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Post by stoic on Aug 10, 2022 12:27:15 GMT
I am quite sure this bonus is really helpful. The question is whether we are able to make any use of it or not. If yuanzhong (who has more mercenary orders than anyone else I know and who summons fragments more efficient than anyone else I know  ) still has lvl 8 Sepulcher Knights - this fact speaks louder than words And if andrei who honestly is trying to upgrade all available units says that it is difficult to get fragments of them - then it is difficult indeed I'm use them with other melee knights, all them now lvl 4 without problem, after lvl 6 they will be pretty good as for me, it's my goal for melee cavalry now, I don't plan to get Black armoured guards.  PS. My war elephants also only lvl 4, Camel riders and War axes only lvl 9 and 8, knights even lvl 4 better. Well, you definitely should have Hospitaliers lvl 4 (there were many free fragments) and Teutons lvl 4 (if you have completed Barbarossa's campaign). And, I believe, another lvl 4 unit won't help me much. And I don't think that anything below lvl 10 will be competitive for the upcoming content of EW7. So, if I don't see a clear way to get and to upgrade a unit, I prefer to dismantle it instead of continuing to invest in it. If you are trying to solve a problem with only limited resources available - you have to be ruthless and take unpopular measures  And resources in EW7 are limited indeed, especially for f2p players. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Aug 10, 2022 13:25:04 GMT
I'm use them with other melee knights, all them now lvl 4 without problem, after lvl 6 they will be pretty good as for me, it's my goal for melee cavalry now, I don't plan to get Black armoured guards. PS. My war elephants also only lvl 4, Camel riders and War axes only lvl 9 and 8, knights even lvl 4 better. Well, you definitely should have Hospitaliers lvl 4 (there were many free fragments) and Teutons lvl 4 (if you have completed Barbarossa's campaign). And, I believe, another lvl 4 unit won't help me much. And I don't think that anything below lvl 10 will be competitive for the upcoming content of EW7. So, if I don't see a clear way to get and to upgrade a unit, I prefer to dismantle it instead of continuing to invest in it. If you are trying to solve a problem with only limited resources available - you have to be ruthless and take unpopular measures And resources in EW7 are limited indeed, especially for f2p players. ET give for dismantle T6 only 36 war souls, for T2 only 4, coefficient 5, between T2 and T6 coefficient 9, it's totally unacceptable. |
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Post by yuanzhong on Aug 10, 2022 13:52:24 GMT
Well, you definitely should have Hospitaliers lvl 4 (there were many free fragments) and Teutons lvl 4 (if you have completed Barbarossa's campaign). And, I believe, another lvl 4 unit won't help me much. And I don't think that anything below lvl 10 will be competitive for the upcoming content of EW7. So, if I don't see a clear way to get and to upgrade a unit, I prefer to dismantle it instead of continuing to invest in it. If you are trying to solve a problem with only limited resources available - you have to be ruthless and take unpopular measures And resources in EW7 are limited indeed, especially for f2p players. ET give for dismantle T6 only 36 war souls, for T2 only 4, coefficient 5, between T2 and T6 coefficient 9, it's totally unacceptable. 36 = 6^2 same to all other tier. And we need to dismantle 5 fragments to get 1 same tier fragment. (Only 3 crusader cav need 200 souls, all other tier 6 need 180 = 36*5). I think that the ETs principle. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Aug 10, 2022 14:38:38 GMT
That unit gives around +20% damage to the entire legion with the mobility required. I wouldn’t renounce to that bonus. I am quite sure this bonus is really helpful. The question is whether we are able to make any use of it or not. If yuanzhong (who has more mercenary orders than anyone else I know and who summons fragments more efficient than anyone else I know ) still has lvl 8 Sepulcher Knights - this fact speaks louder than words And if andrei who honestly is trying to upgrade all available units says that it is difficult to get fragments of them - then it is difficult indeed The fact is you get that bonus notwithstanding the unit’s level. In the end a lvl6 sepulchre is good enough to withstand medium-high wounds from our best enemies. Now the quickest way (not the cheapest, sadly) to get them is from Medal Shop, where you should at least grab 30 shards of that melee cav. I’d never invest my medals only in sepulchre, though. Maybe one could buy these shards in Territory shop where you can find the best things as for now, or we could decide to invest all the souls of wars from Expedition in sepulchres. The decision is situational and personal, but we can’t deny Baldwin’s unique cavalry is a bad investment. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Aug 10, 2022 14:58:53 GMT
Up from lvl 6 to lvl 8 cost 30 fragments, up from lvl 1 to lvl 6 cost 34 fragments, IMO two t6 units lvl 6 better then one t6 unit lvl 8, because your squad will be more variety. PS. For this 30 T6 fragments you need dismantle 150 T6 fragments, it's 4 T6 units from lvl 1 to lvl 6, I doubt what lvl 8 better. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 10, 2022 15:24:50 GMT
Well, you definitely should have Hospitaliers lvl 4 (there were many free fragments) and Teutons lvl 4 (if you have completed Barbarossa's campaign). And, I believe, another lvl 4 unit won't help me much. And I don't think that anything below lvl 10 will be competitive for the upcoming content of EW7. So, if I don't see a clear way to get and to upgrade a unit, I prefer to dismantle it instead of continuing to invest in it. If you are trying to solve a problem with only limited resources available - you have to be ruthless and take unpopular measures And resources in EW7 are limited indeed, especially for f2p players. ET give for dismantle T6 only 36 war souls, for T2 only 4, coefficient 5, between T2 and T6 coefficient 9, it's totally unacceptable. It is difficult not to agree that the exchange rate is "unacceptable". But we can't do anything about it. I would rather get 5 fragments of units I use than keep 20 fragments of units I don't use. ET intentionally made this process painful and I can't blame them. They have their goals and I have mine. And sometimes these goals contradict each other I still can't fully grasp what do we need so many units for. Let's suppose andrei and yuanzhong upgrade all units one day. It is hell of a work, no doubt about it, and they will earn our respect. But now I simply can't see why do we need so many upgraded units. What can a player, who spends tons of different resources on different units, get in return? I can't answer this question now. A slight bonus here and a slight bonus there don't justify the efforts needed to achieve them. I suppose ET still are on a crossroad what to do next with EW7. Soon enough we'll have remaining campaigns and treasure missions. Then what? I hope they will find something interesting. Because a process of upgrading units for the sake of the process itself is not to everyone's taste |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Aug 10, 2022 15:33:46 GMT
I can't understand why they can't give us dismantle any units which we upgrade now, like general points, pay 50 medals and get back all units fragments back. Ratio 1:5 also a very big, 1:3 will be more interesting.
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Post by stoic on Aug 10, 2022 15:40:19 GMT
I can't understand why they can't give us dismantle any units which we upgrade now, like general points, pay 50 medals and get back all units fragments back. Ratio 1:5 also a very big, 1:3 will be more interesting. Well, their goal as a company is to make money. It is quite obvious. They put so much efforts in their games and expect income in return. If the process of upgrading units is too easy they will lose money. So, by no means we should expect that upgrading units will be more simple than it is now. I don't have any problems with it. The upgrading process should be difficult and painful. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Aug 10, 2022 17:16:12 GMT
I can't understand why they can't give us dismantle any units which we upgrade now, like general points, pay 50 medals and get back all units fragments back. Ratio 1:5 also a very big, 1:3 will be more interesting. Well, their goal as a company is to make money. It is quite obvious. They put so much efforts in their games and expect income in return. If the process of upgrading units is too easy they will lose money. So, by no means we should expect that upgrading units will be more simple than it is now. I don't have any problems with it. The upgrading process should be difficult and painful. People have a barrier, 50-100$ for full game content. Mobile games walking wrong way with in game purchases. ET need more people who can spend money, more people will be play only if price will be less. Cost of produce their games mostly have one price. PS. Of course it's not our business, but all have price and mobile games of course too. For example, as I said earlier, many people can't buy anything in their games, because they are political hostages by Google, Apple and Microsoft. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Aug 10, 2022 18:50:42 GMT
ET give for dismantle T6 only 36 war souls, for T2 only 4, coefficient 5, between T2 and T6 coefficient 9, it's totally unacceptable. It is difficult not to agree that the exchange rate is "unacceptable". But we can't do anything about it. I would rather get 5 fragments of units I use than keep 20 fragments of units I don't use. ET intentionally made this process painful and I can't blame them. They have their goals and I have mine. And sometimes these goals contradict each other I still can't fully grasp what do we need so many units for. Let's suppose andrei and yuanzhong upgrade all units one day. It is hell of a work, no doubt about it, and they will earn our respect. But now I simply can't see why do we need so many upgraded units. What can a player, who spends tons of different resources on different units, get in return? I can't answer this question now. A slight bonus here and a slight bonus there don't justify the efforts needed to achieve them. I suppose ET still are on a crossroad what to do next with EW7. Soon enough we'll have remaining campaigns and treasure missions. Then what? I hope they will find something interesting. Because a process of upgrading units for the sake of the process itself is not to everyone's taste The only benefit from upgrading units you don’t need is the rewards in Proof of honour, even if they should increase the rewards for F2P fellas. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 10, 2022 19:05:56 GMT
It is difficult not to agree that the exchange rate is "unacceptable". But we can't do anything about it. I would rather get 5 fragments of units I use than keep 20 fragments of units I don't use. ET intentionally made this process painful and I can't blame them. They have their goals and I have mine. And sometimes these goals contradict each other I still can't fully grasp what do we need so many units for. Let's suppose andrei and yuanzhong upgrade all units one day. It is hell of a work, no doubt about it, and they will earn our respect. But now I simply can't see why do we need so many upgraded units. What can a player, who spends tons of different resources on different units, get in return? I can't answer this question now. A slight bonus here and a slight bonus there don't justify the efforts needed to achieve them. I suppose ET still are on a crossroad what to do next with EW7. Soon enough we'll have remaining campaigns and treasure missions. Then what? I hope they will find something interesting. Because a process of upgrading units for the sake of the process itself is not to everyone's taste The only benefit from upgrading units you don’t need is the rewards in Proof of honour, even if they should increase the rewards for F2P fellas. The only item I really need from PoH at the moment is Subutai's weapon. And it is very unlikely that I'll get it in any observable future even if I try like a madman In my opinion, ET did everything that f2p players ignored PoH rewards completely. I collect 10 mercenary orders or 10 small war drums from time to time, but these rewards really don't mean anything so late in the game. Milestone rewards for f2p players are just awful with a couple of exceptions. |
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Post by verily on Aug 11, 2022 7:01:55 GMT
The only benefit from upgrading units you don’t need is the rewards in Proof of honour, even if they should increase the rewards for F2P fellas. The only item I really need from PoH at the moment is Subutai's weapon. And it is very unlikely that I'll get it in any observable future even if I try like a madman In my opinion, ET did everything that f2p players ignored PoH rewards completely. I collect 10 mercenary orders or 10 small war drums from time to time, but these rewards really don't mean anything so late in the game. Milestone rewards for f2p players are just awful with a couple of exceptions. also the upgrade of unique items is hard as f2p. i dismantle all fragments when i learn genghis is iap. now i need to upgrade useless units to get the unique item(bow of stars).. the other one (moonshoots)is also impossible even for whales. |
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Post by yuanzhong on Aug 11, 2022 7:27:30 GMT
The only item I really need from PoH at the moment is Subutai's weapon. And it is very unlikely that I'll get it in any observable future even if I try like a madman In my opinion, ET did everything that f2p players ignored PoH rewards completely. I collect 10 mercenary orders or 10 small war drums from time to time, but these rewards really don't mean anything so late in the game. Milestone rewards for f2p players are just awful with a couple of exceptions. also the upgrade of unique items is hard as f2p. i dismantle all fragments when i learn genghis is iap. now i need to upgrade useless units to get the unique item(bow of stars).. the other one (moonshoots)is also impossible even for whales. Moonshoots is possible to get now for pay player, no need to be a whale. I can get it now if I use all my saved fragments (no medals use). For free player, I think we need 2 or 3 more campaign stages unlocked (or ET take off the limit of free unit lvl) to get it if we grind enough. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Aug 11, 2022 11:14:52 GMT
also the upgrade of unique items is hard as f2p. i dismantle all fragments when i learn genghis is iap. now i need to upgrade useless units to get the unique item(bow of stars).. the other one (moonshoots)is also impossible even for whales. Moonshoots is possible to get now for pay player, no need to be a whale. I can get it now if I use all my saved fragments (no medals use). For free player, I think we need 2 or 3 more campaign stages unlocked (or ET take off the limit of free unit lvl) to get it if we grind enough. If they up possible lvl at 100, best units will be Legion Brigades, Scottish Longspearmens and Woad Raiders. |
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Post by yuanzhong on Aug 14, 2022 3:13:03 GMT
Moonshoots is possible to get now for pay player, no need to be a whale. I can get it now if I use all my saved fragments (no medals use). For free player, I think we need 2 or 3 more campaign stages unlocked (or ET take off the limit of free unit lvl) to get it if we grind enough. If they up possible lvl at 100, best units will be Legion Brigades, Scottish Longspearmens and Woad Raiders. Sadly, my number of Templars fragment is bigger than those units  . Lol! I didn't dismantle any fragment until now.     |
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) still has lvl 8 Sepulcher Knights - this fact speaks louder than words 
And resources in EW7 are limited indeed, especially for f2p players. 
. Lol!
