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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 4, 2021 13:52:35 GMT
Please post comments in Random Area. Where is random area sir though? Also if the Japanese tried to take out the USSR instead of the US when the Germans invaded USSR, Germany would have stood a chance. Officer's Lounge |
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Post by Don Quixote de la Mancha on Mar 7, 2021 6:18:16 GMT
The North African Campaign
The Western Desert Campaign
In June of 1940, Pétain surrendered to the Axis. At the same time, Italy alligned itself with the Axis and declared war on the U.K .This would start the war in North Africa. By August, Mussolini ordered the Italian army to invade Egypt, this invasion would only start in September because of multiple problems including transports, lack of experienced troops and state of the equipement (tanks, guns, munitions ect). By September 16th, the Italians had entered 80km into egyptian territory but could not advance further because of supply issues. The Commonwealthers seized this occasion to attack the struggling enemy and defeated them in Operation Compass going as far to occupy Tobruk. Within 10 weeks, the British and their allies got to El Agheila, taking a total overall of 130 000 war prisonners in the process of this operation. By this time, Il Duce had called upon his german allies for support in this front, the geran obliged and Rommel was sent to Libya with the famed AfrikaKorps. With the incoming support, the Axis was able to push back the Aussies to Tobruk and the Brits to the egyptian border. This would start the siege of Tobruk which would see fierce fighting and the perseverance of the Australians against Rommel would stop him from being able to attack Egypt. The siege would end with the withdrawal of the Australians from the city and the advance of Rommel to Alexandria in July 1942 that was thwarted by the First Battle of El-Alamein. After the Second Battle of El-Alamein, the Axis would be defeated decisively and the Allies would be able to move all the way to Tripoli by January 1943.
Operation Torch
In November 1942, American forces landed in French Africa (Morocco, Algiers and Oran).In the landing of Algiers, the french resistance would seize the city and arrest Vichy commanders before the landing occured. Once Juin and Darlan had ordered the cesation of fire for the Vichy troops, they were integrated into the Free French armies. Darlan, who had been promised the leadership of a free French administation was assasinated by gaullists. This assasination would secure de Gaulle's already sturdy position in Free France.
Tunisian Campaign
Following the landings of Operation Torch, the Axis started a buildup of troops in Tunisia to counter-weight the absence of the Vichy armies. The Allies started an surrounding of Tunisia, occupying Algeria and Libya and pushing towards Tunisia before the axis had time to fortify and receive all their planned reinforcements. During the winter of 1942, a stalemate occured and both sides started bulding back up their forces for the decisive battle. Although the situation of the Axis seemed desperate, Rommel was sucessful in routing the Allies at the bsttle of Kasserin Pass. By March 1943, the Axis was completely surounded by the Allies in Tunisia and Rommel left for Germany die to health reasons and remplaced by Messe. Side note, the stereotype of weak italian was disproven by this campaign, the last army in the region giving up being the Italian army under Messe. After the defeat and collapse of the Mareth line, the Axis were pushed out of the continent.
Notes
The war in Africa is often cited as the "clean" war or the "war without hate" though this is slightly disproven by the treatment of the locals by both sides. Of course this cannot be compared to say the Eastern front but still. Information gleaned via British Ultra code-breaking intelligence proved critical to Allied success in North Africa and was probably one of the most determinant factors of Allied sucess in the region.
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Post by John Marston on Mar 8, 2021 1:45:09 GMT
Barbarossa : The Blunder Contrary to what all think, Barbarossa was a really good plan. Because the British were putting stiff defence (actually the Nazis didn't try hard enough) and all of Europe except USSR was under his control. Hitler made a good plan but... The plan - Hitler's plan was to attack the Soviets from 3 fronts - North at Leningrad, with Finnish help, centre to Moscow and south at Stalingrad and Caucasus. The Northern front was led by Wilhelm vitter von leeb, Middle by Fedor von Bock and South by Gerd von Rundstedt. All of them were fired after the loss. The Germans started crushing and encircling the Soviet army at the start. German and Finnish planes virtually targeted Soviet planes which were on ground. By the time Stalin passed orders, many of those armies were destroyed or held as prisoners. As they moved further north, where communication lines were near and more time to organize, the German offensive slowed down, but was still fierce. Due to long Supply lines and no reinforcement, the German offensive came to a grinding halt at Moscow. Though the Germans pushed on. So close were the Nazis that one SS division had spotted the spirals of Kremlin, reportedly Stalin inside. From there, started the pushback and retreat and into (hard to imagine) Berlin. Stalingrad disaster - The siege of Stalingrad is one of the most magnificent defense of the country. The Russians held of superior German forces and pushed them back with reinforcement from Vladivostok. The elite troops with good winter clothing and supplies arrived just in time and helped the ongoing Soviet defensive
Another reason for the disaster is that Hitler had forced Paulus to fight till the last end, where he could have retreated, regrouped with fresh divisions and fought back but No! Hitler wouldn't listen.
The time was perfect for the Japanese to attack from the east at Vladivostok. But they refused to do so and focused on Pacific region. That area was left virtually undefended. An attack there might have brought the end of Soviets.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Mar 24, 2021 13:22:32 GMT
Retreat of the Empire - I will assume this will be on Japan, is this correct, John Marston? |
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Post by John Marston on Mar 25, 2021 1:29:04 GMT
Retreat of the Empire - I will assume this will be on Japan, is this correct, John Marston ? Yes. Excpet the climax. |
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Post by Don Quixote de la Mancha on Aug 22, 2021 3:05:27 GMT
Retreat of the Empire Japanese military strategists were keenly aware of the unfavorable discrepancy between the industrial potential of the Japanese Empire and that of the United States. Because of this they reasoned that Japanese success hinged on their ability to extend the strategic advantage gained at Pearl Harbor with additional rapid strategic victories. But by 1942, Japan was being bombed in their home island. In May, they failed to turn the tide during the battle of the Coral Sea, despite number superiority. This loss was followed by another one during the battle of Midway of 4 aircraft carriers. Further victories by the Allies at Guadalcanal in September 1942, and New Guinea in 1943 put the Empire of Japan on the defensive for the remainder of the war, with Guadalcanal in particular sapping their already-limited oil supplies. . By 1944, the Allies had seized or bypassed and neutralized many of Japan's strategic bases through amphibious landings and bombardment. This, coupled with the losses inflicted by Allied submarines on Japanese shipping routes began to strangle Japan's economy and undermine its ability to supply its army. By early 1945, the U.S. Marines had wrested control of the Ogasawara Islands in several hard-fought battles such as the Battle of Iwo Jima, marking the beginning of the fall of the islands of Japan.
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Post by Don Quixote de la Mancha on Aug 22, 2021 4:06:13 GMT
Fall of the Nazis After the Landings in Sicily and Normandy (respectively Operation Husky and Overlord), the Axis powers were following a steady downwards hill. When the Italian people (who had been fed up with Mussolini for a while) surrendered to the allies and then joined them, this was only a confirmation of this. The Soviets, who had been almost pushed out of Moscow were now obeying the law of "equal or opposite reaction" and started steamrolling the Axis. By January of 1944, they were entering Poland. It was now only a matter of time. In August of 1944, Paris had been liberated and Operation Dragoon had commenced, starting the liberation of Southern France. ON the 23, Romania surrenders and joins the Allies. The battle off the Bulge, an attempt of repeating 1940 all over again, failed as the allies were closing in on Germany, t=Benelux having being freed and the Baltics being "freed". Hitler starts to become crazily paranoid and orders several of notable nazis shot (but no one generally listens) such as Himmler and Goering. On the 28th of April, Mussolini is beaten to death by Italians and Hitler joins him on the 30th. Finally after 6 long years, Germany signs a peace treaty with the Allies on the 8th of May, ending the war in Europe.
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Post by Shrimant Peshwa Madhavrao Bhat on Aug 22, 2021 4:13:07 GMT
Operation Sea Lion & Yugoslavian Coup: I must admit that I laughed out loud when I read the subject I would be working on today. An impossible plan and a revolution in Yugoslavia for the four hundredth time. But, let's get to it. First, Operation Sea Lion. I will assume you also mean to include the battle of Britain in here, so here goes. Germany in 1940, triumphant over France. Britain was alone with not one, not two, but six (count 'em: Germany, Italy, Slovakia, Romania, Vichy France, Hungary, with another six if you count the nonannexed German Lands of Bohemia-Moravia, Oesteuropa, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Holland). Britain's Dominions Make the Count 27 for Britain, not including remote Islands in the middle of the Atlantic, Caribbean or Pacific. Britain appeared to be in Danger with the Overwhelming German Air superiority in numbers, in combination with the Luftwaffe bombing of British Airbases, the Germans seemed (to both sides) to be sure to win. However, the British launched a much-propagandized bombing raid of Berlin (which did nothing significant). This enraged Hitler, who, under the dissertational advice of the Italian General Giulio Douhet, ordered London to be bombed into the Stone Age. This allowed RAF fighter pilots to regroup and, in massive dogfights, demolished air superiority for the Germans, thus saving Britain. But did it? That is the story, but the The Truth is that the Germans hadn't a chance. For one thing, they needed both massive air superiority as well as massive naval superiority, otherwise there wasn't a chance for them to land. They didn't have the industrial capabilities to pull this off with a Hungry Soviet Union on their back, as the combined American and British industries were nearly not enough. Nor did the Germans have Mulberries, a very useful tool. But let's pretend that they managed to land 45 and 1/2 divisions on Britain magically. The British retreat fifty miles. Now you have a huge German army group with no oil because the Royal Navy is cutting off their supplies. Okay, pretend the Royal navy is gone. The Krauts still have those 26 dominions and Colonies around the world to go. Good job, Hitler. This is what you get for trying to make a global superpower (saying they will never surrender) surrender. To be continued: But sir, Germany has advantage in Air and Royal Navy was defenceless against luftwaffe. The original plan was to destroy Airforce of Britain and then with no one to stop their bombers , they could bomb any British ship daring to enter the formerly "English" Channel. Simple plan , right , but here enters Hugh Dowding. As of "Never Surrender" , definitely Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa will not surrender but it will be difficult to hold India , where the independence movement was at its height and Africa which was mostly defenseless without supplies from Britain and it's commonwealt. Also, we have seen that there were pro-Nazi groups in UK , so they will take power and like Vichy regime , they could turn British into pro-Germans by propaganda and if they heard a speech of Hitler saying Germans and British are Anglo-Saxon brothers, why wouldn't they support them. Germany did not have capability to defeat RAF. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Aug 22, 2021 4:17:24 GMT
But sir, Germany has advantage in Air and Royal Navy was defenceless against luftwaffe. The original plan was to destroy Airforce of Britain and then with no one to stop their bombers , they could bomb any British ship daring to enter the formerly "English" Channel. Simple plan , right , but here enters Hugh Dowding. As of "Never Surrender" , definitely Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa will not surrender but it will be difficult to hold India , where the independence movement was at its height and Africa which was mostly defenseless without supplies from Britain and it's commonwealt. Also, we have seen that there were pro-Nazi groups in UK , so they will take power and like Vichy regime , they could turn British into pro-Germans by propaganda and if they heard a speech of Hitler saying Germans and British are Anglo-Saxon brothers, why wouldn't they support them. Germany did not have capability to defeat RAF. And definitely not with Göring and his horrendous intelligence. |
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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Aug 17, 2022 12:01:48 GMT
Oh yeah, and then nukes fell on Japan and they surrendered, in case some are scratching their heads about Japan not surrendering.
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Aug 24, 2022 0:39:28 GMT
Oh yeah, and then nukes fell on Japan and they surrendered, in case some are scratching their heads about Japan not surrendering. Nukes dont fall from the sky. Somebody dropped them. Nagasaki was a crime - just to test or demonstrate the military design of the A-bomb. Thanks god, the crew new what they are doing and so they threw this bomb in a valley behind the mountain and not as ordered on the city. - This inobvediance saved the life of some 100 000'nds of testing objects (Japanese civilians) - for this the crew earned my respect. |
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Aug 24, 2022 0:57:21 GMT
Germany did not have capability to defeat RAF. And definitely not with Göring and his horrendous intelligence. And the germans never had any serious plans to invade Britain - there were some strategig planings in the 30'ies but the last planningroup was dissolved in autum 1938 - no troopships - no targets - Germany always searched to build an alliance with GreatBritain/US to split the world in two - until 1945 they tried it, Hitler never understood why they refused. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Aug 24, 2022 1:53:45 GMT
Oh yeah, and then nukes fell on Japan and they surrendered, in case some are scratching their heads about Japan not surrendering. Nukes dont fall from the sky. Somebody dropped them. Nagasaki was a crime - just to test or demonstrate the military design of the A-bomb. Thanks god, the crew new what they are doing and so they threw this bomb in a valley behind the mountain and not as ordered on the city. - This inobvediance saved the life of some 100 000'nds of testing objects (Japanese civilians) - for this the crew earned my respect. Dude, why say something controversial randomly in the middle of nowhere? Who does that? I bet you're the sorta guy who names themselves after a NAZI! On the contrary, I think that it was hardly worse than the firebombing raids of Lemay, which objectively killed more people. And, the demonstration of such the atomic bomb probably stopped WWIII. Once we saw the human damage it caused, it put an end to a lot of American AND Soviet jingoism. Furthermore, surely "all is fair in love and war." Nothing the nukes did badly would have been much worse than the continuation of WWII, even if it was just going to go on for a couple more months. This sort of civilian warfare (in my eyes) is perfectly justifiable in that it is completely unjustifiable. William Sherman, the hero in my life that I most hate, was right when he said that there is no use trying to refine war. The only thing you can hope for is that they will surrender. War will never be nice, and the best thing is to find the quickest way to end it, and do that. If that means bombing X civilians, go for it. As long as it goes on, unimaginable horrors will happen. The job of the powers is to make sure those horrors go on for the shortest time possible. That will save more lives on both sides. |
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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Aug 24, 2022 1:57:21 GMT
Nukes dont fall from the sky. Somebody dropped them. Nagasaki was a crime - just to test or demonstrate the military design of the A-bomb. Thanks god, the crew new what they are doing and so they threw this bomb in a valley behind the mountain and not as ordered on the city. - This inobvediance saved the life of some 100 000'nds of testing objects (Japanese civilians) - for this the crew earned my respect. Dude, why say something controversial randomly in the middle of nowhere? Who does that? I bet you're the sorta guy who names themselves after a NAZI! On the contrary, I think that it was hardly worse than the firebombing raids of Lemay, which objectively killed more people. And, the demonstration of such the atomic bomb probably stopped WWIII. Once we saw the human damage it caused, it put an end to a lot of American AND Soviet jingoism. Furthermore, surely "all is fair in love and war." Nothing the nukes did badly would have been much worse than the continuation of WWII, even if it was just going to go on for a couple more months. This sort of civilian warfare (in my eyes) is perfectly justifiable in that it is completely unjustifiable. William Sherman, the hero in my life that I most hate, was right when he said that there is no use trying to refine war. The only thing you can hope for is that they will surrender. War will never be nice, and the best thing is to find the quickest way to end it, and do that. If that means bombing X civilians, go for it. As long as it goes on, unimaginable horrors will happen. The job of the powers is to make sure those horrors go on for the shortest time possible. That will save more lives on both sides. Controversial, but somewhat agreed. Very utilitarian viewpoint. |
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Post by 𝘛𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘴𝘬𝘺 on Aug 24, 2022 15:56:03 GMT
Dude, why say something controversial randomly in the middle of nowhere? Who does that? I bet you're the sorta guy who names themselves after a NAZI! On the contrary, I think that it was hardly worse than the firebombing raids of Lemay, which objectively killed more people. And, the demonstration of such the atomic bomb probably stopped WWIII. Once we saw the human damage it caused, it put an end to a lot of American AND Soviet jingoism. Furthermore, surely "all is fair in love and war." Nothing the nukes did badly would have been much worse than the continuation of WWII, even if it was just going to go on for a couple more months. This sort of civilian warfare (in my eyes) is perfectly justifiable in that it is completely unjustifiable. William Sherman, the hero in my life that I most hate, was right when he said that there is no use trying to refine war. The only thing you can hope for is that they will surrender. War will never be nice, and the best thing is to find the quickest way to end it, and do that. If that means bombing X civilians, go for it. As long as it goes on, unimaginable horrors will happen. The job of the powers is to make sure those horrors go on for the shortest time possible. That will save more lives on both sides. Controversial, but somewhat agreed. Very utilitarian viewpoint. For sure I would never take an alias of any Nazi. As sidenote. I always like your stringent arumentation Gerd von Rundstedt. I am completly with You, that the bomb on Hiroshima can be justified with the shortening of the war, but this was not my point. The bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are two different designs of an A-Bomb. Although practical defeated and after Hiroshima, Japan had no chance to avoid the second bomb - this was the actual production design in contrast to fat boy of Hiroshima that was the Phsicians design of an A-Bomb. The US need to test this design in real-life (better real-death) - against a defeated enemy - just for testing purposes - This is a war crime, that was my point. And that bombs don't fall from the sky but at least the crew took their responsability and did not throw the second bomb on target. |
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