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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Aug 6, 2021 0:05:00 GMT
I just started my first CavCom run, and the further I get in, the more Yi-Sun-Sin seems a necessity. In Industrial, he gets Anti-Archer, which is huge. He offers your Archer for the lineup (you get none for free), and brings out Bluecher's Armor Master and Debuffs early on. In addition, he is very cheap. IMO, he is an excellent buy and a great addition to a CavCom team, arguably more (or less) than Nobunaga. In addition, what do you guys think of Charlemagne? With Shield and Shelter, he looks as if he can Tank units a ton, and his stats are great, too. Or are you just paying for a worse Saladin?
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Aug 6, 2021 0:55:56 GMT
Yi is nowhere near the word cheap. In fact, he is one of the most expensive generals in the game, even Nobunaga is cheaper (if you upgrade Bugle).
Charlemagne, for most people, is just a worse Saladin. If you just need a damage absorber and find Charlemagne's traits attractive, go for Joan. The French infantry generals are really tanky thanks to their traits.
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Post by Voltaire on Aug 6, 2021 1:45:11 GMT
I just started my first CavCom run, and the further I get in, the more Yi-Sun-Sin seems a necessity. In Industrial, he gets Anti-Archer, which is huge. He offers your Archer for the lineup (you get none for free), and brings out Bluecher's Armor Master and Debuffs early on. In addition, he is very cheap. IMO, he is an excellent buy and a great addition to a CavCom team, arguably more (or less) than Nobunaga. In addition, what do you guys think of Charlemagne? With Shield and Shelter, he looks as if he can Tank units a ton, and his stats are great, too. Or are you just paying for a worse Saladin? I haven't tried Charlemagne, but he seems quite expensive and easily replaceable. Also there are a lot more effective cavalry generals than Charlemagna, and a lot more tank units like Caesar, Alexander and Artillery. Yi Si Sun is quite good, especially with the morale decreaser, but I am not sure if he is worth as many medals as he is. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 6, 2021 4:36:57 GMT
As far as I remember, no-one has completed the game with Charlemagne yet. It is always interesting to introduce new faces. He's too defensive to my taste and doesn't have Bravery or Plunder, but I think it is worth trying... He is not the best candidate for an "ideal" cavcom team, but he is not "hopeless" either...
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Aug 6, 2021 7:49:24 GMT
As far as I remember, no-one has completed the game with Charlemagne yet. It is always interesting to introduce new faces. He's too defensive to my taste and doesn't have Bravery or Plunder, but I think it is worth trying... He is not the best candidate for an "ideal" cavcom team, but he is not "hopeless" either... After all he's a purple, way better than the likes of Henry and Batu. However, he also carries the cost of a purple, which makes him less cost-efficient than the blue generals. Who would you choose between Shingen and Charlemagne? |
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Post by stoic on Aug 6, 2021 9:18:07 GMT
As far as I remember, no-one has completed the game with Charlemagne yet. It is always interesting to introduce new faces. He's too defensive to my taste and doesn't have Bravery or Plunder, but I think it is worth trying... He is not the best candidate for an "ideal" cavcom team, but he is not "hopeless" either... After all he's a purple, way better than the likes of Henry and Batu. However, he also carries the cost of a purple, which makes him less cost-efficient than the blue generals. Who would you choose between Shingen and Charlemagne? I agree with your point, I played with Hannibal and he's perfectly fine while being cheap. And many players used The Black Price or Asoka. But if we speak about an attempt to bring a new name to the Hall of fame,I think, the cost is of secondary importance. We just do it out of curiosity. Besides, Shingen can't be used as a tank, and that was an idea of Gerd von Rundstedt. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Aug 6, 2021 11:06:52 GMT
After all he's a purple, way better than the likes of Henry and Batu. However, he also carries the cost of a purple, which makes him less cost-efficient than the blue generals. Who would you choose between Shingen and Charlemagne? I agree with your point, I played with Hannibal and he's perfectly fine while being cheap. And many players used The Black Price or Asoka. But if we speak about an attempt to bring a new name to the Hall of fame,I think, the cost is of secondary importance. We just do it out of curiosity. Besides, Shingen can't be used as a tank, and that was an idea of Gerd von Rundstedt . I see. Just popping up random names since Singen has Bravery and -50 damage against archers. |
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Aug 6, 2021 11:43:21 GMT
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Aug 6, 2021 11:43:21 GMT
I agree with your point, I played with Hannibal and he's perfectly fine while being cheap. And many players used The Black Price or Asoka. But if we speak about an attempt to bring a new name to the Hall of fame,I think, the cost is of secondary importance. We just do it out of curiosity. Besides, Shingen can't be used as a tank, and that was an idea of Gerd von Rundstedt . I see. Just popping up random names since Singen has Bravery and -50 damage against archers. For a great Tank, I think one would need at least one Skill, one ability, and at least Purple stats. I am sorry, but, after one and a half infantry runs, and an Artillery run, my cav gens die much too easily, even Attila. |
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Aug 6, 2021 11:45:00 GMT
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Aug 6, 2021 11:45:00 GMT
You are right. Yi-Sun-Sin has one major downside Blucher does not: not being affected by Commander skills.
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Post by Iron Duke on Aug 6, 2021 12:19:13 GMT
I used Yi in my CavCom team, although the game has changed quite a bit since then.
Atilla, Suleiman, Blucher, Edward
Nelson, Yi Sun-sin
Cleopatra, Khalid/Bismarck
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Aug 6, 2021 12:54:09 GMT
I see. Just popping up random names since Singen has Bravery and -50 damage against archers. For a great Tank, I think one would need at least one Skill, one ability, and at least Purple stats. I am sorry, but, after one and a half infantry runs, and an Artillery run, my cav gens die much too easily, even Attila. Of course Attila will die easily. He is pretty squishy compared to the likes of Saladin and Suleiman. |
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Aug 6, 2021 13:45:13 GMT
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Aug 6, 2021 13:45:13 GMT
For a great Tank, I think one would need at least one Skill, one ability, and at least Purple stats. I am sorry, but, after one and a half infantry runs, and an Artillery run, my cav gens die much too easily, even Attila. Of course Attila will die easily. He is pretty squishy compared to the likes of Saladin and Suleiman. Yes, but I thought his Braveness would help him to last. Eh, now I have Attila, Alex, Asoka, and Cleo to Medieval, After upgrading them to Empire, I'll grind for Suleiman. He seems like a great addition. |
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Aug 6, 2021 13:46:20 GMT
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Aug 6, 2021 13:46:20 GMT
I think I'll skip Edward for now. Suryothai seems like a better him, plus I don't really like his passives or stats.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Aug 6, 2021 13:46:49 GMT
Of course Attila will die easily. He is pretty squishy compared to the likes of Saladin and Suleiman. Yes, but I thought his Braveness would help him to last. Eh, now I have Attila, Alex, Asoka, and Cleo to Medieval, After upgrading them to Empire, I'll grind for Suleiman. He seems like a great addition. I don't recommend getting him early on. He only gets really tanky after reaching 6*. |
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Aug 6, 2021 14:22:58 GMT
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Aug 6, 2021 14:22:58 GMT
Yes, but I thought his Braveness would help him to last. Eh, now I have Attila, Alex, Asoka, and Cleo to Medieval, After upgrading them to Empire, I'll grind for Suleiman. He seems like a great addition. I don't recommend getting him early on. He only gets really tanky after reaching 6*. He isn't as Tanky, but before then, he's like the one good Cav gen before Gunpowder. He also has the most Infantry-like stats, with an emphasis on HP and Defense, or so it seems from here. |
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