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Post by Thortilla on Sept 5, 2021 0:39:45 GMT
Put the generals you think are underrated and Overrated tooo:
I have 3 underrated
Jebe: if you do an Archcom It is essential. and if you don't want to spend at Nobunaga. Is the best option.
Koxinga: Li Shimin but Cheap and Pretty
Jhansi: 15% of Life Regen and A lot of Damage. Good Combination. Maybe a Secondary Gen.
Overrated:
Caesar….Cure Master sucks. Change my Mind.
Suleiman…….Expensive,Bad Skill (Assault Master and Defense Master….Change My Mind) but Good Damage.
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Post by mayankshadow on Sept 5, 2021 3:39:20 GMT
Quiet true
But who cares till we can afford gold😁
I personally think jebe is better than nobby if u dont have some glitched medals.(and i have 21k😁😢)
Jhansi however is not good.
Koxinga has quiet low output and with nap only li fits.
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Post by mayankshadow on Sept 5, 2021 3:40:51 GMT
Wht u said about Caesar and Sulieman is true but some people like them cause u can use aegis and other abilities without worrying about there actual abilities which get rusty on later stages
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Post by YDE on Sept 5, 2021 4:26:33 GMT
Underrated:
Richard: Overshadowed by his comrades Bobby, Alex, and Ceaser. He has incredible traits at red star and logistics are really nice to have, alone with rumor. Can take a hit and rumor the enemy overpowered general if lucky
Any of the awakened general forms: I have yet to truly give them love, but I think they can really do some good things if you put their mediocre at best stats aside
And I agree with you on Jebe
Overrated:
Honestly, imo any general CAN be good if given the right abilities and traits. Look at the awakened generals. They gave previously unviable generals a well needed buff. Leonodis, one of the worst generals in the game, now can put up a fight if given love and attention. There really isn't any overrated general imo. Every general has their strengths and weaknesses.
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Post by Voltaire on Sept 5, 2021 22:20:02 GMT
Put the generals you think are underrated and Overrated tooo: I have 3 underrated Jebe: if you do an Archcom It is essential. and if you don't want to spend at Nobunaga. Is the best option. Koxinga: Li Shimin but Cheap and Pretty Jhansi: 15% of Life Regen and A lot of Damage. Good Combination. Maybe a Secondary Gen. Overrated: Caesar….Cure Master sucks. Change my Mind. Suleiman…….Expensive,Bad Skill (Assault Master and Defense Master….Change My Mind) but Good Damage. I feel Caesar is one of the best generals in the game, regardless of Cure Master. At lvl 6, he is both an infantry and archer killer and with braveness he can go against cavalry as well. |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Sept 6, 2021 13:59:53 GMT
Thortilla, Logistics is a very important skill for surviving in the field, especially in the endgame when you will be faced with enemies you simply cannot overpower with gens from the next age. Being able to recover large amounts of HP back is vital and preferably. Li Shimin can solo Empire mode, unless surrounded and overpowered, because he can easily recover his HP within a few turns or battles. Koxinga performs optimally at sea and his HP will be worn away over time without a guaranteed means of recovery. At lvl 10, Logistics is guaranteed upon defeating a unit, but Navigation's rumour effect is still chance based. Under the best case scenario, you're more better off trying to recover HP and preserve a gen rather than stun an enemy for 1-2 turns and be worn doen.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Sept 6, 2021 14:31:30 GMT
@hortatio, Logistics is a very important skill for surviving in the field, especially in the endgame when you will be faced with enemies you simply cannot overpower with gens from the next age. Being able to recover large amounts of HP back is vital and preferably. Li Shimin can solo Empire mode, unless surrounded and overpowered, because he can easily recover his HP within a few turns or battles. Koxinga performs optimally at sea and his HP will be worn away over time without a guaranteed means of recovery. At lvl 10, Logistics is guaranteed upon defeating a unit, but Navigation's rumour effect is still chance based. Under the best case scenario, you're more better off trying to recover HP and preserve a gen rather than stun an enemy for 1-2 turns and be worn doen. That being said, Items exist, and Navigation is very cheap and Logistocs is very expensive. Plus, with cure gens like Caesar and Mocte and Joan, One can get up to 400 HP a turn just being near them, better than Logistics. Joan is really tough. |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Sept 6, 2021 14:54:03 GMT
@hortatio, Logistics is a very important skill for surviving in the field, especially in the endgame when you will be faced with enemies you simply cannot overpower with gens from the next age. Being able to recover large amounts of HP back is vital and preferably. Li Shimin can solo Empire mode, unless surrounded and overpowered, because he can easily recover his HP within a few turns or battles. Koxinga performs optimally at sea and his HP will be worn away over time without a guaranteed means of recovery. At lvl 10, Logistics is guaranteed upon defeating a unit, but Navigation's rumour effect is still chance based. Under the best case scenario, you're more better off trying to recover HP and preserve a gen rather than stun an enemy for 1-2 turns and be worn doen. That being said, Items exist, and Navigation is very cheap and Logistocs is very expensive. Plus, with cure gens like Caesar and Mocte and Joan, One can get up to 400 HP a turn just being near them, better than Logistics. Joan is really tough. In Conquest, you'd want to be able to solo battles by virtue of strength, survivability or both, especially since this mode itself is very tedious. In Conquest, I can have Li healing back to 100% HP in half to 3/4 of one ground battle from a few well placed shots while Koxinga would still struggle unless he has Bottle of Life, Mystlelainn or multiple items. Logistics can benefit Li in ALL types of battles for practically all occasions when used properly, while Navigation is beneficial IF it activates and in places where it can be used. In slot limited occasions for numerous Campaigns, Empire mode missions and Conquest itself, you may even lack the slots to deploy a healing gen after considering who to deploy to boost your main attackers and necessary gens to deploy for certain scenarios. That further enhances the value of self-sufficient gens, ie. Logistics gens. Medal farming in EW5 is not that tedious, especially since setting yourself up for at least 400 Medals a day is not too hard. Plus, if healing items are sufficient to sustain Koxinga's life, is a long-term and costly investment in guaranteed high HP recovery (Logistics) really so repulsive? You are still paying for HP recovery, after all. Conversely, with my Logistics / Healing item intensive lineup, I don't need dedicated healers. The last time I considered using Mocty for his Cure aura was probably in Discovery Age. Why pay for Caesar the great healer if you can afford another "fighting" gen? Why pay for Koxinga and his Koxinga's keeper (on top of your existing gens) if Li, with the help of your existing gens, can take care of himself? |
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Post by stoic on Sept 6, 2021 15:25:22 GMT
If we take practical questions into account - no-one completed the game with Koxinga yet. And my prediction: no-one ever will  Even LiShimin's fire dragon wasn't OP at latter stages (though I agree it looks pretty damn cool  ), and with all honesty we have to give a mythological or a legendary weapon to him to make him a decent damage dealer. I don't believe that even that kind of weapon will significantly improve Koxinga's performance. |
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Post by stoic on Sept 6, 2021 15:27:30 GMT
Oh, btw, I think that Peter the Great is the most underrated general in the game |
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Post by YDE on Sept 6, 2021 18:17:57 GMT
stoic, Yeah IMO for infantry it's definately Peter, Petain, and Joan. Petain can heal himself if he has to go alone, Peter gets no retaliation at 6*, and Joan is (not as effective as Ceaser or Moct) healer of three. Definately an awesome trio + Joan gets shield (Petain, too) so extra survivability. Though if I was forced between Ceaser or Joan I'd pick Ceaser. No offense to the French savior but Ceaser is just better in pretty much every single way. I can't remember what the other traits were for the three of them, just that Peter gets destroy and Joan and Petain get shield.
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Post by stoic on Sept 6, 2021 19:05:10 GMT
stoic, Yeah IMO for infantry it's definately Peter, Petain, and Joan. Petain can heal himself if he has to go alone, Peter gets no retaliation at 6*, and Joan is (not as effective as Ceaser or Moct) healer of three. Definately an awesome trio + Joan gets shield (Petain, too) so extra survivability. Though if I was forced between Ceaser or Joan I'd pick Ceaser. No offense to the French savior but Ceaser is just better in pretty much every single way. I can't remember what the other traits were for the three of them, just that Peter gets destroy and Joan and Petain get shield. Peter keeps his mobility, and both Joan and Petain get "no fear/no confusion" (don't remember the exact name) trait. Quite useful at times. Especially against mythological enemies like Loki. |
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Post by YDE on Sept 6, 2021 19:42:11 GMT
stoic, I think it's called bravery, which is weird since there's the ability braveness. Though the mythological creature's bravery is different as their attack doesn't go down when their hp drops half health along with the usual no confusion or lower morale.
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Post by mayankshadow on Sept 7, 2021 3:49:24 GMT
If we take practical questions into account - no-one completed the game with Koxinga yet. And my prediction: no-one ever will Even LiShimin's fire dragon wasn't OP at latter stages (though I agree it looks pretty damn cool ), and with all honesty we have to give a mythological or a legendary weapon to him to make him a decent damage dealer. I don't believe that even that kind of weapon will significantly improve Koxinga's performance. You are so wrong. Before i knew the glitch and was good enough at game i completed the game thrice with kox and khalid combo. Koxinga is not that bad but as for the discussion yes he is not as good as li. He is far better then cleo and columbus atleast. |
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), and with all honesty we have to give a mythological or a legendary weapon to him to make him a decent damage dealer. I don't believe that even that kind of weapon will significantly improve Koxinga's performance. 
