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Post by jonblend on Apr 26, 2022 15:36:16 GMT
zink, JustANormalAccount, I think this what you're looking for (credits to visiel) "I read the information about it last week in Discord, but there is no further discussion, and I am too lazy to verify or ask for it, but if you want you can test for it: "Fun background facts : in the game , units are represented as how many soldier they has ( infantry starts at 500 , elephant has 400 ) . But actually there’s a health system. Each type of unit has a different amount of hp in 1 soldier . This is why elephant is more tanky. Dev did confirm it Actual health of soldiers Melee inf , counter inf , range inf : 55 Melee cav : 80 Charge cavalry: 60 Camel rider : 85 Camel archer and mamluk : 75 Elephant : 100 For references"
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Post by zink on Apr 26, 2022 15:58:39 GMT
zink , JustANormalAccount , I think this what you're looking for (credits to visiel ) "I read the information about it last week in Discord, but there is no further discussion, and I am too lazy to verify or ask for it, but if you want you can test for it: "Fun background facts : in the game , units are represented as how many soldier they has ( infantry starts at 500 , elephant has 400 ) . But actually there’s a health system. Each type of unit has a different amount of hp in 1 soldier . This is why elephant is more tanky. Dev did confirm it Actual health of soldiers Melee inf , counter inf , range inf : 55 Melee cav : 80 Charge cavalry: 60 Camel rider : 85 Camel archer and mamluk : 75 Elephant : 100 For references" oh that makes sense I got exiled from the sever for some weeks a few weeks ago no info on ranged cav? |
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Post by jonblend on Apr 26, 2022 16:24:51 GMT
I'm not there either so visiel is our medium  |
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Post by visiel on Apr 26, 2022 17:53:55 GMT
Yup. The guy who posted it said that dev confirmed it there is a system like that but didn't give out the number. So the guy must do some testing on his own and come up with those. He wasn't sure about ranged cavalry, so he didn't post the number. The guy ID in discord is CatoDaBreado and has several pinned post in "EW7" and he seems to be knowledable. There isn't much discussion/interest in EW7 regarding this topics so you are pretty much see the whole content of it now. I am lazy so just take his number as granted. I am no where near unlocked/leveled all of those end game unit (Not even have enough shard to unlock War Elephant lol) so I am indifferent at doing more research on that "HP" thingy now  |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 26, 2022 18:03:13 GMT
If this was elephant riders then I kinda agree since if a general have outburst on and elephant attack multiple times then the enemy pretty much went into shattered morale(expect for some special cases) Elephants also have a hidden damage reduction stat, I think its 20%? |
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Post by kingbutawl on Apr 26, 2022 18:58:03 GMT
If tests are made on treasures enemy units, the resoults could be wrong. My elephants die as quick as horses  |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Apr 26, 2022 19:18:20 GMT
The importance of generals in ET games is determined not by talents and victories, but by fame in Western society. Therefore, the "celebrity" of the characters, popularity in Western mass culture is much more important than real merit. Therefore, the legendary generals are the "tough guys" Richard the Lionheart, Attila and Arthur, known to the average American teenager, and not the great commander Khalid ibn al Walid, the Sword of Allah. This is main problem in Western society, not in other World. Khalid is better at all. Arthur, Richard the Lionheart, Robin Hood etc Western persons just a fantasy legend, not a real persons at history. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 26, 2022 19:33:00 GMT
The importance of generals in ET games is determined not by talents and victories, but by fame in Western society. Therefore, the "celebrity" of the characters, popularity in Western mass culture is much more important than real merit. Therefore, the legendary generals are the "tough guys" Richard the Lionheart, Attila and Arthur, known to the average American teenager, and not the great commander Khalid ibn al Walid, the Sword of Allah. This is main problem in Western society, not in other World. Khalid is better at all. Arthur, Richard the Lionheart, Robin Hood etc Western persons just a fantasy legend, not a real persons at history. Richard the Lionheart? He was a real person. He fought in the crusades and Britain had to pay a huge sum for his ransom. Yes, historical illiteracy may be mainly in the west, but you have showed that it is not confined there. |
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Post by zink on Apr 26, 2022 19:53:19 GMT
This is main problem in Western society, not in other World. Khalid is better at all. Arthur, Richard the Lionheart, Robin Hood etc Western persons just a fantasy legend, not a real persons at history. Richard the Lionheart? He was a real person. He fought in the crusades and Britain had to pay a huge sum for his ransom. Yes, historical illiteracy may be mainly in the west, but you have showed that it is not confined there. 🗿 |
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Post by zink on Apr 26, 2022 19:59:17 GMT
The importance of generals in ET games is determined not by talents and victories, but by fame in Western society. Therefore, the "celebrity" of the characters, popularity in Western mass culture is much more important than real merit. Therefore, the legendary generals are the "tough guys" Richard the Lionheart, Attila and Arthur, known to the average American teenager, and not the great commander Khalid ibn al Walid, the Sword of Allah. This is main problem in Western society, not in other World. Khalid is better at all. Arthur, Richard the Lionheart, Robin Hood etc Western persons just a fantasy legend, not a real persons at history. What problem? Putting Khalid at tier 3 is a crime (lol) but having a lengedary hero isn't Other nations also had their own legendary figures real or not do you really think this is a "western" thing only? Focusing on your own nation and surrounding nations histories Richard was real, Arthur was not real but his history is |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 26, 2022 20:33:53 GMT
Richard the Lionheart? He was a real person. He fought in the crusades and Britain had to pay a huge sum for his ransom. Yes, historical illiteracy may be mainly in the west, but you have showed that it is not confined there. 🗿 What do you mean? |
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Post by zink on Apr 26, 2022 20:47:58 GMT
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Post by kingbutawl on Apr 26, 2022 21:25:41 GMT
This is main problem in Western society, not in other World. Khalid is better at all. Arthur, Richard the Lionheart, Robin Hood etc Western persons just a fantasy legend, not a real persons at history. Richard the Lionheart? He was a real person. He fought in the crusades and Britain had to pay a huge sum for his ransom. Yes, historical illiteracy may be mainly in the west, but you have showed that it is not confined there. Yes, The British Crown made many italian banks fail back then... |
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Post by onur on Apr 26, 2022 21:38:34 GMT
This is main problem in Western society, not in other World. Khalid is better at all. Arthur, Richard the Lionheart, Robin Hood etc Western persons just a fantasy legend, not a real persons at history. What problem? Putting Khalid at tier 3 is a crime (lol) but having a lengedary hero isn't Other nations also had their own legendary figures real or not do you really think this is a "western" thing only? Focusing on your own nation and surrounding nations histories Richard was real, Arthur was not real but his history is no offense, i think it's a deeply rooted western tradition. you can see it in history books and pop culture, examples of that from historical order; persians (300 spartan movie) huns and attila mongols and chengiz turks, seljuk&ottoman empire since ww1, it's russians all these civz have been portrayed as orc, barbars, uncivilized subhumans, narrative was fight between good&evil, christ vs anti-christ (i remember martin luther used exact same words for turks) so throught the history, any major power/threat from east is portrayed like that. their accomplishments were diminished. ofc no one writes very good things about their enemies but west has good record about creating that narrative every time, convincing themselves to that. today we called that orientalism. i can trust an engineer from west more than eastern one bc of high possibility of better education quality but on socials sciences, history, nope. even sharpest guys are indoctrinated by that tradition&perception. |
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Post by zink on Apr 26, 2022 21:55:48 GMT
What problem? Putting Khalid at tier 3 is a crime (lol) but having a lengedary hero isn't Other nations also had their own legendary figures real or not do you really think this is a "western" thing only? Focusing on your own nation and surrounding nations histories Richard was real, Arthur was not real but his history is no offense, i think it's a deeply rooted western tradition. you can see it in history books and pop culture, examples of that from historical order; persians (300 spartan movie) huns and attila mongols and chengiz turks, seljuk&ottoman empire since ww1, it's russians all these civz have been portrayed as orc, barbars, uncivilized subhumans, narrative was fight between good&evil, christ vs anti-christ (i remember martin luther used exact same words for turks) so throught the history, any major power/threat from east is portrayed like that. their accomplishments were diminished. ofc no one writes very good things about their enemies but west has good record about creating that narrative every time, convincing themselves to that. today we called that orientalism. i can trust an engineer from west more than eastern one bc of high possibility of better education quality but on socials sciences, history, nope. even sharpest guys are indoctrinated by that tradition&perception. You're right on that, basically any nation or people that fought against western civilizations, usually in the east where "the west" ends interesting too, in my ethics class like yesterday we were talking about institutionalized discrimination, basically discrimination but its so rooted in society that people don't realize it |
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