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Post by stoic on May 21, 2023 8:39:44 GMT
Are you close enough to unlock this weapon  ? I had enough points right after the update  Btw, is it theoretically possible to complete challenge conquests with 80 pts with some diplomatic negotiations involved? I was able to complete one 75 points conquest with some diplomacy, but I am still not sure how to use Justinian in 80 pts conquests. Any donations seem to be useless since demands grow with each turn, and it is easier to kill them all rather to negotiate. |
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Post by andrei on May 21, 2023 9:28:09 GMT
I had enough points right after the update Btw, is it theoretically possible to complete challenge conquests with 80 pts with some diplomatic negotiations involved? I was able to complete one 75 points conquest with some diplomacy, but I am still not sure how to use Justinian in 80 pts conquests. Any donations seem to be useless since demands grow with each turn, and it is easier to kill them all rather to negotiate. I am not sure whether it is possible for f2p to use diplomacy often enough. I am always using it but with all my privileges it is easier - I can pay tribute to several important to me opponents right in the beginning of the conquest and to maintain the relations neutral before I can make them my allies. |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on May 21, 2023 10:04:25 GMT
I had enough points right after the update Btw, is it theoretically possible to complete challenge conquests with 80 pts with some diplomatic negotiations involved? I was able to complete one 75 points conquest with some diplomacy, but I am still not sure how to use Justinian in 80 pts conquests. Any donations seem to be useless since demands grow with each turn, and it is easier to kill them all rather to negotiate. I think it's situational. If the state is on the other side of the map, you have a lot of National Policies that improve relations over time and didn't enter a state of war at all, you might be able to woo them over. Or, you could just have good relations from the start and keep it that way somehow, like the Britons with the WRE and Bretons. |
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Post by stoic on May 21, 2023 13:10:22 GMT
Btw, is it theoretically possible to complete challenge conquests with 80 pts with some diplomatic negotiations involved? I was able to complete one 75 points conquest with some diplomacy, but I am still not sure how to use Justinian in 80 pts conquests. Any donations seem to be useless since demands grow with each turn, and it is easier to kill them all rather to negotiate. I think it's situational. If the state is on the other side of the map, you have a lot of National Policies that improve relations over time and didn't enter a state of war at all, you might be able to woo them over. Or, you could just have good relations from the start and keep it that way somehow, like the Britons with the WRE and Bretons. It isn't easy to achieve this, for certain, because to complete it with 80 points we have a rather unpleasant choice: either initial diplomatic status - 45 and negative slider - 7, or initial diplomatic status - 30 and negative slider - 9. Justinian improves relations by 5 points every turn, plus we have national policies. But it is extremely difficult to stop this deterioration and to meet all demands at the same time. Moreover, if we decide to play with diplomacy we should face opponents with fully upgraded talents and additional damage bonus 35%, - a nightmare for nations somewhere in the middle of the map. |
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Post by zabadanov86 on May 21, 2023 13:43:22 GMT
Here Is something for Stoic. 100 more WRE autoruns and Hunyady Is in the game 🙂 Refering to conquest debate...I did almost all conquest challenges and the best advice Is that u use -30 diplomacy if u Are middle map country and -7 relations per round for others. Pay the countries that Are closer to you and the powerful ones. And besides, you Can always restart after first round because blackmail isnt predetermined.  |
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Post by zabadanov86 on May 21, 2023 14:09:12 GMT
For example, I played Gaels in century of iron with -7 diplomacy because i AM in the corner of the map and i payed up the closer countries because they Can come to me in few turns. So i declined Ayubids, Armenia, Byzantinum and so on, but i payed up Britons, Danas, Normans. And never pay the nations that are in war with another nation because they wont send all their troops on you. Slowly grow stronger and then pay up for peace.  Here Is my consul for conquest. |
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Post by stoic on May 21, 2023 14:48:41 GMT
Here Is something for Stoic. 100 more WRE autoruns and Hunyady Is in the game 🙂 Refering to conquest debate...I did almost all conquest challenges and the best advice Is that u use -30 diplomacy if u Are middle map country and -7 relations per round for others. Pay the countries that Are closer to you and the powerful ones. And besides, you Can always restart after first round because blackmail isnt predetermined. Incredible achievement taking into account that we get only 60 points for WRE per run |
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Post by zabadanov86 on May 21, 2023 14:56:55 GMT
I think we get 70 points, i may be mistaking. I just place generala on first Turn , declare war on everyone ecept Britons, because they Are allies and go autorun. Just need to click continue when you achieve primary objectives. 5,6 minutes run.
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Post by nikomachos on May 21, 2023 15:37:48 GMT
No time to double check again but i am pretty sure its like this: its easier if you play challenge conquest with 6 difficulty (one beeing the capital cost bc nobody moves capital).
You have higher units + get a whole lot more points. (Was it 240? Been so long since i did farming idk.)
But i still dont care to farm this crap to be fair.
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Post by nikomachos on May 21, 2023 21:03:05 GMT
No time to double check again but i am pretty sure its like this: its easier if you play challenge conquest with 6 difficulty (one beeing the capital cost bc nobody moves capital). You have higher units + get a whole lot more points. (Was it 240? Been so long since i did farming idk.) But i still dont care to farm this crap to be fair. I have to correct myself it only gives 70 points. damn i was so sure it was otherwise for challenge and i was farming wre... was it this update that it changed? Probably not. Sry for missinfo. That low challenge mode is better still applies though. |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on May 21, 2023 23:40:59 GMT
I think it's situational. If the state is on the other side of the map, you have a lot of National Policies that improve relations over time and didn't enter a state of war at all, you might be able to woo them over. Or, you could just have good relations from the start and keep it that way somehow, like the Britons with the WRE and Bretons. It isn't easy to achieve this, for certain, because to complete it with 80 points we have a rather unpleasant choice: either initial diplomatic status - 45 and negative slider - 7, or initial diplomatic status - 30 and negative slider - 9. Justinian improves relations by 5 points every turn, plus we have national policies. But it is extremely difficult to stop this deterioration and to meet all demands at the same time. Moreover, if we decide to play with diplomacy we should face opponents with fully upgraded talents and additional damage bonus 35%, - a nightmare for nations somewhere in the middle of the map. I think I experimented with this when I tested my openings for my few Challenge Conquests. You're more likely to be able to win diplomatically with a -7 penalty per turn and -45 initial status because of Justinian (and usually one or two National Policies). I think the County of Toulouse (CoI) is a good example for testing the opening to a diplomatic win. We have good relations with our two neighbours to the southwest (Passage which should add +3 points to the equation, I think). Once / if we pay tribute once, they will remain mostly friendly. However, because I am two or three updates behind, I can't say for sure how the new functions will influence one's willingness to go for this route. |
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Post by stoic on May 25, 2023 4:40:21 GMT
Tomorrow there's another round of daily log-in rewards.  |
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Post by balthazar on May 25, 2023 10:25:07 GMT
I would very like to hear how did anyone complete County of Toulouse at 80pt challenge.
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Post by stoic on May 25, 2023 10:56:53 GMT
I would very like to hear how did anyone complete County of Toulouse at 80pt challenge. I don't think that many players attempted to complete this challenge, let alone completed it. I don't know, maybe andrei did There are so many things to do in conquests that county of Toulouse is far from the mind of majority of players, I believe. I personally haven't completed all available conquests on normal difficulty yet |
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Post by balthazar on May 25, 2023 11:28:10 GMT
[/quote] I don't think that many players attempted to complete this challenge, let alone completed it. I don't know, maybe andrei did There are so many things to do in conquests that county of Toulouse is far from the mind of majority of players, I believe. I personally haven't completed all available conquests on normal difficulty yet [/quote] Yea I have many left as well but this one just bugs me. I have tried to challenge myself but even with drum spam I couldnt make it to turn 10 😅 |
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