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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 2:38:57 GMT
Cataphracts have significantly more HP - 487 vs. 373 Attack is equal 231 vs. 232. Templars lvl 8 have 9 points of defense more but 2% less charge probability. I don't see how Cataphracts lvl 15 are inferior to Templars lvl 8. HP not important for charge cavalry, defense also, they must one shoot enemy, and avoid damage by bodyguards with stonewall units. As we can see a paper charge probability for Templars better for 18% and they have better bonuses for other legions, lvl 8 Templars better at all. PS. F2P don't have Richard, they have Nevsky and Alfred, and they need Noble and Boyar Cavalry at lvl 15, for best results, and use Cataphracts or Templars as 3 legion, it's not a religion, lvl 7-8 Templars or lvl 15 Cataphracts, they are same, and f2p can get one of them, and of course they can't get Jet Black. Se la Vie. Have you ever read description of Cataphracts' abilities? Lvl 15 Cataphracts have 85% probability to charge. Moreover they have 10% bonus when they charge. And another 10% as legion effect.   |
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 3:05:06 GMT
HP not important for charge cavalry, defense also, they must one shoot enemy, and avoid damage by bodyguards with stonewall units. As we can see a paper charge probability for Templars better for 18% and they have better bonuses for other legions, lvl 8 Templars better at all. PS. F2P don't have Richard, they have Nevsky and Alfred, and they need Noble and Boyar Cavalry at lvl 15, for best results, and use Cataphracts or Templars as 3 legion, it's not a religion, lvl 7-8 Templars or lvl 15 Cataphracts, they are same, and f2p can get one of them, and of course they can't get Jet Black. Se la Vie. I saw they buffed boyars, because they’re now better than Noble Cavalry. In my opinion Noble Cavalry is a better unit than cataphracts, due to more defence, more availability (thanks to the fragments we got since the beginning of the game or in the regular shop), same or slightly more attack, more morale and a f2p general such as Alfred who is amongst the best charge cavalry general in the game (performing well even on melee cavalry). Noble cavalry doesn't need special efforts to be upgraded. I have this unit at level 14 without ever using Alfred's Raid or war souls. Unfortunately, their crit rate is 20% lower than that of Cataphracts. If not this fact they would be much better than Cataphracts and we, actually, didn't need any other charge cavalry unit. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Sept 17, 2022 10:17:33 GMT
HP not important for charge cavalry, defense also, they must one shoot enemy, and avoid damage by bodyguards with stonewall units. As we can see a paper charge probability for Templars better for 18% and they have better bonuses for other legions, lvl 8 Templars better at all. PS. F2P don't have Richard, they have Nevsky and Alfred, and they need Noble and Boyar Cavalry at lvl 15, for best results, and use Cataphracts or Templars as 3 legion, it's not a religion, lvl 7-8 Templars or lvl 15 Cataphracts, they are same, and f2p can get one of them, and of course they can't get Jet Black. Se la Vie. Have you ever read description of Cataphracts' abilities? Lvl 15 Cataphracts have 85% probability to charge. Moreover they have 10% bonus when they charge. And another 10% as legion effect. Yes, I usually read too much actually  They might be cheaper in souls’ price, but when the game gives you Noble Cavalry fragments for free to get it to lvl15 without any dismantling, I don’t need any strict confrontation. I don’t ignore the difference in attack, which is not that big, however I consider my laziness in dismantling and the time cost process in between. Result: Nobles are better, because I don’t use them with low morale, but always on high morale (and their crit rate is something around 85%, plus an eventual charge master skill we can reach 100% on Simeon and Henry, or Alfred with 90% charge rate if you give him this skill considering you don’t have enough purple gems to invest ) |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 10:28:59 GMT
HP not important for charge cavalry, defense also, they must one shoot enemy, and avoid damage by bodyguards with stonewall units. As we can see a paper charge probability for Templars better for 18% and they have better bonuses for other legions, lvl 8 Templars better at all. PS. F2P don't have Richard, they have Nevsky and Alfred, and they need Noble and Boyar Cavalry at lvl 15, for best results, and use Cataphracts or Templars as 3 legion, it's not a religion, lvl 7-8 Templars or lvl 15 Cataphracts, they are same, and f2p can get one of them, and of course they can't get Jet Black. Se la Vie. Have you ever read description of Cataphracts' abilities? Lvl 15 Cataphracts have 85% probability to charge. Moreover they have 10% bonus when they charge. And another 10% as legion effect. Of course, but on paper charge probability for Templars better, if they uses with Cataphracts, for example, the have 100% at lvl 4.  PS. We don't talk about Templars at lvl 12, at this lvl Templars best from all f2p charge cavalry units, and f2p players can get Templars at lvl 12 now if grinding their fragments from start game and buy for souls like Cataphracts to get lvl 15. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 10:37:35 GMT
With Templars, Boyars and Noble cavalry at lvl 12 for example you don't need +20% charge bonus from Cataphracts at all.
PS. F2P players have more problems with melee cavalry, because they don't have enough fragments in regular shop. It's ET mistake, if f2p players can get t5-t6 melee cavalry at lvl 12 now and 2 good melee cavalry generals with unique weapons (now only Roland with locked Hussars, and Alexios with unique weapon behind paywall, they need give Frederick and Baldwin weapons for free 3 months ago), they don't have problems with ranged cavalry and generals Timur likes.
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 10:39:07 GMT
With Templars, Boyars and Noble cavalry at lvl 12 for example you don't need +20% charge bonus from Cataphracts at all. 3 units in one legions good at start game, but now we get more interesting variants and better to mix 3 legions, even 3 Varangians, 3 Mamluks, 3 IBC is a bad decisions. PS. 3 Cataphracts in one legion it's bad decision at all, and 3 Templars also bad decision. |
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 11:18:34 GMT
With Templars, Boyars and Noble cavalry at lvl 12 for example you don't need +20% charge bonus from Cataphracts at all. PS. F2P players have more problems with melee cavalry, because they don't have enough fragments in regular shop. It's ET mistake, if f2p players can get t5-t6 melee cavalry at lvl 12 now and 2 good melee cavalry generals with unique weapons, they don't have problems with ranged cavalry and generals Timur likes. Why do you think that putting 3 different units in a legion will somehow increase their charge probability? Charge probability is calculated differently and do not stack. So, in such legion Templars have their crit rate, Nobles - theirs, and Boyars - theirs respectively. In both latter cases it is 65% at lvl 15. It is pretty obvious that 3 Cataphracts will charge more often than a legion "Templars/Boyars/Noble cavalry". |
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 11:23:13 GMT
With Templars, Boyars and Noble cavalry at lvl 12 for example you don't need +20% charge bonus from Cataphracts at all. 3 units in one legions good at start game, but now we get more interesting variants and better to mix 3 legions, even 3 Varangians, 3 Mamluks, 3 IBC is a bad decisions. PS. 3 Cataphracts in one legion it's bad decision at all, and 3 Templars also bad decision. No, it is a good decision if the level of one unit exceeds levels of other units. It is rather pointless to add lvl 10 Noble Cavalry to lvl 15 Cataphracts. I use Noble cavalry only with Alfred and Boyars only with Nevsky, and I have quite respectable levels of these units. In most cases I use 3 Cataphracts. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 11:24:54 GMT
With Templars, Boyars and Noble cavalry at lvl 12 for example you don't need +20% charge bonus from Cataphracts at all. PS. F2P players have more problems with melee cavalry, because they don't have enough fragments in regular shop. It's ET mistake, if f2p players can get t5-t6 melee cavalry at lvl 12 now and 2 good melee cavalry generals with unique weapons, they don't have problems with ranged cavalry and generals Timur likes. Why do you think that putting 3 different units in a legion will somehow increase their charge probability? Charge probability is calculated differently and do not stack. So, in such legion Templars have their crit rate, Nobles - theirs, and Boyars - theirs respectively. In both latter cases it is 65% at lvl 15. It is pretty obvious that 3 Cataphracts will charge more often than a legion "Templars/Boyars/Noble cavalry". At lvl 12 Templars+Nobles+Boyars from 10 attempt will be have 8 triple charge and 2 double charge, that's enough for one shoot any other legions except defense infantry. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 11:27:00 GMT
3 units in one legions good at start game, but now we get more interesting variants and better to mix 3 legions, even 3 Varangians, 3 Mamluks, 3 IBC is a bad decisions. PS. 3 Cataphracts in one legion it's bad decision at all, and 3 Templars also bad decision. No, it is a good decision if the level of one unit exceeds levels of other units. It is rather pointless to add lvl 10 Noble Cavalry to lvl 15 Cataphracts. Nope, it's bad decision, and Noble cavalry at lvl 10-11 better Cataphracts lvl 15. PS. Cataphracts and Templars not a religionreligion and use 3 of them it's a mistake. |
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 11:27:47 GMT
Why do you think that putting 3 different units in a legion will somehow increase their charge probability? Charge probability is calculated differently and do not stack. So, in such legion Templars have their crit rate, Nobles - theirs, and Boyars - theirs respectively. In both latter cases it is 65% at lvl 15. It is pretty obvious that 3 Cataphracts will charge more often than a legion "Templars/Boyars/Noble cavalry". At lvl 12 Templars+Nobles+Boyars from 10 attempt will be have 8 triple charge and 2 double charge, that's enough for one shoot any other legions except defense infantry. It is rather a speculative observation. Boyars and Noble cavalry have 65% chances to crit. Nothing more Nothing less. |
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 11:29:12 GMT
No, it is a good decision if the level of one unit exceeds levels of other units. It is rather pointless to add lvl 10 Noble Cavalry to lvl 15 Cataphracts. Nope, it's bad decision, and Noble cavalry at lvl 10-11 better Cataphracts lvl 15. PS. Cataphracts and Templars not a religion. It is not a religion it is a matter of common sense. I have Noble cavalry at lvl 14 and Cataphracts at lvl 15. Do you? |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 11:31:56 GMT
At lvl 12 Templars+Nobles+Boyars from 10 attempt will be have 8 triple charge and 2 double charge, that's enough for one shoot any other legions except defense infantry. It is rather a speculative observation. Boyars and Noble cavalry have 65% chances to crit. Nothing more Nothing less. Cataphracts it's a swamp, and other swamps not worse. You are not a frog. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 11:37:50 GMT
Nope, it's bad decision, and Noble cavalry at lvl 10-11 better Cataphracts lvl 15. PS. Cataphracts and Templars not a religion. It is not a religion it is a matter of common sense. I have Noble cavalry at lvl 14 and Cataphracts at lvl 15. Do you? After mistake than I buy for war souls Templars at lvl 6 for tests and save game, I don't need Cataphracts at my charge legions, they at lvl 9, and Noble at lvl 12, and Boyars at lvl 6 and they are same with Cataphracts lvl 9, and Templars at lvl 7, that's why I said what lvl 8 better than lvl 15 Cataphracts, and other players argue this. PS. I don't dismantle any fragments, even if I don't use this units. |
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 11:41:51 GMT
While high lv noble cavalry seems good, high lv cataprachts is also good because of bonus, its just easy to die than the other. As, actually, all cavalry units do, because they have unforgivable low HP. The question was who can deal more damage. Obviously Templars are unit number one. But after that only Cataphracts have an almost guaranteed triple charge. We are at mercy of RNG in all other cases. |
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