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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 27, 2021 2:21:17 GMT
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Post by andrei on Dec 27, 2021 7:46:35 GMT
It's no braiber Octavian.
General with commander skill deals much higher DpT (damage per turn during the mission or conquest) than the general without it.
No need to vote)
If You will compare damage per attack than it will be Drussus of course.
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Post by cojoncio on Dec 27, 2021 21:54:27 GMT
It's no braiber Octavian. General with commander skill deals much higher DpT (damage per turn during the mission or conquest) than the general without it. No need to vote) If You will compare damage per attack than it will be Drussus of course. Disagree with everything you do or say. Cheers. |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Dec 28, 2021 6:46:09 GMT
I'm probably in a small minority here, but I even prefer Drusus to Mithridates for a 2 or 3 stack. Mithridates is great at murdering smaller forces, but advantage + inspire = lots of monster crits in all situations. 20% cheaper vs Octavian is nice too.
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Post by andrei on Dec 28, 2021 10:15:42 GMT
It's no braiber Octavian. General with commander skill deals much higher DpT (damage per turn during the mission or conquest) than the general without it. No need to vote) If You will compare damage per attack than it will be Drussus of course. Disagree with everything you do or say. Cheers. Nah. I remember You agreed once 👍 |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Dec 28, 2021 12:09:38 GMT
I would almost put Octavian higher than Mithridates himself. However, Mith's talent clinches it. Still really close. Also, really, there isn't another good Archer. Drusus has one Skill and a Talent and even Surena is better, and Surena is just worse Octavian. It seems like people forget that on strong generals, you don't need Inspire to have high morale. Octavian gets it just fine without Inspire.
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Dec 28, 2021 19:07:02 GMT
I would almost put Octavian higher than Mithridates himself. However, Mith's talent clinches it. Still really close. Also, really, there isn't another good Archer. Drusus has one Skill and a Talent and even Surena is better, and Surena is just worse Octavian. It seems like people forget that on strong generals, you don't need Inspire to have high morale. Octavian gets it just fine without Inspire. It's a nice talent early on, and in spam-fest campaigns where you can get flanked easily. But then again, you have 9 Gold Rings and 1 Laurel Crown at your disposal. |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Dec 29, 2021 6:21:01 GMT
I would almost put Octavian higher than Mithridates himself. However, Mith's talent clinches it. Still really close. Also, really, there isn't another good Archer. Drusus has one Skill and a Talent and even Surena is better, and Surena is just worse Octavian. It seems like people forget that on strong generals, you don't need Inspire to have high morale. Octavian gets it just fine without Inspire. It's a nice talent early on, and in spam-fest campaigns where you can get flanked easily. But then again, you have 9 Gold Rings and 1 Laurel Crown at your disposal. Putting a Laurel Crown on an archer gen seems like a waste of a Laurel Crown though. I have my Laurel Crown and Dragon Tripod on Belisarius and the Commander. Gold ring, yeah, but you probably don't have those to spare early game and they don't let you keep high morale even when flanked. |
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Post by andrei on Dec 29, 2021 6:54:24 GMT
It's a nice talent early on, and in spam-fest campaigns where you can get flanked easily. But then again, you have 9 Gold Rings and 1 Laurel Crown at your disposal. Putting a Laurel Crown on an archer gen seems like a waste of a Laurel Crown though. I have my Laurel Crown and Dragon Tripod on Belisarius and the Commander. Gold ring, yeah, but you probably don't have those to spare early game and they don't let you keep high morale even when flanked. Do not get flanked! Easy. Espessially with Your archer general. In case Your archer general is flanked (unless his name is Atilla) You are definetely doing something wrong. |
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Post by Navia Lanoira on Dec 29, 2021 8:05:01 GMT
I would almost put Octavian higher than Mithridates himself. However, Mith's talent clinches it. Still really close. Also, really, there isn't another good Archer. Drusus has one Skill and a Talent and even Surena is better, and Surena is just worse Octavian. It seems like people forget that on strong generals, you don't need Inspire to have high morale. Octavian gets it just fine without Inspire. Drusus is an early game archer gen because you dont really need to give him items for his skill to make its best use. Thats make him overall. Octavius and Mith are definitely better because of arch comm, and octavius dont need high morale for its max use, while Mith does, yet with an archer comm. these two are end game which can get full potential with items. And they have just their own use. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Dec 30, 2021 2:03:59 GMT
Putting a Laurel Crown on an archer gen seems like a waste of a Laurel Crown though. I have my Laurel Crown and Dragon Tripod on Belisarius and the Commander. Gold ring, yeah, but you probably don't have those to spare early game and they don't let you keep high morale even when flanked. Do not get flanked! Easy. Espessially with Your archer general. In case Your archer general is flanked (unless his name is Atilla) You are definetely doing something wrong. Losing stacks in a head on combat with enemy archer? |
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Post by andrei on Dec 30, 2021 6:36:04 GMT
Do not get flanked! Easy. Espessially with Your archer general. In case Your archer general is flanked (unless his name is Atilla) You are definetely doing something wrong. Losing stacks in a head on combat with enemy archer? You mean fighting against enemy archers with my archer general? I almost never do that. It is totally ineffective imo. I'ld better even use cavalry (if no infantry available and there is no way to avoid battle against enemy archer gen) rather than archer. Archer general is literraly the last candidate to attack enemy archers. And AI almost never attack with archers my archer gens as well. What concerns losing stacks it is also important to control it. I disband my own crippled stacks very often in case morale could be an issue. It's true that archer gen is not the easiest unit to use effectively but it is not that difficult anyway. Well at least that is my playstyle. |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Dec 30, 2021 7:24:12 GMT
Losing stacks in a head on combat with enemy archer? You mean fighting against enemy archers with my archer general? I almost never do that. It is totally ineffective imo. I'ld better even use cavalry (if no infantry available and there is no way to avoid battle against enemy archer gen) rather than archer. Archer general is literraly the last candidate to attack enemy archers. And AI almost never attack with archers my archer gens as well. What concerns losing stacks it is also important to control it. I disband my own crippled stacks very often in case morale could be an issue. It's true that archer gen is not the easiest unit to use effectively but it is not that difficult anyway. Well at least that is my playstyle. Usually you don't want to be flanked, but admit that it's sometimes tactically useful to have the option, and you will lose stacks sometimes (I'll admit I never thought of disbanding to avoid it though). Besides, there are DBs and the AI is dumb. In any case, Drusus doesn't need an item for morale, so while you're using a gold ring to make your Octavian do what Drusus does less well, my Drusus has an extra 15% crit chance. I agree about going archer on archer though, only if I absolutely have to or I'm delivering a kill shot. Otherwise you're just wasting their biggest advantage. |
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Post by andrei on Dec 30, 2021 9:37:51 GMT
You mean fighting against enemy archers with my archer general? I almost never do that. It is totally ineffective imo. I'ld better even use cavalry (if no infantry available and there is no way to avoid battle against enemy archer gen) rather than archer. Archer general is literraly the last candidate to attack enemy archers. And AI almost never attack with archers my archer gens as well. What concerns losing stacks it is also important to control it. I disband my own crippled stacks very often in case morale could be an issue. It's true that archer gen is not the easiest unit to use effectively but it is not that difficult anyway. Well at least that is my playstyle. Usually you don't want to be flanked, but admit that it's sometimes tactically useful to have the option, and you will lose stacks sometimes (I'll admit I never thought of disbanding to avoid it though). Besides, there are DBs and the AI is dumb. In any case, Drusus doesn't need an item for morale, so while you're using a gold ring to make your Octavian do what Drusus does less well, my Drusus has an extra 15% crit chance. I agree about going archer on archer though, only if I absolutely have to or I'm delivering a kill shot. Otherwise you're just wasting their biggest advantage. True everything You said. I just don't overestimate Inspire as I am good at keeping high morale with my gens. I don't use morale items with archers. It is not a problem in campaign and espessially conquest. It is difficult in Hero mode. That's where I use Tripod with Atilla. But in case I don't have Atilla I doubt I would throw Drussus into position where I can be flanked even with his Inspire. I simply don't use archer gens this way. For emergency there is always Oration to use. |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Dec 30, 2021 14:39:42 GMT
Usually you don't want to be flanked, but admit that it's sometimes tactically useful to have the option, and you will lose stacks sometimes (I'll admit I never thought of disbanding to avoid it though). Besides, there are DBs and the AI is dumb. In any case, Drusus doesn't need an item for morale, so while you're using a gold ring to make your Octavian do what Drusus does less well, my Drusus has an extra 15% crit chance. I agree about going archer on archer though, only if I absolutely have to or I'm delivering a kill shot. Otherwise you're just wasting their biggest advantage. True everything You said. I just don't overestimate Inspire as I am good at keeping high morale with my gens. I don't use morale items with archers. It is not a problem in campaign and espessially conquest. It is difficult in Hero mode. That's where I use Tripod with Atilla. But in case I don't have Atilla I doubt I would throw Drussus into position where I can be flanked even with his Inspire. I simply don't use archer gens this way. For emergency there is always Oration to use. True, I probably underuse Oration. |
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