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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jun 7, 2020 19:09:31 GMT
Well maybe not 1500 medals but 2700 medals. Because it’s the difference between not spending money and spending money so it’s a huge difference.
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Jun 7, 2020 20:26:05 GMT
A lot of users on this forum do especially like Lassalle as an iap. But would you buy him for 1500 medals if he was free? Probably not. Golitsyn will simply do and we just have no need whatsover of a second Golitsyn. Not to mention that Golitsyn is pretty weak without a snair drum due to his lack of training stars. Imo Lassalle deserves orange rank for me personally as he really does not offer that much to my play style. I will say this though, he is convenient. But Dabrowski is a night and day difference between Lassalle, and Murat is slightly better too. This is your ranking and I really like your evaluations. I just noticed him in the campaign and thought wow- all three cavalry skills (+sailor) and all stars! No regroup- this maybe makes sense as IAP - and was amazed that I missed it again. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jun 7, 2020 20:32:24 GMT
A lot of users on this forum do especially like Lassalle as an iap. But would you buy him for 1500 medals if he was free? Probably not. Golitsyn will simply do and we just have no need whatsover of a second Golitsyn. Not to mention that Golitsyn is pretty weak without a snair drum due to his lack of training stars. Imo Lassalle deserves orange rank for me personally as he really does not offer that much to my play style. I will say this though, he is convenient. But Dabrowski is a night and day difference between Lassalle, and Murat is slightly better too. This is your ranking and I really like your evaluations. I just noticed him in the campaign and thought wow- all three cavalry skills (+sailor) and all stars! No regroup- this maybe makes sense as IAP - and was amazed that I missed it again. I would consider Massena before Lasalle. Massena has far less movement, but 5 training stars on a cavarly general is absolutely awesome, and he overall has a pretty great skill combination of war master, surprise, and leadership making him a tough meatshield with spikes. |
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Post by Darth Vader on Jun 7, 2020 20:42:50 GMT
This is your ranking and I really like your evaluations. I just noticed him in the campaign and thought wow- all three cavalry skills (+sailor) and all stars! No regroup- this maybe makes sense as IAP - and was amazed that I missed it again. I would consider Massena before Lasalle. Massena has far less movement, but 5 training stars on a cavarly general is absolutely awesome, and he overall has a pretty great skill combination of war master, surprise, and leadership making him a tough meatshield with spikes. I consider both to be kinda equal. Lalasse has 3 great Calvary skills and good speed. While Mansena as you said has leadership and good stats. There both equal but due to Mansena having Leadership and Lessile having salior, Mansena Is a little better. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jun 7, 2020 22:12:19 GMT
I would consider Massena before Lasalle. Massena has far less movement, but 5 training stars on a cavarly general is absolutely awesome, and he overall has a pretty great skill combination of war master, surprise, and leadership making him a tough meatshield with spikes. I consider both to be kinda equal. Lalasse has 3 great Calvary skills and good speed. While Mansena as you said has leadership and good stats. There both equal but due to Mansena having Leadership and Lessile having salior, Mansena Is a little better. Mobility = 0. Lasalle only has 2 good skills. |
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Post by junius on Jun 7, 2020 22:23:23 GMT
 Scharnhorst
Price: 3 Emblems or 795 Medals Type of General: Artillery Starting Movement: 3 hex on Rockets and Light Artillery, 2 Hex on Siege and Heavy Artillery Starting Movement after Oak Wheel: 3 hexes on everything Scharnhorst is quite possibly the best price performing general in the game. Not only will he be fast after you give him an oak wheel, his output will be extremely consistent due to accurate. His stars are fantastic, especially his awesome 3 training stars. As he is a trainer, you only really waste 360 medals buying him (Kutaisov is 430 medals and the cheapest trainer). Absolutely fantastic general to purchase. There are not other artillery generals close to as good that are not iaps or princesses. My main problem with Scharnhorst (and all non-princess Artillery generals) is that Sophia is free and easy to win, while Isabella is free. A third artillery general is probably OP, and Kutaisov is both a trainer and good enough to roll around as your No.2 artillery general while you gun for Isabella. |
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Post by Darth Vader on Jun 7, 2020 22:25:36 GMT
Erich von Manstein,Guess I moded Ew4 to much then. Anyway you are right Massna is a great Calvary general there is just a problem with skill selection. In ew6 a general is usually given 1 unit that they are great at, while in ew4 the skills are kinda random. Like I see generals with calvery skills that are Terrible at calvery and good at infantry.
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Post by Darth Vader on Jun 7, 2020 22:36:28 GMT
Scharnhorst
Price: 3 Emblems or 795 Medals Type of General: Artillery Starting Movement: 3 hex on Rockets and Light Artillery, 2 Hex on Siege and Heavy Artillery Starting Movement after Oak Wheel: 3 hexes on everything Scharnhorst is quite possibly the best price performing general in the game. Not only will he be fast after you give him an oak wheel, his output will be extremely consistent due to accurate. His stars are fantastic, especially his awesome 3 training stars. As he is a trainer, you only really waste 360 medals buying him (Kutaisov is 430 medals and the cheapest trainer). Absolutely fantastic general to purchase. There are not other artillery generals close to as good that are not iaps or princesses. My main problem with Scharnhorst (and all non-princess Artillery generals) is that Sophia is free and easy to win, while Isabella is free. A third artillery general is probably OP, and Kutaisov is both a trainer and good enough to roll around as your No.2 artillery general's while you gun for Isabella. He is pretty powerful in the 1806 conquest when you play as the Rhine. He has two great Artillery stats which I find are great there is just two problems I have with him. He has 1 mobility and has the training skill. The training skill I believe should only be used for low their generals. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jun 8, 2020 16:44:32 GMT
Scharnhorst
Price: 3 Emblems or 795 Medals Type of General: Artillery Starting Movement: 3 hex on Rockets and Light Artillery, 2 Hex on Siege and Heavy Artillery Starting Movement after Oak Wheel: 3 hexes on everything Scharnhorst is quite possibly the best price performing general in the game. Not only will he be fast after you give him an oak wheel, his output will be extremely consistent due to accurate. His stars are fantastic, especially his awesome 3 training stars. As he is a trainer, you only really waste 360 medals buying him (Kutaisov is 430 medals and the cheapest trainer). Absolutely fantastic general to purchase. There are not other artillery generals close to as good that are not iaps or princesses. My main problem with Scharnhorst (and all non-princess Artillery generals) is that Sophia is free and easy to win, while Isabella is free. A third artillery general is probably OP, and Kutaisov is both a trainer and good enough to roll around as your No.2 artillery general while you gun for Isabella. You will not have 3 arty's, you will regroup Scharnhorst into either of the princesses Sophia or Isabella. You lose 360 medals in the long run which is chump change. Well firstly, Scharnhorst is also an artillery trainer. So you really lose around 360 medals with purchasing him (790 - 430 = 360). Secondly, with an oak wheel he moves 3 hexes making him extremely fast. The last important criteria to consider is the fact that he has 3 training stars and has consistently good output due to accurate. Even though siege + explosives > accurate, accurate as a standalone skill is still really good. In order to get Kutaisov to 3 hex movement, you need to give him a horse artillery and an oak wheel, which most players don't have lying around. The damage Kutaisov also deals will be slightly higher than Scharnhorst. And if I am not mistaken, a second oak wheel is no easy to find as it is neither in the coalition nor the imperial eagle campaign, and Sophia is also badly in need of one. So imo, Sophia + Oak Wheel, Scharnorst + Horse Artillery, & Fatimah/Sulkowski/Dumouriez/Raevsky is the perfect team to get Isabella. You really won't lose that many medals to make a difference in the long run. So it is safe to assume that Scharnhorst can move 150% as fast as Kutaisov, that combined with his 3 training stars makes him a pretty good deal. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jun 9, 2020 13:10:46 GMT
 Gravina Price: 3 Emblems or 755 Medals Type of General: Navy Starting Movement: 3 hexes on frigates, on battleships and ironclads A navy trainer that is actually good. That's a first. Gravina is ok, but I don't recommend buying him. He is Duckwood without siege in combat, which makes a significant difference when attacking into ports or cities, but not so much for navy on navy battles. Not much else to say. He'll get the job done but if you really need I naval general, I would wait for Kait as she is much better. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jun 9, 2020 13:19:23 GMT
 BernadottePrice: 3 Emblems or 875 Medals Type of General: Infantry Econ Starting Movement: 3 hexes on light infantry, 2 on everything else. Starting Movement after Oak Wheel: 3 hexes on everything Bernadotte is like a slightly better Eugene. Econ Expert and an extra training star won't make much of a difference over Eugene as Eugene is a trade general. But where Bernadotte really shines is that he is also a buisiness trainor. Overall, if you are going to by either of the two, Bernadotte is a marginally better deal. But for me personally, go with Arnold as he is 300 medals less and offers similar qualities, with the main hit being moving 1 hex slower on light infantry. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jun 9, 2020 14:31:47 GMT
After Sebastani the rest of the middle tier generals become absolutely irredeemably terrible. The rest of the generals are a good combination of expensive, weak, and replaceable. The better of the remaining generals is actually Surerier who costs between Dobeln and Oudinot, but is significantly worse than either of the two. Other good shining examples are Drout and Lefebvre. Lefebvre costs 200 medals more than Zakrevsky, yet has the same combat capabilities and Is also not a trainer. Drout is also 200 medals more than Kutaisov, but actually ends up being worse by a pretty large margin. He loses siege and explosives for engineering and ballistics, in the end having the same movement but much crappier output. In the end, everyone who remains is a horrendous purchase.
I mean will they be usable? Yes. Can they even be good? Yes, too an extent. But are there better options? Absolutely
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Post by Darth Vader on Jun 9, 2020 19:59:53 GMT
It is the General's that make ew4 the game that it is. I love the conquest slightly more because the amount of time you get and that Generals are not technically needed. The princess are quite powerfull if have enough train stats and most are easy to obtain.
Off topic: I am now able to use hex editor so I can make map changes!
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Post by littlecorporal on Jun 10, 2020 0:44:07 GMT
@fried rice
Hood/ Duckworth/ Collingwood are all artillery and naval generals. I play with 11 slots, so I am happy to have a 3rd artillery/ 2nd naval behind the princesses. Which of those 3 would you recommend? I'm not planning on regrouping them.
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jun 10, 2020 3:29:27 GMT
@fried rice Hood/ Duckworth/ Collingwood are all artillery and naval generals. I play with 11 slots, so I am happy to have a 3rd artillery/ 2nd naval behind the princesses. Which of those 3 would you recommend? I'm not planning on regrouping them. I recommend Ushakov. Hood and Duckworth are both green (above average but not worth it) whereas Collingwood is average to me. Ushakov is fast, strong, and most importantly, has a lot of potential to be a great artillery general. I also highly recommend making Sophia a naval general too as her strong output against naval cannons will make her invaluable in the SNS British campaign. Only after those two, Duckworth or Hood is a good idea. But Sophia is them with spy damage wise speaking so she is much better. Also Victoria has 4 stars navy and 2 good skills as well, so make her a naval general too. |
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