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Post by Port on Apr 12, 2021 19:37:58 GMT
But the siege of Burgos, Iron Duke , you lost that. I'm claiming a draw  What, are you talking about. You were defeated. |
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Post by Iron Duke on Apr 13, 2021 12:21:27 GMT
I'm claiming a draw What, are you talking about. You were defeated. We laid the siege; they withstood our attacks; we strategically withdrew due to other considerations. A defeat would be if I were killed or captured or my army routed like the Ottomans at the Siege of Vienna in 1683, which clearly did not happen, hence a draw. |
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Post by Clausewitz on Apr 13, 2021 14:48:37 GMT
What, are you talking about. You were defeated. We laid the siege; they withstood our attacks; we strategically withdrew due to other considerations. A defeat would be if I were killed or captured or my army routed like the Ottomans at the Siege of Vienna in 1683, which clearly did not happen, hence a draw. Not correct entirely. Wellington was one of the best Generals of the period but he also lost some Battles.He lost: - Battle of Boxtel - he wasn’t the main commander though - Battle of Pombal - 16,000 men against Ney’s 9,340 - Battle of Redinha - 25,000 men and 12 guns against Ney’s 7,000 men and 6 guns - Second Siege of Badajoz - 1st phase: 20,700 men against Philippon’s 4,000 men; 2nd phase: 14,000 men against Philippon’s 3,600 men - Battle of El Bodon - Battle of Aldea da Ponte - Siege of Burgos - 35,000 men, 13 engineers and 8 14-pound cannons against Dubreton’s 2,000 men - Battle of Tordesillas - Siege of San Sebastian - 9,750 men against Ney’s 3,380 men |
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Post by Clausewitz on Apr 13, 2021 15:00:06 GMT
Outnumbered very slightly. Not by 1:2 he was not commanding, it was a Marshal who was commanding the army practically (couldn't remember his name) Battle of Waterloo troops involved French total 73,000, British total 68,000. Did you mean Marshal Ney? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 15:14:17 GMT
he was not commanding, it was a Marshal who was commanding the army practically (couldn't remember his name) Battle of Waterloo troops involved French total 73,000, British total 68,000. Did you mean Marshal Ney? yes, you are right. |
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Post by Iron Duke on Apr 13, 2021 19:45:12 GMT
We laid the siege; they withstood our attacks; we strategically withdrew due to other considerations. A defeat would be if I were killed or captured or my army routed like the Ottomans at the Siege of Vienna in 1683, which clearly did not happen, hence a draw. Not correct entirely. Wellington was one of the best Generals of the period but he also lost some Battles.He lost: - Battle of Boxtel - he wasn’t the main commander though - Battle of Pombal - 16,000 men against Ney’s 9,340 - Battle of Redinha - 25,000 men and 12 guns against Ney’s 7,000 men and 6 guns - Second Siege of Badajoz - 1st phase: 20,700 men against Philippon’s 4,000 men; 2nd phase: 14,000 men against Philippon’s 3,600 men - Battle of El Bodon - Battle of Aldea da Ponte - Siege of Burgos - 35,000 men, 13 engineers and 8 14-pound cannons against Dubreton’s 2,000 men - Battle of Tordesillas - Siege of San Sebastian - 9,750 men against Ney’s 3,380 men All draws. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 1:02:05 GMT
Not correct entirely. Wellington was one of the best Generals of the period but he also lost some Battles.He lost: - Battle of Boxtel - he wasn’t the main commander though - Battle of Pombal - 16,000 men against Ney’s 9,340 - Battle of Redinha - 25,000 men and 12 guns against Ney’s 7,000 men and 6 guns - Second Siege of Badajoz - 1st phase: 20,700 men against Philippon’s 4,000 men; 2nd phase: 14,000 men against Philippon’s 3,600 men - Battle of El Bodon - Battle of Aldea da Ponte - Siege of Burgos - 35,000 men, 13 engineers and 8 14-pound cannons against Dubreton’s 2,000 men - Battle of Tordesillas - Siege of San Sebastian - 9,750 men against Ney’s 3,380 men All draws. Battle of Waterloo? Blucher saved you. If Bluecher hadn't reached in time, Britain will have lost a Future Premier. |
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Post by zink on Apr 14, 2021 1:26:13 GMT
What, are you talking about. You were defeated. We laid the siege; they withstood our attacks; we strategically withdrew due to other considerations. A defeat would be if I were killed or captured or my army routed like the Ottomans at the Siege of Vienna in 1683, which clearly did not happen, hence a draw. If you failed your main objective you lost dawg |
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Post by Clausewitz on Apr 14, 2021 10:06:32 GMT
Not correct entirely. Wellington was one of the best Generals of the period but he also lost some Battles.He lost: - Battle of Boxtel - he wasn’t the main commander though - Battle of Pombal - 16,000 men against Ney’s 9,340 - Battle of Redinha - 25,000 men and 12 guns against Ney’s 7,000 men and 6 guns - Second Siege of Badajoz - 1st phase: 20,700 men against Philippon’s 4,000 men; 2nd phase: 14,000 men against Philippon’s 3,600 men - Battle of El Bodon - Battle of Aldea da Ponte - Siege of Burgos - 35,000 men, 13 engineers and 8 14-pound cannons against Dubreton’s 2,000 men - Battle of Tordesillas - Siege of San Sebastian - 9,750 men against Ney’s 3,380 men All draws. As Nunky mentioned if a commander couldn't achieve his set campaign goals i would call it a lose. Quatre Bras could also be counted as British lose or pyrrhic victory. |
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