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Post by andrei on Mar 30, 2022 6:05:27 GMT
Only if you think Varangians are at least twice as good as Vikings. Remember having Vikings on Cnut will also buff his Varangians. How do they strengthen the Varangians? Weapon boosts the whole Legion in case there is at least one specific unit in it. Like You have 1 viking + 2 Varangians. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 30, 2022 6:28:25 GMT
Oh. Well then the weapons boost isn't really that strong. So, it's not worth using vikings on Cnut because Varangians are just so much better. Only if you think Varangians are at least twice as good as Vikings. Remember having Vikings on Cnut will also buff his Varangians. I tested both options and, I think, 3 Varangians are better than 2 Varangians and 1 unit of Vikings. 3 Varangians have better defense and thus survivability and charge more often than 2 Varangians and 1 Viking. And the difference in damage between two compositions is not that great to prefer a unit of Viking to a third unit of Varangians. Besides, in this particular case we have to invest heavily in Vikings, a unit almost unusable in other circumstances. I really don't think it is worth to upgrade Vikings if a player already decided to upgrade Varangians. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 30, 2022 6:33:27 GMT
Only if you think Varangians are at least twice as good as Vikings. Remember having Vikings on Cnut will also buff his Varangians. I tested both options and, I think, 3 Varangians are better than 2 Varangians and 1 unit of Vikings. 3 Varangians have better defense and thus survivability and charge more often than 2 Varangians and 1 Viking. And the difference in damage between two compositions is not that great to prefer a unit of Viking to a third unit of Varangians. Besides, in this particular case we have to invest heavily in Vikings, a unit almost unusable in other circumstances. I really don't think it is worth to upgrade Vikings if a player already decided to upgrade Varangians. Vikings will most likely be easily upgraded as it is low tier unit. It is only the matter of gold. And they have a berserker skill (Legion effect) which could be useful endgame? I still think ET will make morale important as this morale gear and morale mechanics right now looks like almost completely useless. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 30, 2022 6:40:56 GMT
I think Conquistadors + Varangians + Elephant archers or Conquistadors + War Elephants + Mongolian archers or Conquistadors + Conquistadors + Varangians or Conquistadors + Noble cavalry + Elephant archers all these combinations have some prospects, imo... Because of his weapon El Cid is an archer in the first place. I think it would be better off to add a Genoese so he won't be stuck in mountains. Therefore, my ideal El Cid would be something like Teutonic + Genoese + Conquistador. If I let go his active then I'll probably replace Teutonic with Mamluk. If I have a lvl 3 Rhinoceros, Mongolian. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 30, 2022 7:21:41 GMT
I tested both options and, I think, 3 Varangians are better than 2 Varangians and 1 unit of Vikings. 3 Varangians have better defense and thus survivability and charge more often than 2 Varangians and 1 Viking. And the difference in damage between two compositions is not that great to prefer a unit of Viking to a third unit of Varangians. Besides, in this particular case we have to invest heavily in Vikings, a unit almost unusable in other circumstances. I really don't think it is worth to upgrade Vikings if a player already decided to upgrade Varangians. Vikings will most likely be easily upgraded as it is low tier unit. It is only the matter of gold. And they have a berserker skill (Legion effect) which could be useful endgame? I still think ET will make morale important as this morale gear and morale mechanics right now looks like almost completely useless. It is good to get free fragments here and there, otherwise upgrading even T3 units is a bit tricky. Just one example, I decided to unlock and to upgrade Two-handed swordsmen because they (I assume) will be available for hire in most endgame campaigns and because (as I thought) it will be easy to collect fragments of this T3 unit anyway. But I still don't have enough fragments even to unlock them! Maybe it is just RNG, but, I believe, it is a good indication that we won't have any easy upgrades in EW7. Well, maybe Legion Brigade is an exception   |
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Post by truhses on Mar 30, 2022 8:38:30 GMT
I'll ask again, because this is important  did I understand correctly that a special item of level 9 increases the attack of the entire legion by 20% if there is at least one unit in the legion indicated in the description of this item. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 30, 2022 8:42:14 GMT
I'll ask again, because this is important did I understand correctly that a special item of level 9 increases the attack of the entire legion by 20% if there is at least one unit in the legion indicated in the description of this item. Correct. |
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Post by best75 on Mar 30, 2022 9:13:40 GMT
I'll ask again, because this is important  did I understand correctly that a special item of level 9 increases the attack of the entire legion by 20% if there is at least one unit in the legion indicated in the description of this item. Correct. I wasn't aware of this as well. Before I was under the impression the bonus attack from level 1 and 9 are added together and the bonus attack only applied to the specific unit, not the entire unit. I blame this on how ambiguous the item is worded  |
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Post by andrei on Mar 30, 2022 9:22:47 GMT
I wasn't aware of this as well. Before I was under the impression the bonus attack from level 1 and 9 are added together and the bonus attack only applied to the specific unit, not the entire unit. I blame this on how ambiguous the item is worded Famous ET's description I have shown the item influence on example in this thread european-war-4.boards.net/thread/17212/morale-use-properlyCheck first half of the starting post. |
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Post by nexttimebro on Jun 17, 2022 7:48:40 GMT
Having newly introduced helmet (+18 inf dmg and +1 lvl of outburst) this discussion is getting actual again I think.
What do you think about 2 tectonic axemens + 1 conquistador. Teutons will generate maximum melee dmg with 100% charge every second turn, and conquistador adds additional +20% dmg.
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Post by generalfeldmarschall on Jun 17, 2022 12:40:06 GMT
Vikings will most likely be easily upgraded as it is low tier unit. It is only the matter of gold. And they have a berserker skill (Legion effect) which could be useful endgame? I still think ET will make morale important as this morale gear and morale mechanics right now looks like almost completely useless. It is good to get free fragments here and there, otherwise upgrading even T3 units is a bit tricky. Just one example, I decided to unlock and to upgrade Two-handed swordsmen because they (I assume) will be available for hire in most endgame campaigns and because (as I thought) it will be easy to collect fragments of this T3 unit anyway. But I still don't have enough fragments even to unlock them! Maybe it is just RNG, but, I believe, it is a good indication that we won't have any easy upgrades in EW7. Well, maybe Legion Brigade is an exception  Got 2 things to ask, First is it ok if I only focus on some units and then scrap the rest for war fragments second is 1 varangian with 2 ravenna crossbow men good as I have seen 600 dmg- Max - 1100 Min - 247 |
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Post by andrei on Jun 17, 2022 13:39:46 GMT
Having newly introduced helmet (+18 inf dmg and +1 lvl of outburst) this discussion is getting actual again I think. What do you think about 2 tectonic axemens + 1 conquistador. Teutons will generate maximum melee dmg with 100% charge every second turn, and conquistador adds additional +20% dmg. 1 infantry + 2 archer units is better setup as he has 2 max level archer skills (with England Longbow and upgraded unique item) |
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Post by stoic on Jun 17, 2022 14:22:25 GMT
It is good to get free fragments here and there, otherwise upgrading even T3 units is a bit tricky. Just one example, I decided to unlock and to upgrade Two-handed swordsmen because they (I assume) will be available for hire in most endgame campaigns and because (as I thought) it will be easy to collect fragments of this T3 unit anyway. But I still don't have enough fragments even to unlock them! Maybe it is just RNG, but, I believe, it is a good indication that we won't have any easy upgrades in EW7. Well, maybe Legion Brigade is an exception Got 2 things to ask, First is it ok if I only focus on some units and then scrap the rest for war fragments second is 1 varangian with 2 ravenna crossbow men good as I have seen 600 dmg- Max - 1100 Min - 247 I think many things depend on Conquistadors. If their level is high enough - I think 2 ranged units (Conquistadors plus Ravenna) and one melee unit (Varangians or Teutons) are the best combination so far. But if they are locked or only recently unlocked - I think it makes sense to use a setup suggested above (2 melee infantry units - Varangians or Teutons - and one ranged unit). Outburst on 2 turns cooldown is pretty much OP, I must admit. Btw, andrei, is it possible to decrease the cooldown of Beowulf's Outburst by using this new helmet? 1 turn cooldown will be absolutely insane |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Jun 17, 2022 17:01:28 GMT
I think many things depend on Conquistadors. If their level is high enough - I think 2 ranged units (Conquistadors plus Ravenna) and one melee unit (Varangians or Teutons) are the best combination so far. 147% if exclude teutons, only 1 Varangians. |
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Post by andrei on Jun 17, 2022 19:01:06 GMT
I think many things depend on Conquistadors. If their level is high enough - I think 2 ranged units (Conquistadors plus Ravenna) and one melee unit (Varangians or Teutons) are the best combination so far. But if they are locked or only recently unlocked - I think it makes sense to use a setup suggested above (2 melee infantry units - Varangians or Teutons - and one ranged unit). Outburst on 2 turns cooldown is pretty much OP, I must admit. Btw, andrei, is it possible to decrease the cooldown of Beowulf's Outburst by using this new helmet? 1 turn cooldown will be absolutely insane Nope |
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did I understand correctly that a special item of level 9 increases the attack of the entire legion by 20% if there is at least one unit in the legion indicated in the description of this item.
did I understand correctly that a special item of level 9 increases the attack of the entire legion by 20% if there is at least one unit in the legion indicated in the description of this item.
