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Post by kingbutawl on Apr 26, 2022 22:38:04 GMT
What problem? Putting Khalid at tier 3 is a crime (lol) but having a lengedary hero isn't Other nations also had their own legendary figures real or not do you really think this is a "western" thing only? Focusing on your own nation and surrounding nations histories Richard was real, Arthur was not real but his history is no offense, i think it's a deeply rooted western tradition. you can see it in history books and pop culture, examples of that from historical order; persians (300 spartan movie) huns and attila mongols and chengiz turks, seljuk&ottoman empire since ww1, it's russians all these civz have been portrayed as orc, barbars, uncivilized subhumans, narrative was fight between good&evil, christ vs anti-christ (i remember martin luther used exact same words for turks) so throught the history, any major power/threat from east is portrayed like that. their accomplishments were diminished. ofc no one writes very good things about their enemies but west has good record about creating that narrative every time, convincing themselves to that. today we called that orientalism. i can trust an engineer from west more than eastern one bc of high possibility of better education quality but on socials sciences, history, nope. even sharpest guys are indoctrinated by that tradition&perception. I don’t really know you can even find where the real West is, man. “300” is more like a video game. You could have remembered the film “Troy”, depicting a sort of West against the East. Every nation has its geniuses and trust me, you can believe in western history tradition (just look at Mommsen or Talamanca). |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Apr 27, 2022 8:20:42 GMT
This is main problem in Western society, not in other World. Khalid is better at all. Arthur, Richard the Lionheart, Robin Hood etc Western persons just a fantasy legend, not a real persons at history. Richard the Lionheart? He was a real person. He fought in the crusades and Britain had to pay a huge sum for his ransom. Yes, historical illiteracy may be mainly in the west, but you have showed that it is not confined there. Over hype person. Maximum bronze general at all.  PS. R1a always beat aggressive R1b.  |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 27, 2022 11:39:21 GMT
Richard the Lionheart? He was a real person. He fought in the crusades and Britain had to pay a huge sum for his ransom. Yes, historical illiteracy may be mainly in the west, but you have showed that it is not confined there. Over hype person. Maximum bronze general at all.  PS. R1a always beat aggressive R1b.  Uh, Richard was one of the best tactitians of the medieval age. Saladin was a better strategist, but Richard could win any battle against him. You want to put Richard and Guy of Lusignan in the same catgory? As for the postscript, I find the insinuation insulting and perhaps racist that one in the R1a haplogroup will ALWAYS beat someone from R1b. Verily, how about Napoleon vs, say Kliment Voroshilov. Voroshilov was certainly aggressive. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Apr 27, 2022 17:03:58 GMT
Over hype person. Maximum bronze general at all. PS. R1a always beat aggressive R1b. Uh, Richard was one of the best tactitians of the medieval age. Saladin was a better strategist, but Richard could win any battle against him. You want to put Richard and Guy of Lusignan in the same catgory? As for the postscript, I find the insinuation insulting and perhaps racist that one in the R1a haplogroup will ALWAYS beat someone from R1b. Verily, how about Napoleon vs, say Kliment Voroshilov. Voroshilov was certainly aggressive. R1a and R1b are same race, like brother's, about what racism we talking? What you say about political colonialism from R1b, trade and use slaves, and aggression to native races in other continents. All this things was been because R1a always beat R1b in they're Crusaders King's, and other aggression acts on East. PS. And always will be, this is fact. Always, at all round in our galaxy, or different if need. Suvorov beat Napoleon, Kutuzov also, Rokossovsky beat Mainstein, Korolev beat Braun, Gagarin beat Shepard, Lunokhod beat Armstrong, even Putin beat Baiden etc... Do you need more lessons in the future. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 27, 2022 17:32:58 GMT
Uh, Richard was one of the best tactitians of the medieval age. Saladin was a better strategist, but Richard could win any battle against him. You want to put Richard and Guy of Lusignan in the same catgory? As for the postscript, I find the insinuation insulting and perhaps racist that one in the R1a haplogroup will ALWAYS beat someone from R1b. Verily, how about Napoleon vs, say Kliment Voroshilov. Voroshilov was certainly aggressive. R1a and R1b are same race, like brother's, about what racism we talking? What you say about political colonialism from R1b, trade and use slaves, and aggression to native races in other continents. All this things was been because R1a always beat R1b in they're Crusaders King's, and other aggression acts on East. PS. And always will be, this is fact. Always, at all round in our galaxy, or different if need. Suvorov beat Napoleon, Kutuzov also, Rokossovskiy beat Mainstein, even Putin beat Baiden etc... R1a and R1b are both "white" races but that does not mean that they are not significantly genetically and culturally different. And to say that western europe has, throughout all of history, been more opressive to the east than eastern europe has, I think you ought to look at significant amounts of history (Crimean War, entire modern history of Mongolia, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, &c.). Suvurov never actually fought Napoleon; Kutuzov did because Napoleon was overconfident and Kutuzov was just a brilliant strategist; Rokossovsky beat Manstein through weight of numbers more then anything else and even then lost a number of battles against Manstein; As for Putin and Biden, we don't talk about politics here but it is safe to say that they have not fought in a military conflict. |
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Post by blueberry on Apr 27, 2022 17:51:52 GMT
This thread has gone way off-track...
I'll just add that genetic determinism is simply bs
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Post by andrei on Apr 27, 2022 17:55:22 GMT
This thread has gone way off-track... I'll just add that genetic determinism is simply bs Ah, I've just prepared some popcorn and soda... |
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Post by blueberry on Apr 27, 2022 18:01:52 GMT
This thread has gone way off-track... I'll just add that genetic determinism is simply bs Ah, I've just prepared some popcorn and soda... Your DNA haplogroup is clearly evil and mean. and I like it  |
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Post by stoic on Apr 27, 2022 18:12:53 GMT
No way they will buff Khalid. Period  I hope they will buff Timur though (maybe even make him another IAP). The guy was a greater war master than Khalid and Richard together |
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Post by andrei on Apr 27, 2022 18:17:19 GMT
No way they will buff Khalid. Period  I hope they will buff Timur though (maybe even make him another IAP). The guy was a greater war master than Khalid and Richard together Well, my pop-corn and soda won't be wasted Take him! |
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Post by eeeeef on Apr 27, 2022 18:20:19 GMT
No way they will buff Khalid. Period I hope they will buff Timur though (maybe even make him another IAP). The guy was a greater war master than Khalid and Richard together Bu-but muh camels D: |
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Post by stoic on Apr 27, 2022 18:23:40 GMT
I think they will add more generals.
We do need a couple of Ottoman sultans for Ottoman campaigns, don't we?
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Post by andrei on Apr 27, 2022 18:28:18 GMT
I think they will add more generals. We do need a couple of Ottoman sultans for Ottoman campaigns, don't we? I won't be surprised if they use Seljuk rulers instead |
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Post by stoic on Apr 27, 2022 18:33:04 GMT
I think they will add more generals. We do need a couple of Ottoman sultans for Ottoman campaigns, don't we? I won't be surprised if they use Seljuk rulers instead Ha ha that will be a nice "budget" decision 😄 |
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Post by stoic on Apr 27, 2022 18:40:21 GMT
Speaking about buffs Edward the III is a silver tier general. Really? The guy destroyed Scottish independence at Halidon Hill and French pride at Crecy. He was the first tactician who used English and Welsh long bowmen properly, building up a whole strategy around them. English casualties in both battles were 100-200 men!!! Do you know many battles like that   Yet no-one will buy him in EW7, because in all likelihood he will be a trash. So, ET games are definitely not a proper place to seek a historical justice. Just enjoy the process, guys |
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