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Post by HangryBird on Apr 9, 2021 2:03:40 GMT
PattonLooks Shiny doesn’t he? Well I mean, he is pretty good. The problem is accuracy strike is a pretty useless skill as it is much better to kill a unit with a special force entirely, rather than just damage their special force. Blitzkrieg is only really useful on medium tanks. Pretty negligible on heavy tanks as they have ranged attack. Panzer Leader is fantastic on heavy tanks, but it is also low level. Overall, Patton is basically Montgomery with Blitzkrieg. Considering he is unlocked super late in the game, I don’t honestly think he is all that. I’d get Monty, Rokossovsky, or Vatutin I think Patton deserves pink. Accuracy strike isn't a useless skill because it is useful against enemies with multiple stacks, where it's easier to kill their special force rather than the unit itself. Special forces grant attack and defense bonuses, which is why getting rid of them can make killing a unit much easier. There are plenty of special forces that are troublesome on units with multiple stacks due to their special abilities: 1. Those that take less damage from air attacks and artillery 2. Those that do more damage against infantry and tanks 3. Those that ignore 50% of your defense 4. Those with increased crit chance Yes, Patton's blitzkreig makes him better on medium tanks, but is that really a bad thing? It means that you can have a good medium tank user in a situation where you don't have enough heavy tanks for your generals. Panzer Leader is still useful for improving the consistency of extra attacks for medium tanks, even if it's only a 12% chance. Also, Patton has blitzkrieg, which will allow him to not wear himself down too much when he does a chain of extra attacks. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 9, 2021 2:16:19 GMT
Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus, Mannerheim is in no way a bad general, he just isn't great. Agreed, Yamashita is a better pick but as a second infantry gen for Axis, he is real good. I don't call doubling your dmg and being able to one-shot double stacked infantry garbage. A green rank is what he deserves Extra 24% damage on infantry isn’t really that much honestly. And when Mannerheim encounters a tank he will kind of suck. I am not personally a fan as buying a general with 4 infantry stars 2 movement stars and sniper isn’t really a good bargain for me. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 9, 2021 2:20:08 GMT
PattonLooks Shiny doesn’t he? Well I mean, he is pretty good. The problem is accuracy strike is a pretty useless skill as it is much better to kill a unit with a special force entirely, rather than just damage their special force. Blitzkrieg is only really useful on medium tanks. Pretty negligible on heavy tanks as they have ranged attack. Panzer Leader is fantastic on heavy tanks, but it is also low level. Overall, Patton is basically Montgomery with Blitzkrieg. Considering he is unlocked super late in the game, I don’t honestly think he is all that. I’d get Monty, Rokossovsky, or Vatutin I think Patton deserves pink. Accuracy strike isn't a useless skill because it is useful against enemies with multiple stacks, where it's easier to kill their special force rather than the unit itself. Special forces grant attack and defense bonuses, which is why getting rid of them can make killing a unit much easier. There are plenty of special forces that are troublesome on units with multiple stacks due to their special abilities: 1. Those that take less damage from air attacks and artillery 2. Those that do more damage against infantry and tanks 3. Those that ignore 50% of your defense 4. Those with increased crit chance Yes, Patton's blitzkreig makes him better on medium tanks, but is that really a bad thing? It means that you can have a good medium tank user in a situation where you don't have enough heavy tanks for your generals. Panzer Leader is still useful for improving the consistency of extra attacks for medium tanks, even if it's only a 12% chance. Also, Patton has blitzkrieg, which will allow him to not wear himself down too much when he does a chain of extra attacks. Patton might be blue. But personally, I think Monty is a better choice. Because he knows what he is, a heavy tank general. As for a medium tanker, patton is fast and has maxed blitzkrieg. But vatutin’s output is much higher. And there is also the issue that Patton is unlocked extremely late by which point you have a few tankers. I don’t find accuracy strike particularly good, panzer leader lvl 1 is ok, and blitzkrieg is great for medium tanks but worseless for heavy. |
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Post by Don Quixote de la Mancha on Apr 9, 2021 2:33:10 GMT
Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus , Mannerheim is in no way a bad general, he just isn't great. Agreed, Yamashita is a better pick but as a second infantry gen for Axis, he is real good. I don't call doubling your dmg and being able to one-shot double stacked infantry garbage. A green rank is what he deserves Extra 24% damage on infantry isn’t really that much honestly. And when Mannerheim encounters a tank he will kind of suck. I am not personally a fan as buying a general with 4 infantry stars 2 movement stars and sniper isn’t really a good bargain for me. I get that but say you have the SP White Death, 24%+55%=79% and if it's an infantry unit with a special unit, it turns from 79% to 109%. I have seen dmg totals of 162 dmg in one shot, I wouldn't call that bad although it is true it only applies to some units, in Challenge mode he rips and as a second ingantry gen, he is unequalled (unless one has Eisenhower) |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 9, 2021 3:01:04 GMT
I think Patton deserves pink. Accuracy strike isn't a useless skill because it is useful against enemies with multiple stacks, where it's easier to kill their special force rather than the unit itself. Special forces grant attack and defense bonuses, which is why getting rid of them can make killing a unit much easier. There are plenty of special forces that are troublesome on units with multiple stacks due to their special abilities: 1. Those that take less damage from air attacks and artillery 2. Those that do more damage against infantry and tanks 3. Those that ignore 50% of your defense 4. Those with increased crit chance Yes, Patton's blitzkreig makes him better on medium tanks, but is that really a bad thing? It means that you can have a good medium tank user in a situation where you don't have enough heavy tanks for your generals. Panzer Leader is still useful for improving the consistency of extra attacks for medium tanks, even if it's only a 12% chance. Also, Patton has blitzkrieg, which will allow him to not wear himself down too much when he does a chain of extra attacks. Patton might be blue. But personally, I think Monty is a better choice. Because he knows what he is, a heavy tank general. As for a medium tanker, patton is fast and has maxed blitzkrieg. But vatutin’s output is much higher. And there is also the issue that Patton is unlocked extremely late by which point you have a few tankers. I don’t find accuracy strike particularly good, panzer leader lvl 1 is ok, and blitzkrieg is great for medium tanks but worseless for heavy. Patton knows that he is a medium tank general as well. Yes, Vatutin does have higher output, but his durability isn't nearly as good as Patton's. Special Strike is actually beneficial to Patton's durability because it is great at removing anti-tank special forces which can do a good amount of damage to Patton if he fails to trigger Blitzkreig. Patton unlocks by North African Campaign, which is late, but not too late in my opinion. You're given for free Timoshenko and Leclerc. These two plus Monty/Roko/Vatutin should be able to get you to North Africa easily. Then, you can swap Leclerc for Patton. Blitzkrieg isn't very good for heavy tanks, but again not every tank general is going to have to be put on a heavy tank. |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 9, 2021 3:12:57 GMT
Extra 24% damage on infantry isn’t really that much honestly. And when Mannerheim encounters a tank he will kind of suck. I am not personally a fan as buying a general with 4 infantry stars 2 movement stars and sniper isn’t really a good bargain for me. I get that but say you have the SP White Death, 24%+55%=79% and if it's an infantry unit with a special unit, it turns from 79% to 109%. I have seen dmg totals of 162 dmg in one shot, I wouldn't call that bad although it is true it only applies to some units, in Challenge mode he rips and as a second ingantry gen, he is unequalled (unless one has Eisenhower) Anyone can equip white death though. In my opinion, Mannerheim deserves yellow, the same rank as Vasilevsky, because according the original post, "Yellow = have some good qualities when given in a campaign, but not worth purchasing". Like Vasilevsky, Mannerheim has good qualities. Vasilevsky is good at fighting in cities, while Mannerheim is good against infantry and at removing pesky special forces. I don't think either of them is worth purchasing though. Both of them don't have similar durability as MacArthur/Rundstedt/Yamashita or similar damage output as Eisenhower. |
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Post by Don Quixote de la Mancha on Apr 9, 2021 3:33:35 GMT
I get that but say you have the SP White Death, 24%+55%=79% and if it's an infantry unit with a special unit, it turns from 79% to 109%. I have seen dmg totals of 162 dmg in one shot, I wouldn't call that bad although it is true it only applies to some units, in Challenge mode he rips and as a second ingantry gen, he is unequalled (unless one has Eisenhower) Anyone can equip white death though. In my opinion, Mannerheim deserves yellow, the same rank as Vasilevsky, because according the original post, "Yellow = have some good qualities when given in a campaign, but not worth purchasing". Like Vasilevsky, Mannerheim has good qualities. Vasilevsky is good at fighting in cities, while Mannerheim is good against infantry and at removing pesky special forces. I don't think either of them is worth purchasing though. Both of them don't have similar durability as MacArthur/Rundstedt/Yamashita or similar damage output as Eisenhower. I wouldn't put him on the same stage as Vasilevksy, maybe a green/yellow would be a better fit imo |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 9, 2021 3:45:19 GMT
Anyone can equip white death though. In my opinion, Mannerheim deserves yellow, the same rank as Vasilevsky, because according the original post, "Yellow = have some good qualities when given in a campaign, but not worth purchasing". Like Vasilevsky, Mannerheim has good qualities. Vasilevsky is good at fighting in cities, while Mannerheim is good against infantry and at removing pesky special forces. I don't think either of them is worth purchasing though. Both of them don't have similar durability as MacArthur/Rundstedt/Yamashita or similar damage output as Eisenhower. I wouldn't put him on the same stage as Vasilevksy, maybe a green/yellow would be a better fit imo I just said Vasilevsky is currently ranked yellow. I was basing my argument on relative strength: Vasilevsky is yellow, so Mannerheim should be yellow. |
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Post by Don Quixote de la Mancha on Apr 9, 2021 11:59:56 GMT
I wouldn't put him on the same stage as Vasilevksy, maybe a green/yellow would be a better fit imo I just said Vasilevsky is currently ranked yellow. I was basing my argument on relative strength: Vasilevsky is yellow, so Mannerheim should be yellow. I don't think Valievsky can give around 100 to 200 dmg in one shot |
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Post by andrei on Apr 9, 2021 12:34:28 GMT
I just said Vasilevsky is currently ranked yellow. I was basing my argument on relative strength: Vasilevsky is yellow, so Mannerheim should be yellow. I don't think Valievsky can give around 100 to 200 dmg in one shot In a very specific situation that Mannerheim can deal such a damage other infantry gen will give a bit less, but in other circumstances he is worse. I agree that ranking him as red is probably too harsh, but You always mention that in one particular situation with a specific SF he can shine. OK, but we buy gens to serve in many various situations. |
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Post by idunnowhattocallthis on Apr 9, 2021 14:05:15 GMT
I think Patton deserves pink. Accuracy strike isn't a useless skill because it is useful against enemies with multiple stacks, where it's easier to kill their special force rather than the unit itself. Special forces grant attack and defense bonuses, which is why getting rid of them can make killing a unit much easier. There are plenty of special forces that are troublesome on units with multiple stacks due to their special abilities: 1. Those that take less damage from air attacks and artillery 2. Those that do more damage against infantry and tanks 3. Those that ignore 50% of your defense 4. Those with increased crit chance Yes, Patton's blitzkreig makes him better on medium tanks, but is that really a bad thing? It means that you can have a good medium tank user in a situation where you don't have enough heavy tanks for your generals. Panzer Leader is still useful for improving the consistency of extra attacks for medium tanks, even if it's only a 12% chance. Also, Patton has blitzkrieg, which will allow him to not wear himself down too much when he does a chain of extra attacks. Patton might be blue. But personally, I think Monty is a better choice. Because he knows what he is, a heavy tank general. As for a medium tanker, patton is fast and has maxed blitzkrieg. But vatutin’s output is much higher. And there is also the issue that Patton is unlocked extremely late by which point you have a few tankers. I don’t find accuracy strike particularly good, panzer leader lvl 1 is ok, and blitzkrieg is great for medium tanks but worseless for heavy. I have both patton and montgomery and from what i can tell patton does more damage most of the time |
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 9, 2021 17:21:54 GMT
I just said Vasilevsky is currently ranked yellow. I was basing my argument on relative strength: Vasilevsky is yellow, so Mannerheim should be yellow. I don't think Valievsky can give around 100 to 200 dmg in one shot Again, anyone can equip white death. Vasilevsky is still going to do less damage to infantry, but he will be hitting other types of units harder. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 10, 2021 0:25:16 GMT
 SlimA cheap general with 5 infantry stars and guerilla. He is a very good alternative for Macarthur, or as a secondary infantry general. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 10, 2021 0:26:53 GMT
 GrazianiIf you want a 3rd axis tank general after Rommel and Guderian, he is a pretty great option as he can defend cities very well. He is much slower than Heinrici, far more expensive to recruit than bock, but can defend cities and factories rather well and has decent survivability. However, I would use Bock and this guy very very far into the game when a 3rd axis tank general is needed and Bock is not able to fill out that role. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 10, 2021 0:29:13 GMT
 KuribiyashiSlow but very deadly. Actually has the highest output of any other infantry general with 3 infantry stars, max bayonet charge, and raider. However, his speed will be a massive issue especially on special forces like the flak. He is a great choice for the Pacific War campaign. |
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