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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Dec 10, 2020 3:42:59 GMT
For reference: Rounds and Years - and minimum π§until Round 31 ββ(no change) β31 β900β 7667 β31 β850β 3001 βββββββ β 1716ββ-18Β½ yearsβ β32 β900β 9383β β32 β850β 4717 β33 βββββ 5550 β34 βββββ 6381 β35 βββββ 7214 β36 βββββ 8047 β37 βββββ 8879 β38 β850β 9711β Victoria β38 β800β 5045 β39 βββββ 6876 β40 βββββ 6709 β41 βββββ 7541 β42 βββββ 8374 β43 β800β 9206β β44 β750β 5375 β45 β750β 6207ββIsabella 1541 ΒΉ β 832Β½π§
-9 years/round βββββββ β 8326ββ-90 yearsβ β46 β700β 9867 β Isabellaββββ§β βββββ ββ§βββββ
βββ§ βββββ βββ§
β46 β650β 5199
β47 βββββ 5894
β48 βββββ 6587
β49 βββββ 7282
β50 βββββ 7974
β51 βββββ 8668
β52 β650β 9361ββββ§β βββββ ββ§βββββ
βββ§ βββββ βββ§
β52 β600β 4697
β53 βββββ 5392
β54 βββββ 6086
β55 β600β 6780ββMaria 2114 ΒΉ β 693ΒΎπ§
-7Β½ years/round βββββββ β 6798ββ-73Β½βyearsβ β56 β550β 8909 β57 β550β 9465 βMariaβββ§β βββββ ββ§βββββ
βββ§ βββββ βββ§
β57 β500β 4799
β58 βββββ 5354
β59 βββββ 5909
β60 βββββ 6464
β61 βββββ 7019
β62 βββββ 7574
β63 βββββ 8129
β64 βββββ 8684
β65 β500β 9239ββKate 4573 ΒΉ β 555π§
-6 years/round βββββββ β 5272ββ-57 yearsβ β66 β450β 9847 βKate Β²βββ§β βββββ ββ§βββββ
βββ§ βββββ βββ§
β66 β400β 5179
β67 βββββ 5596
β68 βββββ 6012
β69 βββββ 6428
β70 βββββ 6844
β71 βββββ 7261
β72 βββββ 7677
β73 βββββ 8093
β74 βββββ 8509
β75 β400β 8927 βFatimaβ 416ΒΌπ§
-4Β½ years/round βββββββ β 3746ββ-40Β½ yearsβ β76 β350β 8007 βββ§β βββββ ββ§βββββ
βββ§ βββββ βββ§
β77 βββββ 8285
β78 βββββ 8562
β79 βββββ 8840
β80 βββββ 9117
β81 βββββ 9395
β82 βββββ 9672
β83 β350β 9949ββββ§β βββββ ββ§βββββ
βββ§ βββββ βββ§
β83 β300β 5281
β84 βββββ 5559
β85 βββββ 5836
β86 βββββ 6114
β87 βββββ 6391
β88 βββββ 6669
β89 βββββ 6946
β90 βββββ 7224
β91 βββββ 7501
β92 βββββ 7779
β93 βββββ 8056
β94 βββββ 8334
β95 βββββ 8611
β96 βββββ 8889
β97 βββββ 9166
β98 βββββ 9444
β99 β300β 9721β β99 β250β 5057 β 277Β½π§
-3 years/round Round 100 - xxxβ(no change) xxx β250β 5334 β SophiaMaxium of years with the minimum of reqired π§
Campaign > 234/420β, Headquarter> 70 000πΎ, 9999π°, 9999π
For missings you have to add: β = 25π§,β4πΎ = 1π§,β2π° = 1π§,β4π = 1π§
Notes: Most scores are prooved test results, calculated scores are written italic.
For the non integer values in the formula and game limitations for testing, differences up to Β±2π§ for scores are unavoidable. Years are rounded (93β
π§ = 1year)
The βπ§ in the box is the exaxt increment of loss per round between two roundbreaks (red).
As long, as you can collect more, later finishing until the next roundbreak (red) gives higher scores.
Scroll the : to see the value for your requested round
ΒΉ This is the reccomend last Round to get Isabella
Β² Kate comes from an american conquest (1775 or 1812). The evaluation of years is equal.
π8 Dec 23 -editing- |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Dec 10, 2020 19:25:42 GMT
Finally, except the explanation of how to evaluate your headquarter, this reference contains all informations how European and American years are calculated and how to get wich princess. I appreciate Comments and corrections. If something is unclear I will add additional explanations.
Comments: There is no advantage to finish before Round 31 ! To get a Princess directly after a roundbreak is possible but for a normal conquest pretty unrealistic; the real Princess rounds are Victoria: 31/38
Isabella: 45
Maria: 55
KateΒΉ: 65
Fatima: 75
Sophia: - The years are pretty precise and can help to get a feeling for the relations. Enjoy |
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Post by ks on Dec 10, 2020 21:05:58 GMT
Finally, except the explanation of how to evaluate your headquarter, this reference contains all informations how European and American years are calculated and how to get wich princess. I appreciate Comments and corrections. If something is unclear I will add additional explanations. Princess rounds: Victoria: 31/38 Isabella: 45 Kate: 55 Maria: 6 Fatima: 75 Sophia: - Enjoy Wow Iβm never gonna get the elusive Maria! 6 rounds? My best is 30 |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Dec 10, 2020 21:08:41 GMT
Yo hit me during editig ... even Kate was wrong βΈ
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Post by littlecorporal on Jan 4, 2021 15:22:51 GMT
I just saw this, amazing work. You cracked the code.
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Jan 4, 2021 16:15:40 GMT
I just saw this, amazing work. You cracked the code. Thank you littlecorporal, The list is packed with information, I tryed to make it visible. I think the years (96%) give the best impression, don't they? The delta per round is exact and you find the scores for every round. It should explain everything (headquarter is linked) I hope it is informative. |
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Post by littlecorporal on Jan 5, 2021 11:31:22 GMT
It took me a minite to understand, maybe because I'm not a tech guy. Best feature is you give a range of scores so its easy to plan out, you can tell by round 25 or so if you will make it and can then decide if you want to use medkits or tavern generals to speed it along.
This was such a mystery even a few months ago.
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Post by John Marston on Jan 6, 2021 2:20:44 GMT
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Post by pathdoc on Sept 2, 2021 12:47:11 GMT
So if I understand this correctly, I can get Fatimah at 75 years if I have:
8927 wrenches at the end of the battle with max gold and food
70,000 rice equivalent in my Headquarters generals
234 campaign stars out of a possible 420.
Alternatively, if I can do it in 66 years, I only need 5179 wrenches. And for every 25 wrenches I have above that, I need one fewer campaign stars.
Is this correct? Or have I misunderstood something?
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Sept 2, 2021 14:17:05 GMT
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Post by pathdoc on Sept 2, 2021 14:55:43 GMT
Now all we need is a formula in which we can plug in our stars, our turn, our gold, our wrenches, our food, our HQ generals' nobility as worked out in rice, and have it pump out the years ruled we would get.
I know there are numbers the system keeps track of to determine how much rank and nobility a general has to earn to move up to the next stage. I wonder if the internal formula tracks that, or whether it just takes the raw number you have achieved. This seems to be the last frontier; exactly how many repeat/undo cycles do you need in Chain the Beast, for example, to raise a general from nothing to 10 in Nobility? How much does a city or a stable bring in a conquest?
You have already given us the formula for Rank - 60 damage dealt is the same as one medal spent (without booster items). Knowing the exact numbers for Nobility is the obvious next step.
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Post by pathdoc on Sept 3, 2021 11:27:00 GMT
ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ , for your information in assembling formulae and making deductions, I have some data points for you: HRE 1798, I finished the game in 59 turns and got Sophia. I saved before the last kill, then some regrouping and other stuff happened and I reloaded the save. Resources: Gold/food 9999. Wrenches: 9513 Campaign stars: 34 Generals: ARNOLD R 20, N 0 DUMOURIEZ R 54, N 2 SOPHIA R 64, N 4 By your determination elsewhere, my HQ rice would be 29,200 and my conquest resources rice would be 30000 + (9513*4) = 68,052 (to the extent that rice matters in Europe). Campaign rice is 34 * 170, or 5780 Your table for conquest rounds doesn't show what happens after turn 33. Does it remain at 12,650 or does it continue to decrease linearly (2000 per turn) such that by turn 59 it would be zero? That would make the total rice either 103032 if it had fallen to zero or 115682 if it remained static. This gave me 350 years ruled. Dividing my "rice in Europe" by 350 suggests a conversion factor for "European rice" of either 294 for the low case or 330 for the high, but the exact value depends on the break-point for rounding down, and whether the generals' nobility is calculated on the strict rank and nobility numbers or is on a sliding scale of their exact progress between ranks. I think I will have a much better idea of the real number when I have clarification on the rice per turn at higher turn numbers, and when I improve my generals' "rice scores" or my campaign stars to the point where I hit 400 years. I am going to suggest a European Rice conversion factor of 300 in the first instance and see if this holds up against your own data. If I am right, then I need 120,000 rice to obtain 400 years and get Fatimah. If I work from this same save, doing no more campaign missions and only improving my generals to keep as many variables as possible under control, I should be able to calculate the exact amount of nobility and rank I need to improve. I have to go and do other things right now, but I'll work out the sums later and get back to you with my guess.
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Sept 3, 2021 16:32:26 GMT
[...] By your determination elsewhere, my HQ rice would be 29,200 and my conquest resources rice would be 30000 + (9513*4) = 68,052 (to the extent that rice matters in Europe). [...] Your table for conquest rounds doesn't show what happens after turn 33. Yes the headquarter - rice counts also for europe, just with a lower maximum of 70000. BUT attention: the conquest rounds table is for the evaluation of asian years! Here in rounds and years it shows the evaluation for america and europe! I know the table contains many (I hpe all) data. In the white block on the right side you can see how much π§ per turn you 'loose'. If you can collect more, finishing later gives a higher score. Untill a roundbreak. 93β
π§ = 1 year. It is easier to count with the deficite: 70000 - 29,200 = 40800πΎ / 4 = 10200π§ (Headquarter) (235 - 35) * 25π§ = 5000π§ (campaign) So you need to add on all the numbers : (15200π§) 4666π§ = 50 years In he list it says: R59 the max is 500y with 5909π§ - 9333 (100 years less) + 15200 (your missings) ------------- 11.776 (your need for Fatima) - still missing 2263π§ 2263 * 4 = 9050πΎ in your headquarter or 90β You have pretty exact 375 years. |
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Post by pathdoc on Sept 3, 2021 17:14:05 GMT
OK, I think the main problem I've been having is not reading the table correctly. Your post has given me a clearer idea of how this should be done. Thanks.
I do not think I will be getting much more out of this conquest, as the last enemy is parked right next to not only my unit but also allied units. Unless the allies are terribly lazy, I don't think I will be collecting any more wrenches from this save, and even if I got 9999 of them, it wouldn't make as much difference as boosting my generals' nobility. I think I should try to repeat the run at some stage, as I'm very annoyed to find out how close I was to being able to use this one to get Maria.
However, given that fantastic run by the fellow in that video, we now know that a 27-turn run even without heavyweight generals is feasible; and then with that save done and the advantages of early finishing in our pockets, we then work on our campaigns and fattening up our HQ.
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Post by pathdoc on Sept 3, 2021 18:32:12 GMT
By the way, I did some calculations. If all you had in your HQ was Arnold, right out of the box with medals from ads, and you did that perfect triple-999 run on a new, fresh iteration of the game, I calculated that you would get 676 years. Not quite enough for Isabella, but you would get Sophia, Fatimah and Maria immediately.
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