Grigory Kulik
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"What the hell do we need rocket artillery for? The main thing is the horse-drawn gun."
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Post by Grigory Kulik on Apr 16, 2021 19:09:01 GMT
Why would you get Rommel first when you don't even get heavy tanks that much in the first 4 theatres? Guderian is more versatile due to Blitzkrieg (which is better than PL). Guderian can be used on both mediums and heavies and perform exceptionally well. Rommel is atrocious on medium tanks. Due to anti-armor + blitzkrieg, Guderian can be used to combat all types of units and enemy generals successfully. Rommel ends up getting regulated to mop up duty because he has no survivability. Heavy Tanks are made to destroy infantry and Range one Armor! PL is much better than Blitzkrieg, especially when paired with ToI! Artillery should destroy enemy tank gens and other heavy tanks. For the first 4-ish theatres, another tank Gen isn't needed much (In N. Africa, Rommel is even good on a medium tank). Rommel is obviously better on a heavy tank. Everyone agrees. Everyone also agrees that Guderian is better on a medium tank. It is just that IMO heavy tanks are much more important. PL is not better than the blitzkrieg skill because it causes the general to lose health too quickly. "Leader" skills only work well on generals with a survivability skill. That is why MacArthur and Rundstedt are so good. The have IL + Fire Suppression which allows them to repeatedly attack while not taking too much damage. Rommel does not have anything like that, so he cant attack the most dangerous enemy generals who are on heavy tanks. I think Rommel is still very good (way better than the allied tank generals), but his lack of survivability + a skill that compounds that problem and makes it worse regulates him to a supporting role which makes him less important. |
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Post by andrei on Apr 16, 2021 19:15:22 GMT
Heavy Tanks are made to destroy infantry and Range one Armor! PL is much better than Blitzkrieg, especially when paired with ToI! Artillery should destroy enemy tank gens and other heavy tanks. For the first 4-ish theatres, another tank Gen isn't needed much (In N. Africa, Rommel is even good on a medium tank). Rommel is obviously better on a heavy tank. Everyone agrees. Everyone also agrees that Guderian is better on a medium tank. It is just that IMO heavy tanks are much more important. PL is not better than the blitzkrieg skill because it causes the general to lose health too quickly. "Leader" skills only work well on generals with a survivability skill. That is why MacArthur and Rundstedt are so good. The have IL + Fire Suppression which allows them to repeatedly attack while not taking too much damage. Rommel does not have anything like that, so he cant attack the most dangerous enemy generals who are on heavy tanks. I think Rommel is still very good (way better than the allied tank generals), but his lack of survivability + a skill that compounds that problem and makes it worse regulates him to a supporting role which makes him less important. First, Heavy has ranged attack. It is far superior than what medium can bring to the table. They don't normally need Blitzkrieg. Enemy Heavy are destroyed by Heavy Arty from range of 3 tiles, so Heavy tanks crush everything else from range of 2. Second, You forget that KV-6 exists. It is top SF and medium can't propose anything similarly devastating. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 16, 2021 19:15:25 GMT
Heavy Tanks are made to destroy infantry and Range one Armor! PL is much better than Blitzkrieg, especially when paired with ToI! Artillery should destroy enemy tank gens and other heavy tanks. For the first 4-ish theatres, another tank Gen isn't needed much (In N. Africa, Rommel is even good on a medium tank). Rommel is obviously better on a heavy tank. Everyone agrees. Everyone also agrees that Guderian is better on a medium tank. It is just that IMO heavy tanks are much more important. PL is not better than the blitzkrieg skill because it causes the general to lose health too quickly. "Leader" skills only work well on generals with a survivability skill. That is why MacArthur and Rundstedt are so good. The have IL + Fire Suppression which allows them to repeatedly attack while not taking too much damage. Rommel does not have anything like that, so he cant attack the most dangerous enemy generals who are on heavy tanks. I think Rommel is still very good (way better than the allied tank generals), but his lack of survivability + a skill that compounds that problem and makes it worse regulates him to a supporting role which makes him less important. People like Govorov are still good without a survivability skill. Do you know why? Because they can attack without a counterattack. They can outrange the enemy. They don't need a counterattack. In addition, Rommel with a Maus has, like 1000 defense. That is enough survivability for my heavy tanks. |
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Post by SolidLight on Apr 16, 2021 19:20:07 GMT
Guderian is still really good on heavy tanks and arguably has some sizable advantages over Rommel. Like how he can get away with more aggressive positioning with a 50% chance at avoiding punishment (Blitzkrieg) and him having superior anti-tank damage. I absolutely do not see why you should get Rommel first if you’re planning on getting both anyway. Not unless you want to make things harder for yourself.
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Post by SolidLight on Apr 16, 2021 19:28:07 GMT
PL is not better than the blitzkrieg skill because it causes the general to lose health too quickly. "Leader" skills only work well on generals with a survivability skill. That is why MacArthur and Rundstedt are so good. The have IL + Fire Suppression which allows them to repeatedly attack while not taking too much damage. Rommel does not have anything like that, so he cant attack the most dangerous enemy generals who are on heavy tanks. I think Rommel is still very good (way better than the allied tank generals), but his lack of survivability + a skill that compounds that problem and makes it worse regulates him to a supporting role which makes him less important. People like Govorov are still good without a survivability skill. Do you know why? Because they can attack without a counterattack. They can outrange the enemy. They don't need a counterattack. In addition, Rommel with a Maus has, like 1000 defense. That is enough survivability for my heavy tanks. 1-2 range is not the same as 2-3 range. |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jul 26, 2021 11:55:09 GMT
Guderian on a medium tank with a panther is better than Rommel on a heavy tank with a Maus. Nonsense, both the Maus and Heavy Tanks in General are overpowered, and Rommel has a sick PL+ToI combo. That being said, I think Guderian is the second best tank gen in the game, just get Rommel first. Guderian is better than Rommel even on Heavy Tank. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Jul 26, 2021 12:58:15 GMT
Nonsense, both the Maus and Heavy Tanks in General are overpowered, and Rommel has a sick PL+ToI combo. That being said, I think Guderian is the second best tank gen in the game, just get Rommel first. Guderian is better than Rommel even on Heavy Tank. That's hilarious. Guderian is most definitely worse than Rommel on a Heavy Tank. Blitzkrieg has no use on heavies unless fighting another HT or arty, and dosen't have PL, which helps because the Maus really isn't the greatest SF, and if you don't knock it out, PL helps with a 1/4 chance of triggering rounding 1% up. All Guderian has on Rommel now is the Anti-Armour buff, but Rommel has on Guderian PL, PL outranks A-A in HT combat. And DF is a good bonus in 41's Deserts. Guderian is good on a heavy, but is at his best on a medium, which I have seen outperform Rommel with a KV-6, which is why I just leave Guderian on a medium and if he dies early on in a army group, I reset. On the thread you quoted however, the Maus is just (maybe above) average, with a speed buff of merely 2 while encouraging you to stay still. HTs are not overpowered, with a power limit on costs and productions (AGs and Conquests). HT is good, but not overpowered. Artillery, if you are on you final units in challenges, are overpowered. Guderian on a medium is overpowered. Rommel with a KV-6 is overpowered. Being slow makes you a liability if you are not prepared for it, so HTs are not overpowered, a liability, if you are new to the game, sure. Great potential? Of course. Overpowered? I would not go as far as to say that. |
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Jul 26, 2021 12:59:42 GMT
Guderian is better than Rommel even on Heavy Tank. That's hilarious. Guderian is most definitely worse than Rommel on a Heavy Tank. Blitzkrieg has no use on heavies unless fighting another HT or arty, and dosen't have PL, which helps because the Maus really isn't the greatest SF, and if you don't knock it out, PL helps with a 1/4 chance of triggering rounding 1% up. All Guderian has on Rommel now is the Anti-Armour buff, but Rommel has on Guderian PL, PL outranks A-A in HT combat. And DF is a good bonus in 41's Deserts. Guderian is good on a heavy, but is at his best on a medium, which I have seen outperform Rommel with a KV-6, which is why I just leave Guderian on a medium and if he dies early on in a army group, I reset. On the thread you quoted however, the Maus is just (maybe above) average, with a speed buff of merely 2 while encouraging you to stay still. HTs are not overpowered, with a power limit on costs and productions (AGs and Conquests). HT is good, but not overpowered. Artillery, if you are on you final units in challenges, are overpowered. Guderian on a medium is overpowered. Rommel with a KV-6 is overpowered. Being slow makes you a liability if you are not prepared for it, so HTs are not overpowered, a liability, if you are new to the game, sure. Great potential? Of course. Overpowered? I would not go as far as to say that. Rommel is definitely better than Guderian in desert. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Jul 27, 2021 13:09:12 GMT
That's hilarious. Guderian is most definitely worse than Rommel on a Heavy Tank. Blitzkrieg has no use on heavies unless fighting another HT or arty, and dosen't have PL, which helps because the Maus really isn't the greatest SF, and if you don't knock it out, PL helps with a 1/4 chance of triggering rounding 1% up. All Guderian has on Rommel now is the Anti-Armour buff, but Rommel has on Guderian PL, PL outranks A-A in HT combat. And DF is a good bonus in 41's Deserts. Guderian is good on a heavy, but is at his best on a medium, which I have seen outperform Rommel with a KV-6, which is why I just leave Guderian on a medium and if he dies early on in a army group, I reset. On the thread you quoted however, the Maus is just (maybe above) average, with a speed buff of merely 2 while encouraging you to stay still. HTs are not overpowered, with a power limit on costs and productions (AGs and Conquests). HT is good, but not overpowered. Artillery, if you are on you final units in challenges, are overpowered. Guderian on a medium is overpowered. Rommel with a KV-6 is overpowered. Being slow makes you a liability if you are not prepared for it, so HTs are not overpowered, a liability, if you are new to the game, sure. Great potential? Of course. Overpowered? I would not go as far as to say that. Rommel is definitely better than Guderian in desert. Yeah, but that's one single uncommon theatre, which doesn't justify saying that Rommel is better than Guderian in whole. |
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Post by John Marston on Jul 29, 2021 6:24:16 GMT
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Post by John Marston on Apr 26, 2022 12:49:02 GMT
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Post by JustANormalAccount on Apr 26, 2022 14:16:06 GMT
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 26, 2022 18:35:34 GMT
That was a joke, Grazi is trash. SF is good, but his other two skills are borderline useless and he only has 3 stars. Guderian is the second best tank gen in the axis, but I still see no reason to field two tankers for the axis. |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Apr 26, 2022 21:20:53 GMT
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Post by John Marston on Apr 27, 2022 13:14:53 GMT
Not really. Because if not, then that would mean creating new threads for everything just for a single comment. |
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