to find some new ways, especially with high level cities around. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 6:08:23 GMT
stoic ,if in future campaigns we face high leveled cities guarded by elite troops, then of course we won't use Antony to attack the cities,rather to kill off weaker infantry units so our own "elite assassins" can do their job . Crassus will be great there since he can quickly destroy the city so enemy garrisons will take the full brunt of a Hannibal to the face. If that doesn't work, we find other ways, like capturing a nearby city, switching cavalry gens to replenish and attack. Scipio has a niche use which is a shame, I like Scipio and him being a bit underrated in terms of being a great strategist saddens me. Like how he positioned his units with the mercenaries in the sides and the Roman elite in the sides, so the Cartheginians would do the same. Then as he sounded the battle alarm one day, he switched the positions of the elite and mercenaries knowing that being forced to action, the Cartheginians will do the usual Elites on the center, mercenaries on the side, meaning the elite units will eventually be in the center and would be unable to help their dying comrades as they get slaughtered last, so the Roman's would eventually encircle the Cartheginians and annihilate them. Also, his brilliant plan of attacking Spain to attack Hannibal supply line, then finally invading Carthage while befriending the nearby tribes hostile to Carthage, then denying Hannibal of all his advantages before their final battle may be standard today, but the fact that no Roman ever thought of that and his far sigtheness and brilliant maneuvering should be acknowledged.Also be reminded that all other generals that faced Hannibal got their asss kicked, and even his father took a massive kick to the butt, and that he was facing Hannibal, one of the greatest army morale boosters andstrategist.) while Antony is great in almost all scenarios. That is why he's the best gold cavalry .
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Post by Alexyx on Jul 18, 2019 10:40:03 GMT
 This is my final build probably for him. Might change Pompei Gladius for Laurell Crown later. But he works quite well already |
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Post by andrei on Jul 18, 2019 10:51:39 GMT
That's what I am talking about... We won't find any consensus on best cavalry generals. If we examine Scipio under a certain degree, even he can be useful when used properly. But neither of them will meet all demands. I continue to insist - the best cavalry general is the one made with our own hands! The same is true about Infantry and Archers, though I'll wait for the update to give the skills (besides March) to my Commander to make final decision |
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Post by stoic on Jul 18, 2019 11:24:02 GMT
That's what I am talking about... We won't find any consensus on best cavalry generals. If we examine Scipio under a certain degree, even he can be useful when used properly. But neither of them will meet all demands. I continue to insist - the best cavalry general is the one made with our own hands! The same is true about Infantry and Archers, though I'll wait for the update to give the skills (besides March) to my Commander to make final decision Wise move |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jul 18, 2019 12:00:27 GMT
I'll wait for the update to give the skills (besides March) to my Commander to make final decision Wise move I’ll just restart if I make dumb decisions 😂 |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jul 18, 2019 12:01:06 GMT
This is my final build probably for him. Might change Pompei Gladius for Laurell Crown later. But he works quite well already Thats a really good build. Nice. |
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Arminius is the first Cav I bought and I have all 3 of them now.
