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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jan 28, 2020 17:43:08 GMT
I know that you guys love Jungle and Mountain Fighting, but when I look at Boroevic, I think “No way! This guy needs FOUR skills to be replaced!” because I find those two terrain bonuses alongside Formation Master and Battle Array useless. Formation Master is tolerable, though, just because it gives you a false sense of usefulness. Borevic is super fast on new infantry so finding mountains, jungles, or combined is not that much of a pain. Occassionally he’ll won’t have a terrain bonus active, but that is uncommon. Formation master is rly good. Look at suvorov, karl, massena, and washington from ew6. All of the crit all the time, and for massive damage. Increasing how often critical hits happen is amazing. Tactics Master is also rly good. You only really have to change battle array to assualt in order for him to be op. If non plain tiles are very annoying for you, then by all means get someone like haig, bismarck, or robert e lee. But from using boreovic personally, he is both a general that is very fun to use, and a good one to give the mountain fighting bonus too as he has a very unique skill set. Everyone but him and jackson on my team is a plain fighter so his versatility is very helpful. |
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Post by SolidLight on Jan 28, 2020 18:19:21 GMT
I know that you guys love Jungle and Mountain Fighting, but when I look at Boroevic, I think “No way! This guy needs FOUR skills to be replaced!” because I find those two terrain bonuses alongside Formation Master and Battle Array useless. Formation Master is tolerable, though, just because it gives you a false sense of usefulness. Borevic is super fast on new infantry so finding mountains, jungles, or combined is not that much of a pain. Occassionally he’ll won’t have a terrain bonus active, but that is uncommon. Formation master is rly good. Look at suvorov, karl, massena, and washington from ew6. All of the crit all the time, and for massive damage. Increasing how often critical hits happen is amazing. Tactics Master is also rly good. You only really have to change battle array to assualt in order for him to be op. If non plain tiles are very annoying for you, then by all means get someone like haig, bismarck, or robert e lee. But from using boreovic personally, he is both a general that is very fun to use, and a good one to give the mountain fighting bonus too as he has a very unique skill set. Everyone but him and jackson on my team is a plain fighter so his versatility is very helpful. I don’t know if crit skills increase crit chance at all. And even if it was a crit chance up AND a crit damage up by 10% I’d estimate that to be ~4,5% damage increase. Also those people crit hard because their base damage is higher than most other infantry generals. I remember my Blucher/Murat crit for 300+ against militia with one aura when Ney never did, because his damage was just lower. Tactic Master is actually good since it’s slightly less than 20% damage increase on average and also because it’s an extra action, which meant that you could do things like hit another target or move after attacking (if you didn’t move already) |
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Post by Gone on Jan 28, 2020 18:40:43 GMT
Borevic is super fast on new infantry so finding mountains, jungles, or combined is not that much of a pain. Occassionally he’ll won’t have a terrain bonus active, but that is uncommon. Formation master is rly good. Look at suvorov, karl, massena, and washington from ew6. All of the crit all the time, and for massive damage. Increasing how often critical hits happen is amazing. Tactics Master is also rly good. You only really have to change battle array to assualt in order for him to be op. If non plain tiles are very annoying for you, then by all means get someone like haig, bismarck, or robert e lee. But from using boreovic personally, he is both a general that is very fun to use, and a good one to give the mountain fighting bonus too as he has a very unique skill set. Everyone but him and jackson on my team is a plain fighter so his versatility is very helpful. I don’t know if crit skills increase crit chance at all. And even if it was a crit chance up AND a crit damage up by 10% I’d estimate that to be ~4,5% damage increase. Also those people crit hard because their base damage is higher than most other infantry generals. I remember my Blucher/Murat crit for 300+ against militia with one aura when Ney never did, because his damage was just lower. Tactic Master is actually good since it’s slightly less than 20% damage increase on average and also because it’s an extra action, which meant that you could do things like hit another target or move after attacking (if you didn’t move already) Or capture a city when normally you wouldn’t be able to. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jan 28, 2020 21:08:09 GMT
Yes murat and blucher crit hard. But they crit very rarely. I believe it is a 3% chance for w./o formation master vs 13% w. formation master.
And this skill is good against every unit type, unlike intercept. While I agree haig is easier to use, borojevic offensively is better in my opinion, hence why I got him.
But if you like haig who will have the same skill set except with ambush, pf, street fighting vs formation master, mf, jf after textbook investment, by all means get him.
I chose borejevic cuz he only needs one skill changed while haig two
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Post by Gone on Jan 28, 2020 21:33:32 GMT
Yes murat and blucher crit hard. But they crit very rarely. I believe it is a 3% chance for w./o formation master vs 13% w. formation master. And this skill is good against every unit type, unlike intercept. While I agree haig is easier to use, borojevic offensively is better in my opinion, hence why I got him. But if you like haig who will have the same skill set except with ambush, pf, street fighting vs formation master, mf, jf after textbook investment, by all means get him. I chose borejevic cuz he only needs one skill changed while haig two Depends. I look at Boroevic and think: What a mess. I think at Haig and think: Alright, adjust those skills and he is amazing. |
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Post by SolidLight on Jan 28, 2020 21:42:19 GMT
Yes murat and blucher crit hard. But they crit very rarely. I believe it is a 3% chance for w./o formation master vs 13% w. formation master. And this skill is good against every unit type, unlike intercept. While I agree haig is easier to use, borojevic offensively is better in my opinion, hence why I got him. But if you like haig who will have the same skill set except with ambush, pf, street fighting vs formation master, mf, jf after textbook investment, by all means get him. I chose borejevic cuz he only needs one skill changed while haig two 3%? kanue pls. |
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Post by kanue on Jan 29, 2020 9:26:33 GMT
Yes murat and blucher crit hard. But they crit very rarely. I believe it is a 3% chance for w./o formation master vs 13% w. formation master. And this skill is good against every unit type, unlike intercept. While I agree haig is easier to use, borojevic offensively is better in my opinion, hence why I got him. But if you like haig who will have the same skill set except with ambush, pf, street fighting vs formation master, mf, jf after textbook investment, by all means get him. I chose borejevic cuz he only needs one skill changed while haig two 3%? kanue pls. I have no idea about the chance. The only thing I know is that the multiplier is 1.35 in 1806. But let's assume that the chance is 3% then the expected output will be 0.97*1 + 0.03*1.35 = 1.0105 (w/o formation master) and 0.87*1 + 0.13*1.35 = 1.0455 (w formation master). So that's only a 1.0455/1.0105 - 1 = 3.46% increase in overall dmg. The additional damage would be even smaller then this if the base crit chance is >3%. It is underwhelming, imo. But I saw quite impressively big number for crit in 1914 (unless that was my imagination), I think ET might buff the crit multiplier. Though, that's purely my speculation. But even if we assume that the new the crit multiplier is 1.5x and chance is 5%, the outcome would be 0.95*1 + 0.05*1.5 = 1.025 (w/o +crit% skill) and 0.085*1 + 0.15*1.5 = 1.075 (w +crit% skill). Despite these optimistic assumptions, that only adds 1.075/1.025 - 1 = 4.88% overall damage (did I also mention that the bonus dmg is not quite reliable because the proc rate is low). Imo, these are just OK skills (nice to have) but I rather go for other skills like Pierce, Terrain, or Surprise Atk. Anyway, since we have a lot of general slot and resources, I plan to create one crit oriented general (probably for fun) with a combination of +crit% skill, rage skill, and +crit dmg (from Chapter 5 challenge) item. Btw, Rage skill is buffed and now the threshold is 65% HP. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jan 29, 2020 11:37:12 GMT
^ why is he the one you guys refer to whenever we touch the topic of statistics :DD
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Post by SolidLight on Jan 29, 2020 11:40:18 GMT
^ why is he the one you guys refer to whenever we touch the topic of statistics :DD Cuz he’s the one who knows about how things work in 1804 and how skills work in 1804 is about the best we can use to evaluate skill quality until someone datamines the game and reveals all the details. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jan 29, 2020 11:44:37 GMT
^ why is he the one you guys refer to whenever we touch the topic of statistics :DD Cuz he’s the one who knows about how things work in 1804 and how skills work in 1804 is about the best we can use to evaluate skill quality until someone datamines the game and reveals all the details. ah well I guess we can grant him the title of the data analytics expert in ew6  |
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Post by kanue on Jan 29, 2020 15:58:26 GMT
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Post by Svetozar Boroević von Bojna on Jan 30, 2020 2:29:58 GMT
I list the 11 generals that may be added. I already have hipper and vorbeck. I am still looking for the other one, so if one has been found, take a picture and tell me what his highest rank is (king, emperor etc.) I think all of them only reach king Herbert Plumer can be seen in the Spring Offensive in a tank going for Berlin Roger Keyes is at the canal in the Battle of Hegoland Bight (German) Beseler is at the Siege of Antwerp Henri Gourand is at the Batle of Amiens Challenge, in the bottom left city Straubenburg is at the Battle of the Piave River, in the north of Hotzendorf Denta is at the Battle of Marasti Rennenkampf is at the Battle of Stalluponen, to the east of von Francois Rawlinson is at the Battle of St. Quentin Canal I have no idea where is the Greek general though |
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Post by Seger on Jan 30, 2020 9:31:40 GMT
I list the 11 generals that may be added. I already have hipper and vorbeck. I am still looking for the other one, so if one has been found, take a picture and tell me what his highest rank is (king, emperor etc.) I think all of them only reach king Herbert Plumer can be seen in the Spring Offensive in a tank going for Berlin Roger Keyes is at the canal in the Battle of Hegoland Bight (German) Beseler is at the Siege of Antwerp Henri Gourand is at the Batle of Amiens Challenge, in the bottom left city Straubenburg is at the Battle of the Piave River, in the north of Hotzendorf Denta is at the Battle of Marasti Rennenkampf is at the Battle of Stalluponen, to the east of von Francois Rawlinson is at the Battle of St. Quentin Canal I have no idea where is the Greek general though thanks I've added the ones I could, could you sent pictures of the missing generals in this format?   |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jan 30, 2020 10:50:43 GMT
5% extra damage pretty solid on infantry though. Infantry master does in fact add 5% damage. I am not going to add intercept because my other two infantry generals have that skill and fighting on cavarly on mountain’s is pretty uncommon. What other skill should replace formation master for borojevic
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Post by Pietro Badoglio on Jan 31, 2020 1:57:17 GMT
You can add Infantry Commander or Defense Formation if you don't already have a general for that purpose. Pierce can also be pretty good
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