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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 4, 2021 18:27:01 GMT
(TL;DR) Mac ends with 19 pts.Yama ends with 19 pts.Rundy ends with 17.75 pts.Mannerheim ends with 17 pts.Peng ends with 15.5 pts.Vasilevsky ends with 14.75 pts.I agree with this ranking, but I will say that I think MacArthur is slightly overrated (there's no objective way to rate him, really) because he does better on defense than offence. I think he's good at holding cities, but his damage output isn't ... the best thing in the world... Of course, I never bought him, so I don't know how good he would be if fully upgraded Eh, he is best IMO defending with a tank, particularly in Korean War. Just a joke please do not obliterate me. Seriously though, I used him as Navy, Tank, Infantry, and sometimes as Artillery. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 4, 2021 18:29:09 GMT
Let's start a debate MANNERHEIM vs YAMASHITA vs RUNDSTEDT Main Points(other members can propose more points)-- 1.Power(attack) 2.Skill bonus 3.Price efficiency Nah, how about we do a point system for pure endgame value: Star = 1 Mobility = 1 Raider = 2 BC = 1 Ace = 0.75 IL = 1.75 Street = 1 Entrench = 0.75 Camo = 0.5 Guerilla = 2 Elastic = 0.25 JF/PF = 1.25 Rumor = 2.5 Mac gets Raider + Rumor Yama gets IL + Rumor Rundy gets Raider + Rumor Mannerheim gets Rumor Vasilevsky gets Rumor Peng gets Rumor Mac ends with 19 pts.Yama ends with 19 pts.Rundy ends with 17.75 pts.Mannerheim ends with 17 pts.Peng ends with 15.5 pts.Vasilevsky ends with 14.75 pts.1. Street fighting should be 0.5 max. 2. Jungle fighting should be higher, because protection from tanks and artillery. 3. As we can see, the porltentials are very similar, but price hasn't been taken into account. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 4, 2021 18:34:34 GMT
Mac ends with 19 pts.Yama ends with 19 pts.Rundy ends with 17.75 pts.Mannerheim ends with 17 pts.Peng ends with 15.5 pts.Vasilevsky ends with 14.75 pts. 1. Street fighting should be 0.5 max. 2. Jungle fighting should be higher, because protection from tanks and artillery. 3. As we can see, the porltentials are very similar, but price hasn't been taken into account. 1: No way Jose! Streets are great places to fight for beginners all the way up to the beginning of Cold War, particularly for infantry gens whose main purpose is to take cities and destroy the enemy garrisons just outside of that city. 2: Jungle is decent certainly, but it should not be on the level of IL, especially because infantry exclusively get that medal, rather than it being given to Rommel or Graziani. 3: Eh, Mac and Yama are a Raider above Mannerheim, so it is not just about equal, but we can take prices inio account soon. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 4, 2021 18:38:15 GMT
Eh, he is best IMO defending with a tank, particularly in Korean War. Just a joke please do not obliterate me. Seriously though, I used him as Navy, Tank, Infantry, and sometimes as Artillery. Yeah, I do think MacArthur is a good hybrid. But I'd rather have a pure infantry general than a hybrid, I mean, I already have Guderian, Rommel, Rokossovsky, Donitz, Nimitz, Konev, and Leeb, and if I really wanna defend a city I'll just put an armoured car in it |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 4, 2021 18:39:36 GMT
1. Street fighting should be 0.5 max. 2. Jungle fighting should be higher, because protection from tanks and artillery. 3. As we can see, the porltentials are very similar, but price hasn't been taken into account. 1: No way Jose! Streets are great places to fight for beginners all the way up to the beginning of Cold War, particularly for infantry gens whose main purpose is to take cities and destroy the enemy garrisons just outside of that city. 2: Jungle is decent certainly, but it should not be on the level of IL, especially because infantry exclusively get that medal, rather than it being given to Rommel or Graziani. 3: Eh, Mac and Yama are a Raider above Mannerheim, so it is not just about equal, but we can take prices inio account soon. 1. The point system was for pure endgame value.2. No way, I'm wasting the Legion medal for Desert or Mountain fighting. Especially Desert fighting. Mountains are rare and hard to get to. 3. Also, not only the starting price should be considered. |
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Post by Captain on Oct 4, 2021 18:51:21 GMT
[/i] Just a joke please do not obliterate me. Wait! I thought that you are Rundsted, then who are you, Mac Arthur? |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 4, 2021 18:51:39 GMT
1: No way Jose! Streets are great places to fight for beginners all the way up to the beginning of Cold War, particularly for infantry gens whose main purpose is to take cities and destroy the enemy garrisons just outside of that city. 2: Jungle is decent certainly, but it should not be on the level of IL, especially because infantry exclusively get that medal, rather than it being given to Rommel or Graziani. 3: Eh, Mac and Yama are a Raider above Mannerheim, so it is not just about equal, but we can take prices inio account soon. 1. The point system was for pure endgame value.2. No way, I'm wasting the Legion medal for Desert or Mountain fighting. Especially Desert fighting. Mountains are rare and hard to get to. 3. Also, not only the starting price should be considered. 1: That's fair, but still, even later, it is at least worth as much as MF. 2: I would prefer a buff on Grazi's MF than Mannerheim's JF. 3: Of course. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 4, 2021 19:01:00 GMT
1. The point system was for pure endgame value.2. No way, I'm wasting the Legion medal for Desert or Mountain fighting. Especially Desert fighting. Mountains are rare and hard to get to. 3. Also, not only the starting price should be considered. 1: That's fair, but still, even later, it is at least worth as much as MF. 2: I would prefer a buff on Grazi's MF than Mannerheim's JF. 3: Of course. 1 and 2: In my opinion all terrain bonuses are somewhat useless, except for Jungle and ain fighting. Also I don't even have Graziani, maybe I'll get him. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 4, 2021 19:04:03 GMT
1: That's fair, but still, even later, it is at least worth as much as MF. 2: I would prefer a buff on Grazi's MF than Mannerheim's JF. 3: Of course. 1 and 2: In my opinion all terrain bonuses are somewhat useless, except for Jungle and ain fighting. Also I don't even have Graziani, maybe I'll get him. My reasoning on SF is that it stacks with PF, and is buffed by the same medal, leading to a huge +74 damage buff in a city. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 4, 2021 19:05:37 GMT
1 and 2: In my opinion all terrain bonuses are somewhat useless, except for Jungle and ain fighting. Also I don't even have Graziani, maybe I'll get him. My reasoning on SF is that it stacks with PF, and is buffed by the same medal, leading to a huge +74 damage buff in a city. Butwhy would you get PF on MacArthur for example? He doesn't have Raider nor Rumour. |
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Post by Captain on Oct 4, 2021 19:06:54 GMT
1: That's fair, but still, even later, it is at least worth as much as MF. 2: I would prefer a buff on Grazi's MF than Mannerheim's JF. 3: Of course. 1 and 2: In my opinion all terrain bonuses are somewhat useless, except for Jungle and ain fighting. Also I don't even have Graziani, maybe I'll get him. Graziani, skills- machinist(for armored and artilleries), mountain fighting & ace forces It will be useless to use Graziani in infantry, though ace forces will work but the first skill will be sure a garbage And it is also not necessary that we will face enememy in mountains!! |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 4, 2021 19:07:36 GMT
My reasoning on SF is that it stacks with PF, and is buffed by the same medal, leading to a huge +74 damage buff in a city. Butwhy would you get PF on MacArthur for example? He doesn't have Raider nor Rumour. I don't get him primarily for infantry, so I drop Raider. PF + SF + Entrench + Rumor is massive on anyone, and on Inf his IL is added to it. Finally, he is a M. General. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 4, 2021 19:08:52 GMT
1 and 2: In my opinion all terrain bonuses are somewhat useless, except for Jungle and ain fighting. Also I don't even have Graziani, maybe I'll get him. Graziani, skills- machinist(for armored and artilleries), mountain fighting & ace forces It will be useless to use Graziani in infantry, though ace forces will work but the first skill will be sure a garbage And it is also not necessary that we will face enememy in mountains!! What? Graziani is the third (second to Sun Lijen) best tanker IN THE GAME! Why would you use him on Infantry or Artillery except for in an invasion? |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 4, 2021 19:10:28 GMT
Graziani, skills- machinist(for armored and artilleries), mountain fighting & ace forces It will be useless to use Graziani in infantry, though ace forces will work but the first skill will be sure a garbage And it is also not necessary that we will face enememy in mountains!! What? Graziani is the third (second to Sun Lijen) best tanker IN THE GAME! Why would you use him on Infantry or Artillery except for in an invasion? No offense, but your opinions on generals are going even more exceptional. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 4, 2021 19:13:49 GMT
What? Graziani is the third (second to Sun Lijen) best tanker IN THE GAME! Why would you use him on Infantry or Artillery except for in an invasion? No offense, but your opinions on generals are going even more exceptional. Tell that to my 2nd month self. Seriously, Grazi is tied for Roko in third best tank gen. Seriously. Seer. E. Us. Lee. |
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