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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 7, 2021 13:35:18 GMT
TheEastern army of the Soviet Union dispatches a total of 15 divisions to Vladivostok and 18 tanks
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 7, 2021 13:49:06 GMT
Republic of China, Chinese Warlords, Japanese Pacific Force, British India and free France I Would Like To Be Chinese Warlords I added you. Please read the rules on the first page too.
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 7, 2021 14:20:49 GMT
For fortifications I previously mentioned that this will continue to southern German group you must notice it first I said that our mobilised troops (not troop) carriers anti air gun, and why should a soldier would carry a ton weight I hope you may find it Also I stated our "within our boundary" so our planes not crosses your boundary means no loss of huge planes And I agree that air defence on tanks reduces speed a lot,but new designs like such defences on trucks,you may find it Now you are saying that you don't launch a full scale attack on Gatchina, but how said that! it seems to me that you did it Anyway will you sign a ceasefire with me now 1. Your fortifications continued to the Southern German group, but Gatchina is in the extreme north of your territory. How can your fortifications go to the south of Gatchina then? Besides, it is impossible to build such a long fortification line in 1 week, month, or even 15 years! 2. Your mobilized troops are SURROUNDED, I REPEAT, SURROUNDED. The effect of having mobilized anti-air guns is COMPLETELY negated by the fact that your troops have no space to move 3. If your planes are within your boundary, then how can you attack my anti-air guns? 4. A concentrated bombing attack completely negates the defence of tanks, you must know that offence is always stronger than defence 5. I did launch a full scale attack, but I never sent my northern front into your troops, I only did it from the east, south, and west, as I said in my previous post. My northern front was always doing a heavy artillery barrage from the start. I will sign a temporary ceasefire with you. If your troops in Gatchina unconditionally surrender by the time the ceasefire terminates, then I will allow you to leave with 30% of your troops.
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Post by John Marston on Oct 7, 2021 15:27:50 GMT
Hello, Uhm Can I Join?? Im New Great! A new member! Welcome to the forum and the RP board
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 7, 2021 15:39:29 GMT
Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov , I'm gonna need you to be an arbiter to help me and Captain decide our casualties up to this point in the battle of Gatchina, cause we haven't been able to decide on a suitable value lol. 1. The battle started on October 5, at 4pm GMT. a) 2500 tanks and 25 divisions started an artillery barrage on the Germans' northern front, 390 tanks and 25 divisions moved to Gatchina from the east, and 5 divisions attacked the Germans' rear (I didn't know where it was exactly so I just assumed it was to the south). We also sent 115 fighters which would circle Gatchina but not attack the enemy. b) I had no idea about the total number of forces that Captain had in Gatchina, he later told me that he had 560 artilleries, and at least 200 bombers, 260 fighters, and 90 dive bombers c) I had started building anti-air guns in Gatchina about a week and a half ago, but Captain doesn't acknowledge this.
2. The Germans had built a defensive line from Leningrad to Orsha (which is impossible to do within the given time frame, but we'll ignore this). A typical north-south fortification line would look like this:
The biggest thing to note is that this line does not go through Gatchina, but passes 15 km to its east. 3. During the attack, Captain says that there are heavy anti-tank measures built in eastern Gatchina, which will destroy 12% of all tanks in the area. I think that this means 12% of the tanks I sent to the east (ie. 47 of 390), but Captain thinks that this means 12% of all my tanks attacking Gatchina (225 of 2500) 4. For a counter-attack, Captain used his 560 artillery pieces to destroy 9% of all my tanks (171). Since I had 63 000 soldiers attacking his rear, how many artilleries do you think he should lose, and how many tanks would I lose as a result of this? 5. He also sent 200 bombers and 60 dive bombers to attack my tanks and anti-air defense. Do you think that my fighters should be able to react to this, enter my airspace in Gatchina, and shoot some of their bombers down? Or not? If not, then I have no complaints about this one. However, he later says that his bombers never flew over my airspace, so he should not lose any bombers (despite being able to destroy all of the anti-air guns in my territory) 6. An additional 260 fighters and 30 dive bombers were sent to attack my troops. Do you think fighters should be able to do additional damage to infantry, and how much? Captain says he killed over 65 000 soldiers with 290 planes, which I think is a bit OP. 7. Do you think bunkers should be able to kill 15000 soldiers in one week? This isn't a complaint actually, I'm genuinely curious. I have no complaints about this one either. 8. Captain later says that his fortifications somehow covers the west and south of Gatchina, and that because of this my 5 divisions attacking his rear end up doing no damage. I think this is time-travelling, cause he said he built his fortifications "from Leningrad to Oryol", which does not cover the west of Gatchina at all, even if he did build his fortifications 15 km to the west. 9. He also claims that I should lose every single one of my fighters because of his anti-air devices. How much of my anti-air guns should be destroyed? 10. The Germans started using sirens to attempt to demoralize my troops, but since his army is surrounded do you think that this effect should be negated? 11. Captain says that his troops in Gatchina were able to build mechanized anti-air artilleries. Do you think that, given his army's surrounded, he should be able to even build these artilleries? And how different would they be than typical anti-air guns given that his army's surrounded in a very small space? 12. How many losses would we suffer when my northern forces launched an assault on his forces? 13. I have decided to keep up my infantry attack from the north, but my tanks will retreat behind their fronts to maintain an artillery barrage. How many tanks would I lose because of this? 14. I agree with all other casualties that Captain claims (ie. most losses due to aircraft, and infantry losses due to bunkers)
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 7, 2021 18:13:14 GMT
Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov , I'm gonna need you to be an arbiter to help me and Captain decide our casualties up to this point in the battle of Gatchina, cause we haven't been able to decide on a suitable value lol. 1. The battle started on October 5, at 4pm GMT.       a) 2500 tanks and 25 divisions started an artillery barrage on the Germans' northern front, 390 tanks and 25 divisions moved to Gatchina from the east, and 5 divisions attacked the         Germans' rear (I didn't know where it was exactly so I just assumed it was to the south). We also sent 115 fighters which would circle Gatchina but not attack the enemy.       b) I had no idea about the total number of forces that Captain had in Gatchina, he later told me that he had 560 artilleries, and at least 200 bombers, 260 fighters, and 90 dive bombers       c) I had started building anti-air guns in Gatchina about a week and a half ago, but Captain doesn't acknowledge this.
2. The Germans had built a defensive line from Leningrad to Orsha (which is impossible to do within the given time frame, but we'll ignore this). A typical north-south fortification line would look like this:
The biggest thing to note is that this line does not go through Gatchina, but passes 15 km to its east. 3. During the attack, Captain says that there are heavy anti-tank measures built in eastern Gatchina, which will destroy 12% of all tanks in the area. I think that this means 12% of the tanks I sent to the east (ie. 47 of 390), but Captain thinks that this means 12% of all my tanks attacking Gatchina (225 of 2500) 4. For a counter-attack, Captain used his 560 artillery pieces to destroy 9% of all my tanks (171). Since I had 63 000 soldiers attacking his rear, how many artilleries do you think he should lose, and how many tanks would I lose as a result of this? 5. He also sent 200 bombers and 60 dive bombers to attack my tanks and anti-air defense. Do you think that my fighters should be able to react to this, enter my airspace in Gatchina, and shoot some of their bombers down? Or not? If not, then I have no complaints about this one. However, he later says that his bombers never flew over my airspace, so he should not lose any bombers (despite being able to destroy all of the anti-air guns in my territory) 6. An additional 260 fighters and 30 dive bombers were sent to attack my troops. Do you think fighters should be able to do additional damage to infantry, and how much? Captain says he killed over 65 000 soldiers with 290 planes, which I think is a bit OP. 7. Do you think bunkers should be able to kill 15000 soldiers in one week? This isn't a complaint actually, I'm genuinely curious. I have no complaints about this one either. 8. Captain later says that his fortifications somehow covers the west and south of Gatchina, and that because of this my 5 divisions attacking his rear end up doing no damage. I think this is time-travelling, cause he said he built his fortifications "from Leningrad to Oryol", which does not cover the west of Gatchina at all, even if he did build his fortifications 15 km to the west. 9. He also claims that I should lose every single one of my fighters because of his anti-air devices. How much of my anti-air guns should be destroyed? 10. The Germans started using sirens to attempt to demoralize my troops, but since his army is surrounded do you think that this effect should be negated? 11. Captain says that his troops in Gatchina were able to build mechanized anti-air artilleries. Do you think that, given his army's surrounded, he should be able to even build these artilleries? And how different would they be than typical anti-air guns given that his army's surrounded in a very small space? 12. How many losses would we suffer when my northern forces launched an assault on his forces? 13. I have decided to keep up my infantry attack from the north, but my tanks will retreat behind their fronts to maintain an artillery barrage. How many tanks would I lose because of this? 14. I agree with all other casualties that Captain claims (ie. most losses due to aircraft, and infantry losses due to bunkers) 1. b) Presenting artillery numbers is problematic, because non was given. c) If you can say on what page the post is, then your anti-air guns are viable. 2. Yeah, the speed of building fortifications has been way too high in this RP. But yes, that line doesn't cover Gatchina. 3. Those kind of anti-tank guns are kind of against the rules anyways. 4. Did Captain have only artillery defending or what? 5. The reaction time of fighters would totally depend on them being ready or not, so this is really perpetual. But from my experience, usually in RPs you are able to react always. Also night fighters, radars and scouts were a thing too, so I'd say you can react. 6. Yes, that is a bit op probably. Furthermore, fighters were not designed to attack ground troops, which can also easily take cover against machine gun fire. 7. Depends on the amount of bunkers and attackers, which I am not aware of. 8. Yes, that should have been stated before, even if he meant to build it west of Gatšina. 9. That isn't possible. No anti-air gun can shoot down every single plane. 10. No, it still has the same effect, but encircling and being encircled have effects too. 11. Well, you can't build anti-air guns from nothing really. They're made in factories if I'm not totally stupid. 12. I don't have a system on counting casualties, so I don't really know. 13. You wouldn't lose many tanks, but your infantry will probably suffer more casualties.
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 7, 2021 18:32:30 GMT
1. b) Presenting artillery numbers is problematic, because non was given. c) If you can say on what page the post is, then your anti-air guns are viable. 2. Yeah, the speed of building fortifications has been way too high in this RP. But yes, that line doesn't cover Gatchina. 3. Those kind of anti-tank guns are kind of against the rules anyways. 4. Did Captain have only artillery defending or what? 5. The reaction time of fighters would totally depend on them being ready or not, so this is really perpetual. But from my experience, usually in RPs you are able to react always. Also night fighters, radars and scouts were a thing too, so I'd say you can react. 6. Yes, that is a bit op probably. Furthermore, fighters were not designed to attack ground troops, which can also easily take cover against machine gun fire. 7. Depends on the amount of bunkers and attackers, which I am not aware of. 8. Yes, that should have been stated before, even if he meant to build it west of Gatšina. 9. That isn't possible. No anti-air gun can shoot down every single plane. 10. No, it still has the same effect, but encircling and being encircled have effects too. 11. Well, you can't build anti-air guns from nothing really. They're made in factories if I'm not totally stupid. 12. I don't have a system on counting casualties, so I don't really know. 13. You wouldn't lose many tanks, but your infantry will probably suffer more casualties. Thank you for your in-depth answer to my really long post lol. Here's proof of me building anti-air guns not only in Gatchina, but everywhere else too in my southern front. I started using them on September 30th.
Also I have no idea how many of Captain's troops are in Gatchina. All I know are artillery and Air Force numbers.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 7, 2021 19:23:04 GMT
Hungary does Hungary things, develops a stricter training regimen.
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Post by Captain on Oct 7, 2021 20:44:33 GMT
Isn't that prohibited by the rules Is it? Sorry Didnt Know, I Have Deleted The Post Captain You dont have to reply On That Post Though we are now in opposite alliance but still I will wish you good luck for your mission
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Post by Captain on Oct 7, 2021 20:58:07 GMT
1. b) Presenting artillery numbers is problematic, because non was given. c) If you can say on what page the post is, then your anti-air guns are viable. 2. Yeah, the speed of building fortifications has been way too high in this RP. But yes, that line doesn't cover Gatchina. 3. Those kind of anti-tank guns are kind of against the rules anyways. 4. Did Captain have only artillery defending or what? 5. The reaction time of fighters would totally depend on them being ready or not, so this is really perpetual. But from my experience, usually in RPs you are able to react always. Also night fighters, radars and scouts were a thing too, so I'd say you can react. 6. Yes, that is a bit op probably. Furthermore, fighters were not designed to attack ground troops, which can also easily take cover against machine gun fire. 7. Depends on the amount of bunkers and attackers, which I am not aware of. 8. Yes, that should have been stated before, even if he meant to build it west of Gatšina. 9. That isn't possible. No anti-air gun can shoot down every single plane. 10. No, it still has the same effect, but encircling and being encircled have effects too. 11. Well, you can't build anti-air guns from nothing really. They're made in factories if I'm not totally stupid. 12. I don't have a system on counting casualties, so I don't really know. 13. You wouldn't lose many tanks, but your infantry will probably suffer more casualties. I agree what you say but in 9.dude I never said that also I don't say that Soviet's are going to loss there every single plane 11.I stated that 'our mobilised troops (not troop) carriers anti air guns' did such words really meant that now(during the war) they are going to build those defence guns, if it does then I will regret for that but I really don't meant to say such😓
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Post by Captain on Oct 7, 2021 21:01:39 GMT
Darth Nihilus I joined this RP just to understand the role of leaders but if mine way of playing this, hurts you then I am really sorry for that
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 7, 2021 22:40:34 GMT
Darth Nihilus I joined this RP just to understand the role of leaders but if mine way of playing this, hurts you then I am really sorry for that No, no, I didn't mean it that way, I just wanted to make sure that we were being consistent, after all, I think realism is a very important part of RP. But I'm not hurt or anything, and I didn't want to offend you, so I'm sorry that I may have sounded a bit too serious. I just had some genuine questions about what was happening, cause I don't have a lot of experience with this. This is only my second RP, after all :)
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 7, 2021 22:43:25 GMT
I agree what you say but in 9.dude I never said that also I don't say that Soviet's are going to loss there every single plane 11.I stated that 'our mobilised troops (not troop) carriers anti air guns' did such words really meant that now(during the war) they are going to build those defence guns, if it does then I will regret for that but I really don't meant to say such😓 9. Oh, that's good then, I was really worried for a second cause I didn't want to lose my entire airforce lol 11. I checked your earlier posts, and it does say that you built mobilized anti-air guns, so that's my mistake, and I apologize for that. I just wanted to say that having mobilized anti-air guns isn't super effective when your army doesn't have a lot of room to move
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Post by Manfred von Richthofen on Oct 7, 2021 23:58:47 GMT
After A weeks worth of Relative peace My forces have dug in and fortified multiple cities along the coast and even farther they come in the Defense gets larger Landmines are placed along a line that we call the Axis Line Our panzers are also not included in the defense so Is 20 other divisions (Location) Secret duh and 15 Italian Reserve divisions and 10 of my divisions are going to defend Benghazi we send 9 fighters and destroy some of your forts. (hey Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov u havent reacted to my Volga Line thing yet)
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Post by Creamson on Oct 8, 2021 7:22:36 GMT
from shenyang
20 Divisions go to manp'o
12 divisions head to sinuiju
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