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Post by littlecorporal on Jun 22, 2021 12:42:56 GMT
"When you assume IAP, we must also assume more slots. With more slots, unfocused generals - you call them hybrids, are not needed when you can have a better specialist. During a conquest you cant change the unit." I don't understand this.
IAPs are more expensive so if you are willing to spend money on generals, you will most likely be adding slots. If you have 6+ slots you don't need many hybrids, instead you should just get more specialists.
Last part I am not sure.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jun 23, 2021 14:07:49 GMT
BrockType of General : Infantry
Price : 6 Emblems
Brock is a bad an unreliable general. His stars looks like he is the brother of Sakurako with specialization in infantry. However, he doesn't have good skills. Banner is good, but expensive. Bugle is a very good infantry skill, but you really don't need Sailor as your land generals rarely fight on land. Assault Art is really unreliable. He doesn't really have place in your lineup and someone like Oudinot or Dobeln is much better.Did you just say mah man Brock, who carried Britain 1812, mah man Isaac Brock is bad? I cri Comparing AI Brock with academy Brock is pure insult to AI Brock. |
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Post by Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus on Jun 25, 2021 10:55:56 GMT
WellesleyType of General : Infantry centered hybrid Wellesley is another good general, however, the main problem with him, as we saw with Murat is that there are better replacements. Why would a combat general need Economic master? He would stay in the cities only for healing. Banner is really expensive. Bugle and Leadership are great skills. But, he has only 2 movement stars, which is very poor. You must admit that with snare drum, he is the best infantry general, and if not that, then the best defending one. Itβs just that there are only 2 snair drumβs and both should be given to cavarly generals |
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Post by Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus on Jun 25, 2021 10:59:17 GMT
ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊLets not forget how high davoutβs damage on a rocket artillery when his assualt art triggers is. Man will break triple digits easily. Finally, Nelson is an absolute beast artillery general that is very unique and offers none of the qualities others do. He is fast, hard hitting, best survivability by far, and has very good navy potential right out of the box. I would take him over isabella any day of the week. Why get Moreau when for 2 more emblems you get Moreau on steroids.
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Jun 25, 2021 12:01:37 GMT
ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊLets not forget how high davoutβs damage on a rocket artillery when his assualt art triggers is. Man will break triple digits easily. Finally, Nelson is an absolute beast artillery general that is very unique and offers none of the qualities others do. He is fast, hard hitting, best survivability by far, and has very good navy potential right out of the box. I would take him over isabella any day of the week. Why get Moreau when for 2 more emblems you get Moreau on steroids. I know, you rate Davout also Viola, but you are not item swapping, so I can understand this. Why I started to discuss is the ranking: Davout La Salle MoreauWe know: On russian or ottoman Siege Artillery, against forts in 1798, Davout can get the highest DMG in the game, when his AA tiggers. Wow! But very situational. I will assume for my analysis (Davout + 1 Movement) this is indispensable to make him comparable (1,4,7 for Cav and Art). Davout is a fantastic starting general, but he can never reach the average of La Salle or Moreaut. Mid game he will hit on average less than untrained Sakurako. AssultArt + Spy - is this more than SiegeMaster + Spy, I don't think so, so even the first free princess is better. If you swap items, how you can compare a Davout, without any evasion skills, 3+1 movement + 3 class - with one of the specialists - he needs AA tiggering to come close to their output. Geography is a good skill for ingame generals or for a non-item-swapping challenge player. For HQ-generals, geography it useless, once you got your first item, the war horse, to share. As we talk now @falloutfanbou2277, I have one question: What is with Kosciuszko as Economy general  - I always have seen it as a Running Gag like: The Great Kahia, but I read this so many times, even like serious - can you explain why he is named as econ general (with 2β) ? |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jun 25, 2021 14:10:16 GMT
ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ, when I think of an economy gen, I am thinking not of their trading stars. Those are for business generals, but econ gens IMO have Economic Expert and Architecture, no matter their trader ability.
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Jun 25, 2021 15:23:56 GMT
ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ, when I think of an economy gen, I am thinking not of their trading stars. Those are for business generals, but econ gens IMO have Economic Expert and Architecture, no matter their trader ability. Yes, but Kosciuszko has only Architecture. No Economic Expert or Master. He costs more than 400π more than Ferdinando - with the Napoleonic code in a city even Kahia is a alternaive to Kosciuszko. A good Econ general needs trading stars to Exchange ressources. This is most important. Econ skills and Value: - Achitecture
- Can be used twice a round and gives 52π° per round extra. But only in the beginning, later there is nothing to upgrade. Lets say
+500π° over a conquest. - Economic Master
- or a Napoleonic code, in Vienna, gives circa 100π° per round extra. This sums up to:
+3 000 / +4 000 π° over a conquest. - Trading β
- Trading π° to π§ Kosciuszko will loose more than 50% each exchange:
-5450π° for one full exchange and your score is wrecked.
A Econ general can be really usefull. Kosciuszko as Econ general? I don't get the joke - For me never. |
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Post by Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus on Jun 26, 2021 11:09:16 GMT
ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊLets not forget how high davoutβs damage on a rocket artillery when his assualt art triggers is. Man will break triple digits easily. Finally, Nelson is an absolute beast artillery general that is very unique and offers none of the qualities others do. He is fast, hard hitting, best survivability by far, and has very good navy potential right out of the box. I would take him over isabella any day of the week. Why get Moreau when for 2 more emblems you get Moreau on steroids. I know, you rate Davout also Viola, but you are not item swapping, so I can understand this. Why I started to discuss is the ranking: Davout La Salle MoreauWe know: On russian or ottoman Siege Artillery, against forts in 1798, Davout can get the highest DMG in the game, when his AA tiggers. Wow! But very situational. I will assume for my analysis (Davout + 1 Movement) this is indispensable to make him comparable (1,4,7 for Cav and Art). Davout is a fantastic starting general, but he can never reach the average of La Salle or Moreaut. Mid game he will hit on average less than untrained Sakurako. AssultArt + Spy - is this more than SiegeMaster + Spy, I don't think so, so even the first free princess is better. If you swap items, how you can compare a Davout, without any evasion skills, 3+1 movement + 3 class - with one of the specialists - he needs AA tiggering to come close to their output. Geography is a good skill for ingame generals or for a non-item-swapping challenge player. For HQ-generals, geography it useless, once you got your first item, the war horse, to share. As we talk now @falloutfanbou2277, I have one question: What is with Kosciuszko as Economy general - I always have seen it as a Running Gag like: The Great Kahia, but I read this so many times, even like serious - can you explain why he is named as econ general (with 2β) ? Thatβs just my opinion. In my opinion, Moreau is an awful buy because I think Scharnhorst is actually better. I would take an extra training star over explosive anyday of the week, even if Scharnhorst needs an oak wheel. Plus Scharnhorst is an amazing price performer so barely any medals are lost in purchasing him as he is a trainer. Lassalle is way better than Moreau. But still, 1 training star? Really. What do you do if your Lassalle is low on health? Retreat him for 5 or so rounds? Or suicide him into a strong general. For the same price, Dombrowski has 2 more training stars and defense art to help out his survivability. He also has 3 trading stars. So he ultimately is a far better purchase. I donβt find Golitskyn that great as well for his lack of training stars, so he is a meh purchase. If you only want one iap, Davout is one of the best. He is a good general at two of the most important units in the game. I donβt item swap, so his geography is invaluable. And surprise/explosive + assualt art results in him absolutely destroying very tough opponents such as suvorov in the right terrain. The only thing he is meh at is capturing cities, but then again he has the speed advantage to other iaps. Only Radetsky holds a candle to him in the convenience category. I make the cavarly generals I have the βtrading generalsβ as they can get to those cities with ease. Koscuisko + encyclopedia (100% economic boost of city) + architecture can massively increase your economy when playing as smaller countries. Compared to fatimah, he is much faster, has defense art, and hits much harder on infantry. You donβt start next to a trading center in every game. Siege + Spy is better because it is far more versatile. Surprise + Spy is good, but it only really makes your general strong against forts not so much everything else. Assault art + surprise is also a very good combination as if you attack an enemy or a fort in a plain field, say goodbye to them. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jun 26, 2021 11:14:41 GMT
We know: On russian or ottoman Siege Artillery, against forts in 1798, Davout can get the highest DMG in the game, when his AA tiggers. Wow! But very situational. As we talk now @falloutfanbou2277, I have one question: What is with Kosciuszko as Economy general - I always have seen it as a Running Gag like: The Great Kahia, but I read this so many times, even like serious - can you explain why he is named as econ general (with 2β) ? I think you meant Murat instead of Davout for highest damage. There's no way Davout can achieve it as he doesn't have Spy. Kosciuszko is regarded as an econ general because people generally don't care about trading stars or Economic Master/Expert when they are evaluating econ generals. Stars can be regrouped and Napoleonic Code is strictly better than Economic Master. That makes Architecture the only economic skill that matters. |
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Post by littlecorporal on Jun 26, 2021 11:33:53 GMT
Well, those people are wrong.
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Post by John Marston on Jun 26, 2021 11:38:34 GMT
Well, those people are wrong. Oof. I think I get you  |
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Jun 26, 2021 13:39:28 GMT
We know: On russian or ottoman Siege Artillery, against forts in 1798, Davout can get the highest DMG in the game, when his AA tiggers. Wow! But very situational. As we talk now Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus, I have one question: What is with Kosciuszko as Economy general - I always have seen it as a Running Gag like: The Great Kahia, but I read this so many times, even like serious - can you explain why he is named as econ general (with 2β) ? I think you meant Murat instead of Davout for highest damage. There's no way Davout can achieve it as he doesn't have Spy. Kosciuszko is regarded as an econ general because people generally don't care about trading stars or Economic Master/Expert when they are evaluating econ generals. Stars can be regrouped and Napoleonic Code is strictly better than Economic Master. That makes Architecture the only economic skill that matters. Oh yes, you are right Erich von Manstein. I mixed somehow Murat and his AA and Davout - ups. This makes things even wronger for Davout: - he never can reach the output of the specialists La Salle or Moreau, has less movement from the beginning and no evasion skills. He can't be green for 8  Thank you for your explanations to Kosciuszko. I really could never get this before. If it's only the Architect Skill that counts, I prefer to build one Frigatte less, and use a decent general instead. If I meet Kosciuszko in the Bar I always hire him! For my headquarter he is much too expensive from the beginning, needs business trainers and the Napoleonic code, and even full developed he offers pretty nothing. But he is one of the best Fort-generals I believe. β |
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Post by Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus on Jun 26, 2021 13:44:49 GMT
As for Koscuisko, you only need him very far in the game because you do have fatimah early on. But late game, he is better than fatimah with napoleonic code. He even generates 20% more money. And he is a hex faster with boots.
Murat is just ok as an iap. I wasnβt blown away when I used him, nor was I disappointed. He was kind of in the middle. Tho he can attack multiple forts in a turn which is nice, but sophia is if anything better than murat even on cavarly thanks to siege.
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Post by ππ³π°π΅π΄π¬πΊ on Jun 26, 2021 15:14:23 GMT
I know, you rate Davout also Viola, but you are not item swapping, so I can understand this. Why I started to discuss is the ranking: Davout La Salle MoreauWe know: On russian or ottoman Siege Artillery, against forts in 1798, Davout can get the highest DMG in the game, when his AA tiggers. Wow! But very situational. I will assume for my analysis (Davout + 1 Movement) this is indispensable to make him comparable (1,4,7 for Cav and Art). Davout is a fantastic starting general, but he can never reach the average of La Salle or Moreaut. Mid game he will hit on average less than untrained Sakurako. AssultArt + Spy - is this more than SiegeMaster + Spy, I don't think so, so even the first free princess is better. If you swap items, how you can compare a Davout, without any evasion skills, 3+1 movement + 3 class - with one of the specialists - he needs AA tiggering to come close to their output. Geography is a good skill for ingame generals or for a non-item-swapping challenge player. For HQ-generals, geography it useless, once you got your first item, the war horse, to share. As we talk now @falloutfanbou2277, I have one question: What is with Kosciuszko as Economy general - I always have seen it as a Running Gag like: The Great Kahia, but I read this so many times, even like serious - can you explain why he is named as econ general (with 2β) ? Thatβs just my opinion. In my opinion, Moreau is an awful buy because I think Scharnhorst is actually better. I would take an extra training star over explosive anyday of the week, even if Scharnhorst needs an oak wheel. Plus Scharnhorst is an amazing price performer so barely any medals are lost in purchasing him as he is a trainer. Lassalle is way better than Moreau. But still, 1 training star? Really. What do you do if your Lassalle is low on health? Retreat him for 5 or so rounds? Or suicide him into a strong general. For the same price, Dombrowski has 2 more training stars and defense art to help out his survivability. He also has 3 trading stars. So he ultimately is a far better purchase. I donβt find Golitskyn that great as well for his lack of training stars, so he is a meh purchase. If you only want one iap, Davout is one of the best. He is a good general at two of the most important units in the game. I donβt item swap, so his geography is invaluable. And surprise/explosive + assualt art results in him absolutely destroying very tough opponents such as suvorov in the right terrain. The only thing he is meh at is capturing cities, but then again he has the speed advantage to other iaps. Only Radetsky holds a candle to him in the convenience category. I make the cavarly generals I have the βtrading generalsβ as they can get to those cities with ease. Koscuisko + encyclopedia (100% economic boost of city) + architecture can massively increase your economy when playing as smaller countries. Compared to fatimah, he is much faster, has defense art, and hits much harder on infantry. You donβt start next to a trading center in every game. Siege + Spy is better because it is far more versatile. Surprise + Spy is good, but it only really makes your general strong against forts not so much everything else. Assault art + surprise is also a very good combination as if you attack an enemy or a fort in a plain field, say goodby to them. I learned so much with our discussions Friedrich βFried Riceβ Paulus. You explained so good how and why you rate the gens: For your not-swapping playstyle, geography is one of, if not the, best skills for artillery and cavalery. This in mind, I can follow your ratings. Scharnhorst is a better price-performer than Moreau, I remember your evaluation, and I full agree. I didn't mention this, because John Marston wanted a, primary quality evaluation. Later conquests have a lot of forts with terrain evasion. This + Hidden evasion make out of Spy's +50% against forts, something about +10% - +20% against forts, and a big -x% against all non forts. We evaluate the skill combinations equal, but even the good combination of Spy + SiegeMaster is less than strike or accurate. Siege Master works imo not against terrain evasion in any case. Not on forts and even not cities - you can't see terrain evasion on utillities: cities, factories, stables - it shows ony defense bonus - look at the hex in another map to find it out. (all + the hidden county-evasion) Davout has not one of these skills ! - only 3 movement, 3Β½β for art or cav + AssultArt + Geography. Apart geography he is in every other aspect weaker. I know how high you rate training stars, so I really keept an eye on it and I came to my conclusion: Training stars for an offensive cavallary general, are useless at least if there not min. 4 or 5. I contolled it - I never trained Lan, Sakurako only barely, but she's always on the bad units. A cav gen is on five ceverons around R7/R8 much too fast already. Another attack with a snair, this is what I do, if my cav is on low health. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jun 26, 2021 16:07:35 GMT
I think you meant Murat instead of Davout for highest damage. There's no way Davout can achieve it as he doesn't have Spy. Kosciuszko is regarded as an econ general because people generally don't care about trading stars or Economic Master/Expert when they are evaluating econ generals. Stars can be regrouped and Napoleonic Code is strictly better than Economic Master. That makes Architecture the only economic skill that matters. Oh yes, you are right Erich von Manstein . I mixed somehow Murat and his AA and Davout - ups. This makes things even wronger for Davout: - he never can reach the output of the specialists La Salle or Moreau, has less movement from the beginning and no evasion skills. He can't be green for 8 Thank you for your explanations to Kosciuszko. I really could never get this before. If it's only the Architect Skill that counts, I prefer to build one Frigatte less, and use a decent general instead. If I meet Kosciuszko in the Bar I always hire him! For my headquarter he is much too expensive from the beginning, needs business trainers and the Napoleonic code, and even full developed he offers pretty nothing. But he is one of the best Fort-generals I believe. By the time people turn to Kosciuszko, beating SNS is no longer their concern. At that stage they would've had a powerful lineup, a good bunch of items, and spare medals to invest in someone like Kosciuszko, who would save them some precious gold or iron in small country conquests. I don't think someone will consider adding Kosciuszko to their lineup for completing campaigns. |
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- I always have seen it as a Running Gag like: The Great Kahia, but I read this so many times, even like serious - can you explain why he is named as econ general (with 2β) ?
