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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Jul 5, 2022 8:01:43 GMT
As I say, from time to time you can buy coin in same shop 100 medals for 10 coins, so 16 coins for T5-T6 units it's not so bad, I buy only T6 units from coin shop, and try save/load for 2 T6 units at coin shop, because they are cheaper than at medal shop. PS. This is long game and of course we need to open all T6 units which we can. Only Mongolian raiders we need to buy from medals shop 1 times now. I don't dismantle any units, before they get 15 lvl, and don't spend any soul for now. I can't understand why do we "need" to open and (what is more important and difficult) to upgrade all T6 units. Let's compare lvl 15 Templars and Cataphracts (all copyrights of images belong to yuanzhong  )   Speed is identical HPs are identical Charge probability 90 vs. 85 Attack is very close to each other. So the only significant difference is defence - 36 points. BUT this is at lvl 15. I assume at lvl 9-10 Templars have more or less same stats as Cataphracts lvl 15. Yet it is many times more simple to get Cataphracts lvl 15 than Templars lvl 10. So unlocking T6 units may be an exciting process but we definitely don't "need" it to advance through the game. Ok. But for now, we have only Alexander Nevsky and Alfred the Great, with unique weapon for charge cavalry, this units IMO we need upgrade this units first for 15 lvl. Alfred need 1 melee cavalry, kheshig IMO, Alexander of course can use cataphracts, they are cheaper then Templars. PS. IMO we need first to upgrade boyars, conquistadors, noble cavs, garrison spearmens, viking raiders, Varangians, hussars but we can't now, war elephants, frank axemans... And for future lombardy halberdiers, Mongolian riders.  |
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Post by stoic on Jul 5, 2022 8:21:51 GMT
I can't understand why do we "need" to open and (what is more important and difficult) to upgrade all T6 units. Let's compare lvl 15 Templars and Cataphracts (all copyrights of images belong to yuanzhong ) Speed is identical HPs are identical Charge probability 90 vs. 85 Attack is very close to each other. So the only significant difference is defence - 36 points. BUT this is at lvl 15. I assume at lvl 9-10 Templars have more or less same stats as Cataphracts lvl 15. Yet it is many times more simple to get Cataphracts lvl 15 than Templars lvl 10. So unlocking T6 units may be an exciting process but we definitely don't "need" it to advance through the game. Ok. But for now, we have only Alexander Nevsky and Alfred the Great, with unique weapon for charge cavalry, this units IMO we need upgrade this units first for 15 lvl. Alfred need 1 melee cavalry, kheshig IMO, Alexander of course can use cataphracts, they are cheaper then Templars. PS. IMO we need first to upgrade boyars, conquistadors, noble cavs, garrison spearmens, viking raiders, Varangians, hussars but we can't now, war elephants, frank axemans... And for future lombardy halberdiers, Mongolian riders and Frank axemans. If so then there is a hell of a work even without Templars and Mamelukes |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Jul 5, 2022 8:32:25 GMT
Ok. But for now, we have only Alexander Nevsky and Alfred the Great, with unique weapon for charge cavalry, this units IMO we need upgrade this units first for 15 lvl. Alfred need 1 melee cavalry, kheshig IMO, Alexander of course can use cataphracts, they are cheaper then Templars. PS. IMO we need first to upgrade boyars, conquistadors, noble cavs, garrison spearmens, viking raiders, Varangians, hussars but we can't now, war elephants, frank axemans... And for future lombardy halberdiers, Mongolian riders and Frank axemans. If so then there is a hell of a work even without Templars and Mamelukes Of course, if we talking about clean play, without cracking, cheating and money, like challenger title in first season day. |
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Post by stoic on Jul 5, 2022 10:15:56 GMT
If so then there is a hell of a work even without Templars and Mamelukes Of course, if we talking about clean play, without cracking, cheating and money, like challenger title in first season day. They explained it. As I assumed these were testing accounts. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Jul 5, 2022 10:40:18 GMT
Of course, if we talking about clean play, without cracking, cheating and money, like challenger title in first season day. They explained it. As I assumed these were testing accounts. Like Stanislavsky said... |
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Post by nikomachos on Jul 5, 2022 10:49:59 GMT
I can't understand why do we "need" to open and (what is more important and difficult) to upgrade all T6 units. BUT this is at lvl 15. I assume at lvl 9-10 Templars have more or less same stats as Cataphracts lvl 15. Yet it is many times more simple to get Cataphracts lvl 15 than Templars lvl 10. So unlocking T6 units may be an exciting process but we definitely don't "need" it to advance through the game. Ok. But for now, we have only Alexander Nevsky and Alfred the Great, with unique weapon for charge cavalry, this units IMO we need upgrade this units first for 15 lvl. Alfred need 1 melee cavalry, kheshig IMO, Alexander of course can use cataphracts, they are cheaper then Templars. PS. IMO we need first to upgrade boyars, conquistadors, noble cavs, garrison spearmens, viking raiders, Varangians, hussars but we can't now, war elephants, frank axemans... And for future lombardy halberdiers, Mongolian riders.  we dont need to start a 2nd cav unit at all, since yes noble we upgraded for alfred anyway. so they will be our go to unit. instead of comparing catas and templars i like to compare them each with noble asking: what do they have that is better than noble? for catas its just charge with chargeskill. meanwhile templars have hughe charge, a 5%legion bonus and a -20% archery def. This last one i find funny, in a different thread sb asked which melee cav to get and also put templars as possibility even though they dont have the ranged cav counter: but not without reason: they have hughe dmg, take less from ranged, and have freakin high def. so imo: if we upgrade a second cav unit ( stoic, one i agree we do not need) why not the one with 3 pros over noble cav. aiming for lvl 12 templars seems like an accomplishable goal to me. Sviatoslav I Igorevich, who has the gold for all these priority units you mentioned. i certainly dont |
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Post by stoic on Jul 5, 2022 11:11:28 GMT
They explained it. As I assumed these were testing accounts. Like Stanislavsky said... Well, I see no reason why they would lie on that |
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Post by stoic on Jul 5, 2022 11:31:35 GMT
Ok. But for now, we have only Alexander Nevsky and Alfred the Great, with unique weapon for charge cavalry, this units IMO we need upgrade this units first for 15 lvl. Alfred need 1 melee cavalry, kheshig IMO, Alexander of course can use cataphracts, they are cheaper then Templars. PS. IMO we need first to upgrade boyars, conquistadors, noble cavs, garrison spearmens, viking raiders, Varangians, hussars but we can't now, war elephants, frank axemans... And for future lombardy halberdiers, Mongolian riders. we dont need to start a 2nd cav unit at all, since yes noble we upgraded for alfred anyway. so they will be our go to unit. instead of comparing catas and templars i like to compare them each with noble asking: what do they have that is better than noble? for catas its just charge with chargeskill. meanwhile templars have hughe charge, a 5%legion bonus and a -20% archery def. This last one i find funny, in a different thread sb asked which melee cav to get and also put templars as possibility even though they dont have the ranged cav counter: but not without reason: they have hughe dmg, take less from ranged, and have freakin high def. so imo: if we upgrade a second cav unit ( stoic, one i agree we do not need) why not the one with 3 pros over noble cav. aiming for lvl 12 templars seems like an accomplishable goal to me. Sviatoslav I Igorevich, who has the gold for all these priority units you mentioned. i certainly dont My Templarophobia is rooted in a fact that they are extremely difficult to get and to upgrade for f2p players. In comparison we don't need much efforts to upgrade Nobles. Together with Varangians they are available for purchase in our regular shop and I see it as a great (maybe even decisive) advantage over rivals. And, truth be told, 65% probability of charge is high enough to kill (or severely damage) any unit in the way. Moreover there are few obvious options to increase this probability. One of them is moral and we have several interesting items at our disposal already. Strangely enough Noble cavalry will profit from high moral more than Templars. Here is an example, Fredrick has 100% probability with Cataphracts' passive ability.   And Alfred's lvl 12 Noble cavalry has 82%  If they will introduce new upgrade levels Noble cavalry will decrease this gap in charge probability while being on pair with Templars in stats. |
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Post by insertsomenamehere on Jul 5, 2022 12:55:41 GMT
There's one problem with cataphracts though,the unique item that have units bonus on cataphracts is and the general that have it is locked behind a paywall,but then so does Templar but at least you don't have to buy 50000 medals to get William and templar is better individually
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Post by yuanzhong on Jul 5, 2022 13:02:28 GMT
There's one problem with cataphracts though,the unique item that have units bonus on cataphracts is and the general that have it is locked behind a paywall,but then so does Templar but at least you don't have to buy 50000 medals to get William and templar is better individually Templars is better (always), but Cataphracts is better choice for almost f2p (or even pay) players. I have Richard but get lvl 15 templars is a ton of reroll works. |
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Post by nikomachos on Jul 5, 2022 13:32:41 GMT
insertsomenamehere , have you spent your souls of war already? if you did not they probably could almost double the ammount of fragments you invested up to now and get ~ 25-30. but if you did spend them, ... grinding as f2p for a unit you have no raid for will be painful. 30 fragments can make a great difference in early levels. its 184 fragments (unlocking included) until lvl 12. and 90 more -> 274 until lvl 15.
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Post by ruffruder on Jul 5, 2022 13:42:09 GMT
Mamluks are way harder to upgrade for me since I used most of my resources to get templars 15. Personally using all medals for them in shop (but probably also want to try Mongolian riders, not sure how hard it is to upgrade them to decent lvl)
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Post by yuanzhong on Jul 5, 2022 14:26:54 GMT
insertsomenamehere , have you spent your souls of war already? if you did not they probably could almost double the ammount of fragments you invested up to now and get ~ 25-30. but if you did spend them, ... grinding as f2p for a unit you have no raid for will be painful. 30 fragments can make a great difference in early levels. its 184 fragments (unlocking included) until lvl 12. and 90 more -> 274 until lvl 15. 95 more, lvl 13 and 14 require 30 fragments but 15 need 35. |
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Post by nexttimebro on Jul 5, 2022 19:24:38 GMT
If you are only F2P, I would recommend to invest in conquistadors instead. 15 lvl conquistadors have more damage to all units except of Malmuk archers (because of dodge rate in territory mode), and boost one of infantry units against Malmuks. El Cid with 15lvl archer units easily destroys enemies without damage to himself. There are also 40 souls in addition to 1 conquistador in El Cid raid.
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Jul 5, 2022 19:49:48 GMT
There's one problem with cataphracts though,the unique item that have units bonus on cataphracts is and the general that have it is locked behind a paywall,but then so does Templar but at least you don't have to buy 50000 medals to get William and templar is better individually Templars is better (always), but Cataphracts is better choice for almost f2p (or even pay) players. I have Richard but get lvl 15 templars is a ton of reroll works. Cataphracts better for ftp players because they can up charge % for our charge cavs almost at templars level. And of course ftp players must have combined legions, as I said we need boyars, nobles and cataphracts for many reason, upgrade 3 charge cavalry T4-5 are more difficult than 1 T6, I guess. 279*200=55800 souls for T6, and 279*2*125+279*80=92070 souls, as you can see 92070>55800. PS. About conquistadors, of course this unit have priority for ftp players, now doubt only hard El Sid raid worth raid tickets now. And about mamluks, mongolian riders can be good alternative if Subutai will be ftp with unique weapon, better invest in this unit. |
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