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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 15:41:20 GMT
Of course even 1, I'm specially avoid disappointment your religion with Cataphracts, because mix legions better them at all. 🙂 You didn't get the point, do you. Cataphracts buff every unit including Melee Cavalry when they are in a legion. And you may have 10 Cavalry legions with Cataphracts on board, while Templars only buff legions one time and only those close to them. In other words if you have two Cavalry legions with Templars, the buff is still 5%. But if you have two Cavalry legions with Cataphracts. The bonus is 10% for each Legion. Swamp, swamp, swamp. PS. Mix legions with lvl 11 Noble cavalry, lvl 6 Boyars Cavalry, and lvl 6 Templars, at this test deal more damage because have 3 attempts for attack, and you charge probability and all other buffs can't beat this results. Your swamp isn't the best. |
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 15:46:27 GMT
You didn't get the point, do you. Cataphracts buff every unit including Melee Cavalry when they are in a legion. And you may have 10 Cavalry legions with Cataphracts on board, while Templars only buff legions one time and only those close to them. In other words if you have two Cavalry legions with Templars, the buff is still 5%. But if you have two Cavalry legions with Cataphracts. The bonus is 10% for each Legion. Swamp, swamp, swamp. You don't understand what I am talking about, right? Here is an example. We eliminated one enemy but our mobility is still 5. So, the bonus Cataphracts have as a legion effect is still valid. Templars don't have this legion effect. You need other cavalry units to get it. But where the hell can a f2p player get other cavalry units if he tries to upgrade Templars? He simply doesn't have enough resources.    |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 15:51:47 GMT
You don't understand what I am talking about, right? Here is an example. We eliminated one enemy but our mobility is still 5. So, the bonus Cataphracts have as a legion effect is still valid. Templars don't have this legion effects. You need other cavalry units to get it. But where the hell can a f2p player get other cavalry units if he tries to upgrade Templars? He simply doesn't have enough resources. You don't understand bonus from charge you can get from any other charge cavalry except Templars, this bonus for all legion. PS. As f2p player I can get lvl 12 Templars right now without problem, and other players also can. But I don't rush, 7 lvl enough now for me. |
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 15:59:15 GMT
You don't understand what I am talking about, right? Here is an example. We eliminated one enemy but our mobility is still 5. So, the bonus Cataphracts have as a legion effect is still valid. Templars don't have this legion effects. You need other cavalry units to get it. But where the hell can a f2p player get other cavalry units if he tries to upgrade Templars? He simply doesn't have enough resources. You don't understand bonus from charge you can get from any other charge cavalry except Templars, this bonus for all legion. So, you do need other cavalry units besides Templars, right? But the main theme of this thread was that we can't allow ourselves to upgrade Templars and other cavalry units at the same time. Not to high levels, at least. Not f2p players. We simply don't have resources for this. That was the point. Not that Cataphracts or someone else is a religion. You may have, of course, 15 cavalry units at level 6, but it is the dumbest thing, to be honest. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Sept 17, 2022 16:07:14 GMT
By the way I can solve the templar problem with triple Noble Cavalry (lvl 15 Nobles can easily wipe out lvl 15 Templars with a direct hit and this is enough for me as I have limited resources and only lvl 10 cataphracts, which are inferior for now).
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 16:10:58 GMT
By the way I can solve the templar problem with triple Noble Cavalry (lvl 15 Nobles can easily wipe out lvl 15 Templars with a direct hit and this is enough for me as I have limited resources and only lvl 10 cataphracts, which are inferior for now). I am still waiting for your promise to get Simeon's chapter (and probably weapon as well)  A guaranteed triple charge of 3 dumbos should be really "something" And Simeon can be an excellent melee cavalry general. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 16:15:19 GMT
You don't understand bonus from charge you can get from any other charge cavalry except Templars, this bonus for all legion. So, you do need other cavalry units besides Templars, right? But the main theme of this thread was that we can't allow ourselves to upgrade Templars and other cavalry units at the same time. Not to high levels, at least. Not f2p players. We simply don't have resources for this. That was the point. Not that Cataphracts or someone else is a religion. You may have, of course, 15 cavalry units at level 6, but it is the dumbest thing, to be honest. Of course you need other charge cavalry units, Boyars, Nobles and Templars or Cataphracts for good mix legion. And Templars better at lvl 8 Cataphracts at lvl 15. Even because Templars can get lvl 15, but Cataphracts can't, they lvl 15 now. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Sept 17, 2022 16:25:08 GMT
By the way I can solve the templar problem with triple Noble Cavalry (lvl 15 Nobles can easily wipe out lvl 15 Templars with a direct hit and this is enough for me as I have limited resources and only lvl 10 cataphracts, which are inferior for now). I am still waiting for your promise to get Simeon's chapter (and probably weapon as well) A guaranteed triple charge of 3 dumbos should be really "something" And Simeon can be an excellent melee cavalry general. Someone wants to make an infantry gen out of him... Don’t know how the things will go. I’d say Henry II with Roland’s unique, rapid March, 2 dumbos and 1 camel//sepulchre/teuton/and stuff, could be surprisingly a cancer xD |
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Post by kingbutawl on Sept 17, 2022 16:29:52 GMT
So, you do need other cavalry units besides Templars, right? But the main theme of this thread was that we can't allow ourselves to upgrade Templars and other cavalry units at the same time. Not to high levels, at least. Not f2p players. We simply don't have resources for this. That was the point. Not that Cataphracts or someone else is a religion. You may have, of course, 15 cavalry units at level 6, but it is the dumbest thing, to be honest. Of course you need other charge cavalry units, Boyars, Nobles and Templars or Cataphracts for good mix legion. And Templars better at lvl 8 Cataphracts at lvl 15. Even because Templars can get lvl 15, but Cataphracts can't, they lvl 15 now. I’ve just tested Henry II in Timur hard, 12.1 against the middle bottom dumbos legion. The first setup with triple NC and triple charge’s got 1389 damage. The second one with triple CA and perfect charge has dealt 1385. Nobles were all lvl15, while catas only lvl14 (but I think the max output doesn’t change). |
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 16:46:32 GMT
So, you do need other cavalry units besides Templars, right? But the main theme of this thread was that we can't allow ourselves to upgrade Templars and other cavalry units at the same time. Not to high levels, at least. Not f2p players. We simply don't have resources for this. That was the point. Not that Cataphracts or someone else is a religion. You may have, of course, 15 cavalry units at level 6, but it is the dumbest thing, to be honest. Of course you need other charge cavalry units, Boyars, Nobles and Templars or Cataphracts for good mix legion. And Templars better at lvl 8 Cataphracts at lvl 15. Even because Templars can get lvl 15, but Cataphracts can't, they lvl 15 now. Yeah, but they can be easily upgraded to any new levels instead, while getting fragments for each new level of Templars will be a real pain. |
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 16:50:44 GMT
Of course you need other charge cavalry units, Boyars, Nobles and Templars or Cataphracts for good mix legion. And Templars better at lvl 8 Cataphracts at lvl 15. Even because Templars can get lvl 15, but Cataphracts can't, they lvl 15 now. I’ve just tested Henry II in Timur hard, 12.1 against the middle bottom dumbos legion. The first setup with triple NC and triple charge’s got 1389 damage. The second one with triple CA and perfect charge has dealt 1385. Nobles were all lvl15, while catas only lvl14 (but I think the max output doesn’t change). As I said it before, it is not enough to compare the damage, it is also of paramount importance to compare frequency of triple charge. Every cavalry units can perform triple charge from time to time. The question is how often does it happen. Because in a real situation we depend heavily on this frequency. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 16:59:34 GMT
I’ve just tested Henry II in Timur hard, 12.1 against the middle bottom dumbos legion. The first setup with triple NC and triple charge’s got 1389 damage. The second one with triple CA and perfect charge has dealt 1385. Nobles were all lvl15, while catas only lvl14 (but I think the max output doesn’t change). As I said it before, it is not enough to compare the damage, it is also of paramount importance to compare frequency of triple charge. Every cavalry units can perform triple charge from time to time. The question is how often does it happen. Because in a real situation we depend heavily on this frequency. 2% difference it's same %. |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 17:02:33 GMT
Of course you need other charge cavalry units, Boyars, Nobles and Templars or Cataphracts for good mix legion. And Templars better at lvl 8 Cataphracts at lvl 15. Even because Templars can get lvl 15, but Cataphracts can't, they lvl 15 now. Yeah, but they can be easily upgraded to any new levels instead, while getting fragments for each new level of Templars will be a real pain. Not the big pain if 1 lvl Templars same 2 lvl Cataphracts, even if we compare souls, 2*80=160 for Cataphracts, and 200 for Templars. Cataphracts cheaper of course, but if you grind Templars, difference not so hugehuge. PS. If ET give us 3 level upper, 18 lvl Cataphracts will be worse 12 lvl Templars. |
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Post by stoic on Sept 17, 2022 17:06:01 GMT
As I said it before, it is not enough to compare the damage, it is also of paramount importance to compare frequency of triple charge. Every cavalry units can perform triple charge from time to time. The question is how often does it happen. Because in a real situation we depend heavily on this frequency. 2% difference it's same %. What 2%. The difference between triple charges of Cataphracts and Noble cavalry? How on earth have you calculated it  ? |
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Post by Sviatoslav I Igorevich on Sept 17, 2022 17:07:58 GMT
I am still waiting for your promise to get Simeon's chapter (and probably weapon as well) A guaranteed triple charge of 3 dumbos should be really "something" And Simeon can be an excellent melee cavalry general. Someone wants to make an infantry gen out of him... Don’t know how the things will go. I’d say Henry II with Roland’s unique, rapid March, 2 dumbos and 1 camel//sepulchre/teuton/and stuff, could be surprisingly a cancer xD Yeah, I'm really can do this right now, he will be good infantry general! 🙂 |
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