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Post by littlecorporal on May 29, 2020 4:43:09 GMT
The common line is:
Fatima isn't a combat general so she isn't that useful, especially as her most useful skill, economic master can be replicated by the Napoleanic Code.
My general approach to the game is to trust the designers to give us all the pieces to the puzzle, so I try my best to see what tools I have and then figure out how they work.
Re: Fatima as the economic general par excellence, you can use whatever medals you would spend on Napoleanic Code to train her in trade, then sit her on a trading city and have all the tools you need to spam your way to victory.
Fatima is also 4 stars on forts. Large forts are the most powerful unit with 300 health, so putting her on a fort with concrete (+2 defense) and a tent to boost healing is an extremely powerful piece. I don't notice any increase in damage from using artillery attack items with her.
The only problem- forts are extremely difficult to be used over the course of a mission or campaign! The only strong candidate is the large fort in Expedition Russia because the Russians are so aggressive.
Putting her on the coastal cannon in the west in Invasion Britain is also a game changer but by round 4 or so shes blown uo most of the British fleet and is then avoided for the rest of the scenario.
Are there other missions where she can wreck havoc on a fort? Is Fatima awesome or not?
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on May 29, 2020 5:13:59 GMT
Fatima is extreme useful in campaign - if you have more than four slots!
Until SNS she is a part of the storyline, you find her unit easy - most times it's a Light Inf 3 Hex distance to the trading post or capital.
Architecture is a very nice skill to kickstart your economy.
On my first play I was so thankful for her work, that after the campain I bought an extra slot for her instead of regrouping.
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Post by littlecorporal on May 29, 2020 5:28:06 GMT
Fatima is extreme useful in campaign - if you have more than four slots! Until SNS she is a part of the storyline, you find her unit easy - most times it's a Light Inf 3 Hex distance to the trading post or capital. Architecture is a very nice skill to kickstart your economy. On my first play I was so thankful for her work, that after the campain I bought an extra slot for her instead of regrouping. You are just a font of wisdom! Thanks again! I've been trying to post here for 2 months but living in China, the great firewall blocks a lot of functions, captcha in my case. |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on May 29, 2020 7:39:49 GMT
I believe Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus really believes in her strength. For the more pragmatic and FTP members, dealing dmg and surviving takes priority over the economy. Similar to what ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ had said and what I believe Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus had experienced, if you have more than 4 slots, you have greater flexibility and can consider a more versatile stable of gens. Having a strong economic gen is good, especially when playing as weak states in Conquest with an extremely weak economy. If you've quite the bulge in your wallet and can spend on both slots and IAP gens, Fatimah's utilitu will then come under threat from rivals like Washington. |
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Post by Darth Vader on May 29, 2020 8:30:02 GMT
I believe Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus really believes in her strength. For the more pragmatic and FTP members, dealing dmg and surviving takes priority over the economy. Similar to what ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ had said and what I believe Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus had experienced, if you have more than 4 slots, you have greater flexibility and can consider a more versatile stable of gens. Having a strong economic gen is good, especially when playing as weak states in Conquest with an extremely weak economy. If you've quite the bulge in your wallet and can spend on both slots and IAP gens, Fatimah's utilitu will then come under threat from rivals like Washington. Why have a elite unit that can be destoryed and you can't replace when you can bulid a economy and more grenadiers. |
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Post by littlecorporal on May 29, 2020 8:44:28 GMT
I believe Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus really believes in her strength. For the more pragmatic and FTP members, dealing dmg and surviving takes priority over the economy. Similar to what ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ had said and what I believe Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus had experienced, if you have more than 4 slots, you have greater flexibility and can consider a more versatile stable of gens. Having a strong economic gen is good, especially when playing as weak states in Conquest with an extremely weak economy. If you've quite the bulge in your wallet and can spend on both slots and IAP gens, Fatimah's utilitu will then come under threat from rivals like Washington. Why have a elite unit that can be destoryed and you can't replace when you can bulid a economy and more grenadiers. Conquests can be so easy that its fun to just have your generals kill everyone. You spend your money on training instead.That works for about 15 or 20 rounds but gets tedious when you have to march from moscow to cairo. |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on May 29, 2020 17:27:58 GMT
I believe Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus really believes in her strength. For the more pragmatic and FTP members, dealing dmg and surviving takes priority over the economy. Similar to what ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ had said and what I believe Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus had experienced, if you have more than 4 slots, you have greater flexibility and can consider a more versatile stable of gens. Having a strong economic gen is good, especially when playing as weak states in Conquest with an extremely weak economy. If you've quite the bulge in your wallet and can spend on both slots and IAP gens, Fatimah's utilitu will then come under threat from rivals like Washington. I have the impression that the economic aspect of the game is completly underestimated. Fatima was a great experience to understand the campaign setup. Her puzzle is normally easy to find: and a lot of missions-paths are built on her skill set - only her economic master with architecture can follow the path - or the primary resources are only with her skills suficcient. Her one moving star brings the Light Inf that is usually exact to the biggest city (or stable to upgrade - and architecture .... Underestimated econ examples: I build in HRE in Round1 an armored car for my cavalry general! You get enough resources at start, ( + 1or2 city upgrades) It can work even with Sophias two trading β - underestimated pissibilities .. Only with a strong! economy Victoria will show up up to Round38 in HRE! (not only up to 31 tbe!) - all elite princess have economic requirements. Now on my second run I just had Arnold as trader to get all the princess - only for Lan's ressources he needed company - the economy potential in EW4 IS completly underestimated - IMO. PS. Slots are a really really good buy! For gaming experience And in the campaign you always can deploy up to six Generals. But IAP gensΒΏ why ?? Btw: How can I recover my IAP slots (I had 3) (My problem: No card for corvi - I can't buy more right now) - and five more girls still waiting. |
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Post by littlecorporal on May 30, 2020 0:51:24 GMT
Trotski, I agree and it is why I sometimes think she is the best general. It often seems like the key to victory in campaigns is being able to effectively build and deploy your resources.
Lan is the best but the difference between her Golitsyin, Dumoriez, Charles is not that big. There are many ways to damage the enemy. The only other general I feel is so indispensable is Sophia on rockets/siege cannon. She consistently goes for 100-200 damage on forts.
But Sophia is only 1 unit. Fatima makes the entire army stronger quickly. Usually you will have more than one of infantry/ cavalry/ artillery generals but only one economic general.
So I think if I had to choose 1 general to win a campaign, I would probably choose Farima.
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on May 30, 2020 10:24:42 GMT
Trotski, I agree and it is why I sometimes think she is the best general. It often seems like the key to victory in campaigns is being able to effectively build and deploy your resources. Lan is the best but the difference between her Golitsyin, Dumoriez, Charles is not that big. There are many ways to damage the enemy. The only other general I feel is so indispensable is Sophia on rockets/siege cannon. She consistently goes for 100-200 damage on forts. But Sophia is only 1 unit. Fatima makes the entire army stronger quickly. Usually you will have more than one of infantry/ cavalry/ artillery generals but only one economic general. So I think if I had to choose 1 general to win a campaign, I would probably choose Farima. Yes, until SNS is Fatima in most missions one of the waklktrough princess - necessary if you want to speedrun the missions. The strongest princess from the scratch is Sakurako, Lan is really great, but she needs trainers to be the monster. Funny effect: On my dream-setup what I have now, LAN has to replace Fatima as my Econ-general - most times on Infantry! Right now she is on cavalry my number 3! (LAN Trade+1,Sak Cav+1,Sop Cav+1) |
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Post by littlecorporal on May 31, 2020 22:52:01 GMT
Arnold's 5 stars in trading is very useful, and then when you get Lan she can immediately replace him regrouping him into her. I did this but now think it was a mistake. I should have regrouped into Fatima twice so she can trade and use economic master.
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Jun 1, 2020 10:29:07 GMT
Arnold's 5 stars in trading is very useful, and then when you get Lan she can immediately replace him regrouping him into her. I did this but now think it was a mistake. I should have regrouped into Fatima twice so she can trade and use economic master. I have the exact the same effect - first I had Arnold for the conquests getting the princesses and when I regrouped my team - Lan got Arnold - not Agha or Quosdanovith - and now I have to use Lan most times on Infantry as eco-general (shes not bad). - If I had more slots I kept Arnold longer. If you use Fatima she needs 2 cheap! business-trainer (Jerome/AugustI). I trained her even on cavalry but this was total unnecessary because in the missions she has always her light infantry. If there is not the Light Inf for her it is a mission without economic factor, or she will be used later not directly from start. Until starting SNS! - I believe this is the point where you normally get Victoria and regroup Fatima to her. I bought Slot 7 to keep Fatima - after all she did! The key for fast missions - I didn't lost one star with her (until SnS) on my fist play. |
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Post by SolidLight on Jun 1, 2020 14:16:50 GMT
Her thing is that she's the only one who has both Economic Master and Architecture. An extremely useful combo when playing as horrible nations like Serbia. Economic Master is easily replicated by Napoleonic Code, so Architecture is the only important skill to think about. (Though having Economic Master does mean that you can use another item, but items aren't super important for an economic general). The only other worthwhile person I can think of who has architecture is Koscziusko, who has defense art instead of Economic Master. Which actually isn't strictly better since he loses some survivability to the Napoleonic code. And survivability shouldn't matter too much on an economic general.
I think you're also mixing up the "trading general" role with the "economic general" role. I don't regard them as the same. Architecture usually gets wasted if you're using your economic general as a trader. And countries that start off with a high tier trading city (Austria) usually don't really need the extra money and have incredibly limited general deployment slots. It's more nations that start off with no money and a lv3 city or something that really need an economic general. You also don't really need to dedicate a general to the trader role. Just give one of your high trade princesses (like Isabela) 5 business stars and the napoleonic code and you're good to go.
Forts are a joke. Yeah I know there's SOME missions where it's useful deploy a general on one, but they just suck too much to even try to build around.
All in all though, I think she's pretty useful, but ONLY if your starting position is absolutely horrible. And I don't really think she's the ideal trade general since she's better off running around upgrading cities.
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Post by SolidLight on Jun 2, 2020 13:29:55 GMT
Actually, Iβm wrong. Donβt use her to run around upgrading cities. Use her to kickstart your only city and hold her there.
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Post by Hannibal Barca on Jun 2, 2020 15:10:19 GMT
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Post by Hannibal Barca on Jun 2, 2020 15:11:27 GMT
Also, who gave that one vote ? I'd like to hear his opinion .
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