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Post by Jean Lannes on Apr 4, 2016 0:58:17 GMT
I believe Leclerc should be as good as someone like Badoglio or someone else who is decently good, because he was an actually good general as far as i know. Plus, FDR liked the guy! What's not good about that! (Insert everything bad about FDR here) and LecLerc isn't known to somebody who knows little about France in WW2. Badoglio is somewhat known because he was PM |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Apr 4, 2016 0:58:48 GMT
Because they got defeated so early in the war? The Resistance had many prominent members. Those could've been implemented |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Apr 4, 2016 1:05:14 GMT
I'd say FDR only had one major flaw: Allowing for the deportation of Japanese-Americans to relocation camps. Dark time in our history.
But FDR was a military, political and economic genius. He knew that the government had to get involved in this modern era if they wanted to prevent depressions or recessions. He employed millions of americans through government programs. He also gave hope to Americans through his speeches and fireside chats.
And FDR was a great military strategist, possibly greater than Guderian or Manstein. Why? Because he wasn't a moron and never got involved in the military for the most part. He left how to conduct the war to his actual professional generals, who were good at their job. While the American generals weren't as good as the Germans for the most part, it is important that we note that Hitler A. was a complete military fool and B. took complete control of the German military, meaning that nothing could be done in the military without his consent. This meant that the elite generals such as Guderian and Manstein could never really be used to their full potential as Hitler often meddled with their decisions. FDR never really did this, and only really got involved if he had to give service awards to recall someone from duty, such as Patton in 1943.
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Post by Jean Lannes on Apr 4, 2016 2:19:03 GMT
I'd say FDR only had one major flaw: Allowing for the deportation of Japanese-Americans to relocation camps. Dark time in our history. But FDR was a military, political and economic genius. He knew that the government had to get involved in this modern era if they wanted to prevent depressions or recessions. He employed millions of americans through government programs. He also gave hope to Americans through his speeches and fireside chats. And FDR was a great military strategist, possibly greater than Guderian or Manstein. Why? Because he wasn't a moron and never got involved in the military for the most part. He left how to conduct the war to his actual professional generals, who were good at their job. While the American generals weren't as good as the Germans for the most part, it is important that we note that Hitler A. was a complete military fool and B. took complete control of the German military, meaning that nothing could be done in the military without his consent. This meant that the elite generals such as Guderian and Manstein could never really be used to their full potential as Hitler often meddled with their decisions. FDR never really did this, and only really got involved if he had to give service awards to recall someone from duty, such as Patton in 1943. The only two issues with FDR are the Japanese internment camps and the fact that he was president for 12 years (16 if he would't have died) |
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Post by Desophaeus on Apr 4, 2016 6:01:12 GMT
FDR was also a terrible leader in terms of his working relationship with HIS OWN vice president. He barely talked with him in the same room and when he died, Truman was shocked to find out about the Manhattan project and many other things. FDR didn't bother to prepare and groom his potential replacement. That's a bad leadership thing.
A good leader should have made sure that he wasn't so irreplaceable that when he leaves or die, the organization doesn't fall into disarray immediately. This applies to any type of organizations, the leader should always strive to mentor potential leaders and encourage improvement in his leading team of core members as well.
De Gaulie was even worse as a leader because unlike FDR, he didn't really had any redeeming characteristics as a leader. This was obvious when France went nuts under his efforts in the post-war era.
This alone should make people realize that even if France didn't collapsed under the Nazi blitz so early, it would still have an insane amount of leadership issues and probably still collapsed a couple of years later despite American and British help.
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Post by cardbattler on Apr 4, 2016 8:53:09 GMT
Speaking of good generals and bad supreme leaders, Japan might fall into the category as well, no?
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Post by cardbattler on Apr 4, 2016 9:03:59 GMT
Also, dunno if I should create a new thread or not, but tech balance annoys me a little, like, Japan's heavy tank can match evenly with a USA's given same conditions, while irl Japan didn't even have a heavy tank.
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Apr 4, 2016 10:35:53 GMT
Desophaeus, you need to remember that Truman was only VP for three months or so and then FDR died. I guarantee that he would've prepared him more if FDR was alive longer. cardbattler, i do have to agree with that. While i think all nations should be allowed to build all the available units, but each nation should have bonuses or disadvantages to their units (Japan has better navy and airforce, but they have worse Tanks and artillery, or Germany has better Tanks and Airforce, but worse infantry and artillery)
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Post by Frederick the Great on Apr 4, 2016 10:40:42 GMT
But General William T. Sherman, there was nothing wrong with German infantry and artellery. They just had great tank strategies and later the best tanks. Also I'm pretty sure the US tanks sucked but could be build faster and easier. Maybe if some nations can build some units cheper but not as efective for example if the US could tanks for something like 145 gold insead of 180 but had less health and attack? |
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Post by cardbattler on Apr 4, 2016 12:12:55 GMT
Disagree. The US should just have extra income (a bonus income, or just place more cities in there) while the one with cheap units (allowing mass production) should be the USSR.
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Post by General Macarthur on Apr 4, 2016 12:24:55 GMT
Actually the Sherman was pretty good in mid-war but sucked once more tigers and panthers became avalible. Also the Sherman was like a Tiger in the Pacific.
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Post by Frederick the Great on Apr 4, 2016 12:36:51 GMT
But cardbattler, the USSR had good tanks. It was just a random idea anyway, I didn't put much thought into it. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Apr 4, 2016 18:28:02 GMT
Desophaeus , you need to remember that Truman was only VP for three months or so and then FDR died. I guarantee that he would've prepared him more if FDR was alive longer. cardbattler , i do have to agree with that. While i think all nations should be allowed to build all the available units, but each nation should have bonuses or disadvantages to their units (Japan has better navy and airforce, but they have worse Tanks and artillery, or Germany has better Tanks and Airforce, but worse infantry and artillery) I'm still suspicious. I bet his previous VP wasn't prepared that well either. Anyway, I'm really just saying that FDR did have some weaknesses in his leadership. He's not the best example, but at least as a human being, he's reasonably good as a leader of our nation. Just don't let history books gloss over and make it sounds like FDR did nothing wrong. As for buffing or nerfing units in WC3 according to national advantages, I wouldn't mind IF they did it better than EW4. I didn't like how in EW4, there was no popups showing you the benefit of this or that like WC3 do. EW4 never really did that for their skills or stars that well as WC3. I'm guessing Easytech said forget that... let's just KISS the units and move on to the generals, make them simpler too. I'm kinda sad that there's no further incorporation of skills in comparsion to the other games they made. Desert fighting for example, would be a much better skill if it was a benefit of improving damage output on desert hexes PLUS ignoring movement in desert hexes too. Rommel would have a very nice mobility/damage combined boost in the African theater. |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Apr 4, 2016 18:29:53 GMT
Frederick the Great, i would think giving them a disadvantage in infantry and artillery would be slightly more historical, as the Soviet rocket artillery completely trumped the regular German artillery, and, while the Germans were more supplied than Soviet troops, the Soviets had so many more troops that supplies didn't really matter by the end of the war. So therefore, i say Germans have better Tanks and Air force, but worse artillery and infantry, while the soviets have the opposite.
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Apr 4, 2016 18:45:29 GMT
Desophaeus , you need to remember that Truman was only VP for three months or so and then FDR died. I guarantee that he would've prepared him more if FDR was alive longer. cardbattler , i do have to agree with that. While i think all nations should be allowed to build all the available units, but each nation should have bonuses or disadvantages to their units (Japan has better navy and airforce, but they have worse Tanks and artillery, or Germany has better Tanks and Airforce, but worse infantry and artillery) I'm still suspicious. I bet his previous VP wasn't prepared that well either. Anyway, I'm really just saying that FDR did have some weaknesses in his leadership. He's not the best example, but at least as a human being, he's reasonably good as a leader of our nation. Just don't let history books gloss over and make it sounds like FDR did nothing wrong. I never said he did nothing wrong. He did a lot wrong. For example, trying to pack the supreme court with 13 judges instead of nine (I believe it was 13 he wanted, maybe it was 11) and, of course, Japanese internment. FDR was sucked into the paranoia and forced all Japanese-Americans to go to internment camps. This fact is made even worse at how the Americans treated the Germans and Italians in the USA. They would force all Italian or German-Americans to sign a document stating that they were against Hitler and his Germany, or Mussolini and his Italy if you were Italian. If you failed to sign, you were sent to an internment camp. THIS is how the government should've dealt with the Japanese-Americans in the USA. And, again, its made even worse when you find out that later in the war, the US asked for many Japanese-Americans in these camps to sign up for the military. But many did. And many KICKED *SS. The 442nd Infantry battalion, made entirely of Japanese-American soldiers, won more medals than any other american unit in history. And people like Daniel Inouye displayed great courage in battle. Inouye, when given an assignment to clear out some machine gun nests at the Gothic Line in Italy, went with his battalion. Almost his whole force was shot down by the Germans in the nests, so Inouye, armed with only a machine gun and some grenades, tried to take him out on his own. He would fire his gun at the nest, launch a grenade, repeat. His arm was blown off while storming these nests, but when this happened, he just grabbed his grenade on the ground and threw at the last nest. Inouye would later become a senator in congress. Dark time in our history. But lets look at his great accomplishments. A. He lessened the impact of the Great Depression on the ordinary American. B. Saved the banks from having another possible shutdown. C. Implemented government work programs which would build roads, bridges, and railroads. D. Created Mt. Rushmore. E. Gave electricity and power to rural Tennessee. F. First president to use the radio to communicate with normal Americans. G. Knew that in America had to help Britain against Germany even before the USSR got involved. H. Never intervened in purely military affairs. I. Made a woman his secretary of State (First woman in a government office btw), Frances Perkins. J. Began revoking segregationist law by allowing blacks to work where whites worked as well. And Americans loved this guy so much, they elected him four times!!!! |
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