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Post by HangryBird on Apr 10, 2021 1:55:54 GMT
DeversDevers may not have been added to World Conqueror 4 in our petition, but he is instead added to GoG3. And he has good stats and good skills. Knock yourselves out. Devers is the man! I don't think your description justifies why Devers is yellow well enough. I agree with your ranking; Devers deserves yellow, but your description is giving me a different impression. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 10, 2021 12:18:29 GMT
GrazianiIf you want a 3rd axis tank general after Rommel and Guderian, he is a pretty great option as he can defend cities very well. Heinrici Great stars and movement, great price, meh and low level perks. He is a good choice for a third axis tank general if you need one. Tho graziani’s urban fighting makes him a better choice than heinrici, even if heinrici is faster. I disagree with Heinrici's rating. I would rank him as yellow since he doesn't have good enough skills to compete with Graziani to be considered as a good option for a third axis tank general. He isn't worth purchasing when Graziani exists. Victory Rush + 2 Movement Stars vs Lvl 2 Urban Fighting and Lvl 1 Blitzkrieg. I’d say they are pretty close in quality to both be green. And Heinrici is way cheaper |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 10, 2021 12:19:55 GMT
DeversDevers may not have been added to World Conqueror 4 in our petition, but he is instead added to GoG3. And he has good stats and good skills. Knock yourselves out. Devers is the man! I don't think your description justifies why Devers is yellow well enough. I agree with your ranking; Devers deserves yellow, but your description is giving me a different impression. Devers is a meme not a general anymore. Lol. He can one shot a tier 2 guderian on a heavy tank just by being within 10 grids of him. In all seriousness tho, he is pretty good. Not great not terrible. 3 tank stars + panzer leader lvl 1 is good enough for me |
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Post by eeeeef on Apr 10, 2021 12:25:11 GMT
I don't think your description justifies why Devers is yellow well enough. I agree with your ranking; Devers deserves yellow, but your description is giving me a different impression. Devers is a meme not a general anymore. Lol. He can one shot a tier 2 guderian on a heavy tank just by being within 10 grids of him. In all seriousness tho, he is pretty good. Not great not terrible. 3 tank stars + panzer leader lvl 1 is good enough for me Unfortunate that he gets whooped why Timoshenko. |
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Post by eeeeef on Apr 10, 2021 15:47:16 GMT
I really don't get how Voronov and Simonds are able to beat Arnold, Leclerc, and Alexander, the same is true for how Messe got beat by Keitel and Nenonen. Can someone explain the appeal?
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 10, 2021 16:40:46 GMT
I really don't get how Voronov and Simonds are able to beat Arnold, Leclerc, and Alexander, the same is true for how Messe got beat by Keitel and Nenonen. Can someone explain the appeal? I haven’t done the updated ratings for them yet lol. I will definitely take that into account. Simonds is probably getting the green and voronov the yellow |
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Post by eeeeef on Apr 10, 2021 16:42:03 GMT
I really don't get how Voronov and Simonds are able to beat Arnold, Leclerc, and Alexander, the same is true for how Messe got beat by Keitel and Nenonen. Can someone explain the appeal? I haven’t done the updated ratings for them yet lol. I will definitely take that into account. Simonds is probably getting the green and voronov the yellow No even without the HP mechanic I still don't get the appeal. |
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Post by andrei on Apr 10, 2021 16:44:58 GMT
I really don't get how Voronov and Simonds are able to beat Arnold, Leclerc, and Alexander, the same is true for how Messe got beat by Keitel and Nenonen. Can someone explain the appeal? The whole problem of this Rating is that the generals are rated in vacuum. Neither in regards to real gameplay no in comparison to each other. Its just subjective evaluation of the skills and stats obtained by this or that gen. That's why Rundstedt is Purple while Eisenhower is yellow (green in the latest revision). Skills are great, but its real gameplay usability/value is ignored. |
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Post by eeeeef on Apr 10, 2021 16:47:03 GMT
Also, WHY IS ROMMEL FRIKIN TURQUOISE!!?!?
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Post by HangryBird on Apr 10, 2021 18:39:48 GMT
I disagree with Heinrici's rating. I would rank him as yellow since he doesn't have good enough skills to compete with Graziani to be considered as a good option for a third axis tank general. He isn't worth purchasing when Graziani exists. Victory Rush + 2 Movement Stars vs Lvl 2 Urban Fighting and Lvl 1 Blitzkrieg. I’d say they are pretty close in quality to both be green. And Heinrici is way cheaper Let's compare the value of these skills: Heinrici: +6 damage against low morale enemies, Graziani: +10 damage in buildings, 25% chance to avoid counterattack Graziani hits harder more consistently and has more durability. Victory Rush is hard to trigger when your units have low health on a stack, which is going to happen a lot. This means it is easy for your enemies to annihilate a stack and gain morale. Victory Rush is only a good skill on air generals because only they have the ability to lower the enemy's morale enough where they can't regain it fast enough before said generals attack. Thus, Heinrici unreliably gets +6 damage. There are plenty of buildings in every map, except Challenges, that allow Graziani to consistently get +10 damage. Lastly, 25% is still a pretty good chance of avoiding counterattacks, so Graziani is going to take less damage then Heinrici. All Heinrici has is +2 movement. Cheap generals are usually not good investments, such as Heinrici. Graziani is your only option for a third Axis tank general if you don't count Bock, Rundstedt, and Manstein. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 10, 2021 18:52:23 GMT
 RommelDecent medium tank general, but a fantastic heavy tank general. Imo, he is an even better purchase than Guderian as you will be able to get at least one heavy tank per mission sufficiently far in the game. Just use bock on medium tanks. he doesn’t look torquiouse to me. Give me a few days to finish the reviews and I’ll fix the glossary |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 10, 2021 18:55:28 GMT
I really don't get how Voronov and Simonds are able to beat Arnold, Leclerc, and Alexander, the same is true for how Messe got beat by Keitel and Nenonen. Can someone explain the appeal? The whole problem of this Rating is that the generals are rated in vacuum. Neither in regards to real gameplay no in comparison to each other. Its just subjective evaluation of the skills and stats obtained by this or that gen. That's why Rundstedt is Purple while Eisenhower is yellow (green in the latest revision). Skills are great, but its real gameplay usability/value is ignored. Rundstedt will be curved down due to his terrible movement don’t worry. As for the Iap/Non Iap comparisons I will for sure add those to the generals. Actually thank you for bringing that up. A general like Rokossovsky would be massively improved by a Manstein next to him, pretty terrible w/o. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 10, 2021 18:57:58 GMT
Actually that reminds me. I think I’ll fix the guide so its only Tier 3 and Tier 4 generals, and some of the very very good Tier 2’s. Then I’ll finish the remainder
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Apr 10, 2021 19:31:14 GMT
The glossary has been updated somewhat.
Rundstedt has been curved down. Eisenhower has been curved up to blue.
And some of my nonsensical reviews such as Voronov being blue has been fixed. I still think Simonds is blue however, simply as the 10 jungle fighting bonus is quite great imo, whereas Alexander’s desert fighting will be useless in most missions.
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Post by eeeeef on Apr 10, 2021 19:33:10 GMT
The glossary has been updated somewhat. Rundstedt has been curved down. Eisenhower has been curved up to blue. And some of my nonsensical reviews such as Voronov being blue has been fixed. I still think Simonds is blue however, simply as the 10 jungle fighting bonus is quite great imo, whereas Alexander’s desert fighting will be useless in most missions. "More useful especially on Karl" ah yes, Simonds the German commander. |
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