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Post by ambitiousace on Apr 23, 2020 0:25:49 GMT
Depends on their tiers.Kill spams are worth it too esp for your calvary hard hitter
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Post by ambitiousace on Apr 23, 2020 0:26:51 GMT
Oof that's for rank.Nobility is by capturing enemy's capitals and farms.Like in Chain The Beast.
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Post by Darth Vader on Apr 23, 2020 3:18:56 GMT
Happy Earth day comrades, and i think crown needs to give you more then 10+ health and give 10% health.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Apr 23, 2020 4:33:29 GMT
Charles is definitely not better than Junot unless you're not regrouping at all. But who will consider those two instead of Dumouriez if you aren't going for an all tier 1 lineup? Same with Nobunaga Oda , Arnold deserves more recognition. You'll need at least 670 medals to give Isabella 5* trading, and that won't help you in combat. But Arnold can do the trading and provide some support in dealing damage for 135 less. Btw Lan has 4* trading. I still feel like Davout is not that friendly to beginners because his output is not that consistent comparing to those with Accurate and Strike. I agree about arnold. He is way better than blasius. 5 stars trading and good fortress damage is a great package early on. Plus he is a business trader so he easily earns back his medals. Charles is pretty good as a beginner general (if you can’t find anything better). I do agree, bugle is better than siege, and about equal to siege + formation. So they are around equals. Obviously when attacking cities, charles will be junot + formation. Which is a huge difference. Both are great. Dumuoriez maybe not be around for a newbie, unless you delete then redownload the game till he is at first spin. I am going off of that logic. I bought kienmayer as my first general, I wish I got junot. Davout’s output is a little inconsistent i do agree. But he is faster than anyone out of the iaps. He also can hit very very hard, outputs that radetsky can’t ever get close to. Only person in the iap tier worth comparing to davout is nelson due to having accurate plus leadership. And also 5 stars in navy. But with nelson, even though he is great, the lack of geography will make princess getting a significantly more pain. And also since you do get 2 artillery generals princess generals that are amazing, it is better to get an op cav general from the iap tier. This leads to few options, as many of the iap cavarly generals are bad. There is murat, who lacks geography, lacks strike, but is great against forts. Davout who has geography rather than spy (which i think is a superior skill). Then there is dombrowski who is golisyn with 3 extra training stars and defense art as the notable change. But defense art does not help that much when attacking and also murat and davout have similar training stars. The last notable choice is poniatowski, who has pretty great qualities. But imo davout’s output is just plain better than poniatowski which is why he is a better choice. Dombrowski will be a slight upgrade to golisyn but will be the least difficult to use of the bunch. So really, its Dombrowski vs Murat vs Davout. Davout has geography so he wins. I see. On Charles vs Junot, I thought you were comparing them in terms of creating an all tier-1 lineup, which Junot is plain better than Charles in clearing enemies outside of cities (most of them). If you are talking about early game then yes Charles definitely. At least I cannot tolerate Junot's 0* movement. Speaking of that, I'd suggest putting Quosdanovih and Diez on your radar. Both suck in terms of damage when compared to Dumouriez, Charles, etc. but at least they have ok movement + cavalry stars and are both trainers. Well yeah if you don't keep reinstalling then getting a decent beginning general sometimes will be a pain. I somehow always get lucky in the first few refreshes so I wasn't really thinking about it. My problem. If you are talking about a cavalry op in early game... Mr. No need to regroup? lol Based on my experiment, Sophia always takes one more turn than Isabela (both not regrouped in movement, no item) to get to Barcelona on that light cav at Weilburg, 1798 HRE. But if I feel like taking Lyon on the way there then it will be the same, and we both know Davout has the lowest average output out of the 3 you mentioned without regrouping. And for my 1775 US conquest, you can even do it with 0 general and be perfectly fine, except it will be harder to fight Spain. As for campaigns... in my memory I rarely needed my cavalry general to maneuver over a relatively long distance within a single turn, so Dumouriez with 2* movement was fast enough for me. So I would say Davout's cavalry aspect is not necessarily THAT outstanding at the very beginning of the game. I admit his uniqueness on artillery though. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 23, 2020 13:07:09 GMT
I agree about arnold. He is way better than blasius. 5 stars trading and good fortress damage is a great package early on. Plus he is a business trader so he easily earns back his medals. Charles is pretty good as a beginner general (if you can’t find anything better). I do agree, bugle is better than siege, and about equal to siege + formation. So they are around equals. Obviously when attacking cities, charles will be junot + formation. Which is a huge difference. Both are great. Dumuoriez maybe not be around for a newbie, unless you delete then redownload the game till he is at first spin. I am going off of that logic. I bought kienmayer as my first general, I wish I got junot. Davout’s output is a little inconsistent i do agree. But he is faster than anyone out of the iaps. He also can hit very very hard, outputs that radetsky can’t ever get close to. Only person in the iap tier worth comparing to davout is nelson due to having accurate plus leadership. And also 5 stars in navy. But with nelson, even though he is great, the lack of geography will make princess getting a significantly more pain. And also since you do get 2 artillery generals princess generals that are amazing, it is better to get an op cav general from the iap tier. This leads to few options, as many of the iap cavarly generals are bad. There is murat, who lacks geography, lacks strike, but is great against forts. Davout who has geography rather than spy (which i think is a superior skill). Then there is dombrowski who is golisyn with 3 extra training stars and defense art as the notable change. But defense art does not help that much when attacking and also murat and davout have similar training stars. The last notable choice is poniatowski, who has pretty great qualities. But imo davout’s output is just plain better than poniatowski which is why he is a better choice. Dombrowski will be a slight upgrade to golisyn but will be the least difficult to use of the bunch. So really, its Dombrowski vs Murat vs Davout. Davout has geography so he wins. I see. On Charles vs Junot, I thought you were comparing them in terms of creating an all tier-1 lineup, which Junot is plain better than Charles in clearing enemies outside of cities (most of them). If you are talking about early game then yes Charles definitely. At least I cannot tolerate Junot's 0* movement. Speaking of that, I'd suggest putting Quosdanovih and Diez on your radar. Both suck in terms of damage when compared to Dumouriez, Charles, etc. but at least they have ok movement + cavalry stars and are both trainers. Well yeah if you don't keep reinstalling then getting a decent beginning general sometimes will be a pain. I somehow always get lucky in the first few refreshes so I wasn't really thinking about it. My problem. If you are talking about a cavalry op in early game... Mr. No need to regroup? lol Based on my experiment, Sophia always takes one more turn than Isabela (both not regrouped in movement, no item) to get to Barcelona on that light cav at Weilburg, 1798 HRE. But if I feel like taking Lyon on the way there then it will be the same, and we both know Davout has the lowest average output out of the 3 you mentioned without regrouping. And for my 1775 US conquest, you can even do it with 0 general and be perfectly fine, except it will be harder to fight Spain. As for campaigns... in my memory I rarely needed my cavalry general to maneuver over a relatively long distance within a single turn, so Dumouriez with 2* movement was fast enough for me. So I would say Davout's cavalry aspect is not necessarily THAT outstanding at the very beginning of the game. I admit his uniqueness on artillery though. He is the only iap cavarly general with geography, so you kind of have a berthier lite when you use him, except with assualt art instead of strike. Now radetsky does start with 4 training stars, same movement, and 4 trading stars, so he also is not bad at helping with obtaining the princesses so i do see your point. On artillery, the best iap is hands down Nelson (as Moreau is pretty subpar). But I still feel as though Davout can affectively multitask. For instance, if you need a fast cavarly general (Sardinia 1815), you can always rely on davout as there are tons and tons of desert tiles in Algeria. I was going of the logic that as you only have access to one war horse early on, you probably want to give it to Sophia. Other iaps can be also fantastic for grabbing princesses, but Davout’s movement is easily the best out of all of them. You need a strong artillery general? Davout’s is available. While he can be a bit inconsistent when it comes to output, he is definitely far from a bad general. Although I do agree, surprise/explosive are only really stand out when paired with bugle or assualt art. So Poniatowski can really do what davout does while also being a fantastic naval general and having leadership. Still i do feel as Davout’s output difference over poniatowski is quite significant nevertheless. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 23, 2020 13:26:33 GMT
Poniatowski has been curved to pink. I feel like if buying a single iap, he has a lot of potential as he is equally good on land and naval units. Plus as he has leadership, he will still be very tough regardless of what unit placed on. Imo even though dabrowski is the strongest cavarly that costs 6 emblems, Poniatowski will be a much more capable iap in the long run due to his versatility.
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 23, 2020 14:00:20 GMT
Poniatowski has been curved to pink. I feel like if buying a single iap, he has a lot of potential as he is equally good on land and naval units. Plus as he has leadership, he will still be very tough regardless of what unit placed on. Imo even though dabrowski is the strongest cavarly that costs 6 emblems, Poniatowski will be a much more capable iap in the long run due to his versatility. It depends on what you want. Dom is a strong cavalry out of the box. For the last cav* and 2 more move you can take your time. Pon needs a lot of upgrades to be really strong on all units. Depending on his starting stars I would preferable use him for inf and cav when he’s new. Steadily upgraded, in endgame he will become the Swiss Army knife he’s made for. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 23, 2020 14:05:05 GMT
Poniatowski has been curved to pink. I feel like if buying a single iap, he has a lot of potential as he is equally good on land and naval units. Plus as he has leadership, he will still be very tough regardless of what unit placed on. Imo even though dabrowski is the strongest cavarly that costs 6 emblems, Poniatowski will be a much more capable iap in the long run due to his versatility. It depends on what you want. Dom is a strong cavalry out of the box. For the last cav* and 2 more move you can take your time. Pon needs a lot of upgrades to be really strong on all units. Depending on his starting stars I would preferable use him for inf and cav when he’s new. Steadily upgraded, in endgame he will become the Swiss Army knife he’s made for. Well said. As Sophia is really easy to get, yet a good cavarly is either expensive or hard to get (sakurako) early on. |
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 23, 2020 14:10:29 GMT
It depends on what you want. Dom is a strong cavalry out of the box. For the last cav* and 2 more move you can take your time. Pon needs a lot of upgrades to be really strong on all units. Depending on his starting stars I would preferable use him for inf and cav when he’s new. Steadily upgraded, in endgame he will become the Swiss Army knife he’s made for. Well said. As Sophia is really easy to get, yet a good cavarly is either expensive or hard to get (sakurako) early on. Lannes is comparable to Pon. He can be fairly good on almost every unit, too. Nevertheless, for economic reasons I only upgraded cav and move. I don’t need him on art and navy. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 23, 2020 14:16:25 GMT
Well said. As Sophia is really easy to get, yet a good cavarly is either expensive or hard to get (sakurako) early on. Lannes is comparable to Pon. He can be fairly good on almost every unit, too. Nevertheless, for economic reasons I only upgraded cav and move. I don’t need him on art and navy. Lannes does start off with mass fire which makes him a very convenient general. But I do feel as though Lannes is strongest on infantry which is were i typically used him the most. |
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Post by Marshal Forwards on Apr 23, 2020 14:34:11 GMT
Lannes is comparable to Pon. He can be fairly good on almost every unit, too. Nevertheless, for economic reasons I only upgraded cav and move. I don’t need him on art and navy. Lannes does start off with mass fire which makes him a very convenient general. But I do feel as though Lannes is strongest on infantry which is were i typically used him the most. Of course he’s best as inf. Mass fire is one of the best unit specific skills in game.and the difference to Pon. Nevertheless there are missions where I need another cav more and profit from his other 3universal skills. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 23, 2020 16:02:00 GMT
Lannes does start off with mass fire which makes him a very convenient general. But I do feel as though Lannes is strongest on infantry which is were i typically used him the most. Of course he’s best as inf. Mass fire is one of the best unit specific skills in game.and the difference to Pon. Nevertheless there are missions where I need another cav more and profit from his other 3universal skills. I do agree. Lannes is very good, hence why he is blue. |
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Post by Darth Vader on Apr 23, 2020 16:52:35 GMT
O yes Lannes, I remember fighting him in ew4 in the Spanish campaign, but he also died in Austria in 1809, he was one of Napoleon's best generals and worthy freind of the emperor.
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 23, 2020 18:23:19 GMT
O yes Lannes, I remember fighting him in ew4 in the Spanish campaign, but he also died in Austria in 1809, he was one of Napoleon's best generals and worthy freind of the emperor. Fighting lannes in the battle of austerlitz is painful, especially considering he has a moral buff there. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 23, 2020 18:27:57 GMT
As for Wellesley I feel that he is good but washington has better stars and mass fire is better for me than bugle. He is still quite great as leadership is fantastic, 4 trading stars and 3 training stars is still awesome, and bugle makes his output reasonably high at all times.
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