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Post by Saltin on May 16, 2021 2:14:53 GMT
Sorry guys,late post, had a very busy week.
Ok, so let's see what we got so far:
+We definitively got interest by several members as demonstrated by this thread.
+We got a name, possibly permanent or just a place holder.
+We got criteria that everyone has to have to get in. (10 guides)
What we need now is:
1/ procedure to get in, it cannot be mail the admin/staff, the group managers has to come from the membership. So maybe post links in this thread and apply to group that way.
2/Confirmation on the name. Does everyone like that group name or should it sound like the original, like Illuminati Redux or Illuminati Reborn or something along these lines?
3/Rough definition of what is a guide for the context of this group. Like should it cover a single idea or should it be more wide in scope and cover at least 2 or so topics? Should there be a minimum length on the guide, like at least 20 lines of relevant content?
So this doesn't have to be super precise guidelines but potential applicants should know more or less what is expected from them.
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Post by Darth Vader on May 16, 2021 2:54:39 GMT
Sorry guys,late post, had a very busy week. Ok, so let's see what we got so far:+We definitively got interest by several members as demonstrated by this thread. +We got a name, possibly permanent or just a place holder. +We got criteria that everyone has to have to get in. (10 guides) What we need now is:1/ procedure to get in, it cannot be mail the admin/staff, the group managers has to come from the membership. So maybe post links in this thread and apply to group that way. 2/Confirmation on the name. Does everyone like that group name or should it sound like the original, like Illuminati Redux or Illuminati Reborn or something along these lines? 3/Rough definition of what is a guide for the context of this group. Like should it cover a single idea or should it be more wide in scope and cover at least 2 or topic? Should there be a minimum length on the guide, like at least 20 lines of relevant content? So this doesn't have to be super precise guidelines but potential applicants should know more or less what is expected from them. Good point, This theard seems like a perfect place for applicants. If you are very busy, do we need a group leader? Grand Moff has been pretty much approved and, I haven't seen any problems against the name. I think a guide should cover 1 or more ideas depending on the guide. Lines aren't that important but, feedback on the guide is. It should also be able to help others. |
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Post by Saltin on May 16, 2021 3:03:57 GMT
Yeah we will make several group leaders for the purpose of accepting applicants but it needs be pretty much an automatic acceptance as long as they met the 10 guides criteria. Meaning no denying membership just because someone doesn't like someone else or anything like that. So to be fair to all: 10 guides=automatic acceptance.
Let's have others voice their opinions on the group name and also about the definition of what a guide is/should cover.
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Post by Darth Vader on May 16, 2021 3:07:05 GMT
I agree to that Saltin. Do you have any suggestions to the group like Profile name color, ideas, or anything in particular? |
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Post by John Marston on May 16, 2021 5:11:49 GMT
Firstly, 10 guides aren't much difficult. And secondly, it would leave out the other contributions like library or newsletter/RP in my case. And thridly, taking the opinion of everyone helps, but if you want that way, then it's fine. But still, the other contributions would miss out. , corruption is not the way to get in this group. I will take out the followers but, this is the GRAND MOFF group. I wasn't let in the Historical Society when everyone else was accepted until literally 3 months later. This is the future of the Illuminati and 10 guides is literally not that hard at all. That is what I am saying. 10 guides aren't tough. The Illuminati had like 7 members throughout the whole forum! Imagine that! Only people who have contributed much or have given good stuff across the boards must be allowed. |
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Post by Darth Vader on May 16, 2021 5:23:11 GMT
John Marston, any more changes would have you or someone else complaining about how you can't get in. If I made it harder, someone would complain about how they don't care for the majority.
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Post by John Marston on May 16, 2021 5:24:54 GMT
Yeah we will make several group leaders for the purpose of accepting applicants but it needs be pretty much an automatic acceptance as long as they met the 10 guides criteria. Meaning no denying membership just because someone doesn't like someone else or anything like that. So to be fair to all: 10 guides=automatic acceptance. Let's have others voice their opinions on the group name and also about the definition of what a guide is/should cover. , on one hand there is a discussion on this being the future of the Illuminati group and on the other hand, just 10 guides to gain entry? This is unfair for people like me. I spend much of my time in Officer's Lounge because my game - EW4 has lost it's craze and there are very less demand for guides. Making 10 guides isn't much of a problem. I can do it in maybe 3-4 days. But there are 2 problems for this - 1. What about non-game contribution? The EFC Series, Newsletter. You remember the game - Who wants to be a Millionaire? It was a crazy hit (though I am lazy to host it now) and people just literally lined up for their chance. And what about the RP boards? It does attract viewerships too. 2. Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr said in his newsletter that gaining membership in the Illuminati is harder than the moderator group. Just making 10 guides doesn't qualify as the main criteria. If that was the case with Illuminati, there would been many in that group now. This cannot be the future of the Illuminati The problem with Illuminati was that it's entry wasn't clear. It just says "Major forum Contributors". So to have a clear entry criteria, we must have a point based system. This is my opinion and if the criteria "10 guides" still stay, then I am against it. |
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Post by John Marston on May 16, 2021 5:25:47 GMT
John Marston , any more changes would have you or someone else complaining about how you can't get in. If I made it harder, someone would complain about how they don't care for the majority. But they never voiced their opinion against the Illuminati's tough entry criteria |
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Post by Darth Vader on May 16, 2021 5:31:07 GMT
John Marston , any more changes would have you or someone else complaining about how you can't get in. If I made it harder, someone would complain about how they don't care for the majority. But they never voiced their opinion against the Illuminati's tough entry criteria There is a whole page of people complaining! The point base system is to much to calculate and is unfair to many people. This is a new group, not the Illuminati. The Illuminati died because, of to many rules. This one just has 10 guides,mods,ideas, creations, etc. |
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Post by Darth Vader on May 16, 2021 5:32:57 GMT
John Marston, you even complained about the idea of followers. I could make followers a alternative way to get in but, it has to be 20.
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Post by John Marston on May 16, 2021 5:35:11 GMT
No. I don't think the followers criteria is necessary. I say we must put a point system, like 5 per guide, 20 for in game library, etc. Once done, we must put up the minimum points to qualify. The point system is too complex for a group. It also would not take long for someone to gain these points. This is the future of the Illuminati so, it needs to be difficult but, not impossible. You could have 10 guides but, they may have inaccurate information. To be qualified, you can not have any opinions and, it helps others. A Grand Moff has much power in the forum. We need to keep the follow system to 20. If you have 15 guides, 5 followers will be removed and etc. In this post Darth Vader, you said this is the "FUTURE" of Illuminati |
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Post by John Marston on May 16, 2021 5:37:33 GMT
John Marston , you even complained about the idea of followers. I could make followers a alternative way to get in but, it has to be 20. I think it has to be purely merit based. Yes guides too. I agree, but my point is, what about non-game contributions? And as this is the future of Illuminati, it must be not 10. It must be higher. The 10 guides criteria is like picking a random number as qualifying criteria (sorry if I offend you but this is what I feel). And the follower system is not necessary |
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Post by Warlord247 on May 16, 2021 5:37:35 GMT
I'm sorry Vader, but I do agree with Napolean on this one. If people complain, then let them. If this is supposed to be the best of the best, then such a low bar to entry doesn't make sense. Of course people will complain. But those who want it will push for it. That's the point of the group is it not? To be the best member you can be, and therefore have contributed much more than the average user? I dont wish to offend you, simply offering discourse.
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Post by Darth Vader on May 16, 2021 5:38:03 GMT
John Marston,there is nothing I can to make everyone happy. If it make harder, people will complain. If I make it easier, people will complain. That was before I realized how many demands I received.
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Post by Darth Vader on May 16, 2021 5:41:13 GMT
John Marston , you even complained about the idea of followers. I could make followers a alternative way to get in but, it has to be 20. I think it has to be purely merit based. Yes guides too. I agree, but my point is, what about non-game contributions? And as this is the future of Illuminati, it must be not 10. It must be higher. The 10 guides criteria is like picking a random number as qualifying criteria (sorry if I offend you but this is what I feel). And the follower system is not necessary You guys keep changing your minds! Alright then, if you want it hard than, I will make it hard! 30 Guides or 50 followers or 2 Staff messages improving you! In return, the name will glow like the Illuminati. Does this finally fitful your needs? I can make it harder if you need too. |
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