All generals ranked EW4

The main argument against davout I see is the fact that he lacks strike, making him mediocre. Imo that is a bit unfair, as there are many many generals that can be good without bugle type skills. Dumouriez is a fan favorite starting cavarly general who lacks strike. Lusignan also has mass fire and nothing else. Marmont. Even Raevsky lacks strike and he is definitely an underrated general.
While strike is a good skill, a general with strike and nothing else can be at most slightly above average as we see with sakurako. Sakurako stands out due to her movement and training stars more than due to her bugle, strike, accurate skill set.


As for geography, both of the war horses, which are 700 medals each, will go to the princesses. On to lan, the other two sophia. A general without geography can move pretty fast if given 5 stars movement and then an item like the saddle after. But that will easily get tedious and expensive. Furthermore, not having geography will sometimes cripple the movement in one direction, taking away up to 2 or 3 hexes of movement. This can be quite a pain. I’ll post a screenshot comparing davout and sophia with the same movement. And the only cavarly general with geography is berthier who if you want to farm 5000 medals for, be my guest. But that is too big of a gap for most people. Especially considering how tedious Diez is.



While art is a skill that cannot be trusted to trigger everytime, it still happens quite frequently. If you get davout to max morale and the flank a strong general like napoleon, davout’s assualt art will most likely trigger, and napoleon will lose almost a 100 hp. If you help davout by flanking other units, he will have great damage. Lastly, at low healths, assualt art doesn’t help at all. I definitely agree. But as Davout is cavarly, giving him a snair drum is not that big of a sacrifice. After Davout helped me in obtaining all of the princesses, I use him mainly as an artillery general.

Very vital for princess runs since every move and hit weights

I see. + 10 move from a general is overkill imo. If you have geography, you just need the general to have 4 movement stars and you won’t have to bother with movement items. Because 4 hex movement on cavarly, or 3 on artillery, is pretty sufficient.


I think I will have to stop arguing on Davout’s sake. He is really a personal preference general. For me personally, I like him as he is perfect for obtaining the princesses quickly. Afterwards, he is still a pretty great general on your team. If you want a siege focused iap, the only real option is either kutuzov, who is only passable on infantry and navy (unless you want a general who has only siege and defense art on cavarly, which is pretty meh). Otherwise, Sophia and Ney do have siege, and they also have spy (Sophia also has explosives for hammering cities). But Davout can get from city to city much faster, and he still has assualt art which when it triggers, can do great damage on city garrison than someone with even siege can do.

As for who is worse, Lassalle, Moreau, or Suvorov. I think the ranking goes Suvorov >>>> Moreau > Lasalle


Lassslle is just Golitsyn with two extra movement stars. Give golitsyn a horse shoe and he will have the same movement as lassalle starting out. Buying Lassalle is a very bad purchase, especially considering Dabrowski exists. 1 training stars is very very bad, and absolutely destroys what usefulness Lassalle may have offered to your team.


Moreau is also absolutely terrible. Scharnhorst with an oak wheel is a slightly weaker Moreau with an extra training star. Moreau starting out has pretty weak stars. His 4 stars in infantry we will never use as he has no infantry skills. His movement at 2 stars is passable as he has engineering, but for an iap, its pretty bad considering nelson has equivalent starting movement. Furthermore, 2 training stars, while an improvement on Golitsyn, is still awful.



Suvorov is definitely the best. For one, he has mass fire on both, meaning his damage will always be reasonably high (not very high even though his skills look pretty, you will rarely break 60 damage on guards). Furthermore, he also has 5 training stars. Training stars cannot be improved whatsover, so starting with 5 training stars is amazing. And his middle tier replacement, Dobeln also has no training stars at all.



So to summarize, the replacements for Suvorov is actually significantly worse than Suvorov himself. Dobeln has 0 training stars while Suvorov has 5. He also has formation on dobeln. On the otherhand, despite Moreau also having explosives on Scharnhorst, the only other advantage that Moreau has over Scharhorst is the extra 1 star in movement, which is fixable with an item that costs less than 200 medals with a 5 star trainer. Otherwise, Moreau’s stars are equivalent to Scharnhorsy, with the exception of having one less training stars. Lassalle is essentially identical to Golitsyn, but with two extra movement stars. So he is the biggest waste.



Suvorov is still pretty far from a good iap due to lacking leadership. But he has some appreciable qualities.

He won't deal much damage to a garrison!

That's my point: When Assault Art triggers he will deal the maximum damage he randomly can get from this fight. On a capital with -20% this is not many for him. Everyone with only SM can hit harder. If he is flanked from a envased point (trenched, city, forest etc.) point he can't defend himself.

His speed can be nice - with two saddle or two horse artillery he's direct on +7 move perfect ! - so Dietz is probably more expensive than buying him all the Items - but on a cost in any case.
More than +7 are only needed if you want to see him moving 6hex on light or heavy cavalry and 5hex on light artillery - if it's worth another 1000 - but this must be the plan why else you want him?

OK - (it was just the garrison I took for argument) 6%-12% are usual and he has explosives/strike does it compare this?

But cities are the smaller problem:

Outside trees cause C-10% A-5% or C-20% A-10% hills reverse C-5% A-10% or C-10% A-20% trench adds 25 percent points a bunker 30 pp - less then half the map is without envasion - even 20% or more are not rare!

For geography - yes for a starter geography will be really handy as long as you don't have a war horse (and first you need a snare!) - extremly valuable - I've just seen the mid-long term costs - not the immediate benefits at start - this point is already yours.

Geography is very important to me I use it in almost every strategy game I play, for example Wc3,Wc4 European war 4 and more. I also like Jolly Pixel games like Pixel Soldiers the great war. 

My perfect infantry general would have Economic Master, Assault art, Massfire, And Leadership.