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Post by Warlord247 on Apr 14, 2023 17:14:20 GMT
Eugene V. Debs only I am glad we have the same dreams for our future Comrade. I fear Poland may not share that same vision anymore however. I've heard from Spain that they began alliance talks with France. Their integration of Lithuania makes me fear this further.
France has been majorly weakend; I say we strike soon, while the momentum is on our side.
Spain will not join us on the offset (and understandably so, since they are surrounded by the French) but once we've drawn the French East we nay rely in them to finish of an encirclement.
That is all for now, sincerely,
Sir Kent, King of Austria-Hungary Only for Warlord247 Yes, you are right about France. Though if Poland really betrays us, it will be an unnecessary front for us that will split our focus from our main targets, just like French territory in Baltics. I'd advise you to keep some spare force ready in case Poland attacks, although it isn't urgent since Poland won't available till Tuesday. Still, as they say, better safe than sorry, eh? As for Spain, it is nice to hear. But they are still talking with the French. This may simply mean that they are trying to be friendly with the French until they join to us, or maybe they're playing both sides. I hope it is the former, but still, again better safe than sorry (non-roleplay note: And no, I'm not trying to create paranoia or something like Stalin not trusting anyone  ). Also, you've defined they being surrounded by French as a reason for this, but France has most of its troops outside. And Spanish army is like 700,000. Three of our forces combined, we are more powerful than French. So, it's a little suspicious. Returning to the matter of attacking, via where do you think we should attack? Via your territory? Via Turkey? Or first into the French territory in Baltics (we shouldn't forget this, I have to repeat. It would be really funny for us, if they invaded our capitals while we are attacking forward all out completely unaware lol). I prefer attacking via Turkey, as it is nearer to my mainland, it will be easier for me to reinforce my forces, move, retreat etc. Though, the French army hasn't come near my Caucasian border yet afaik, so I may have to make a landing instead, to, let's say Istanbul (which has a factory). Or, if all the Turkish forces are focused on France, then I can just enter Turkey via my Caucasian border, which would be easier imo. What do you think? only I think it best to invade through my country, so we can capture Paris, and hopefully force a capitulation. You shouldn't have too many issues with reinforcements due to my advanced rail line. You should leave a small force on your border to turkey tho, to keep the French at bay.
We should take their territory in the Baltics at the same time we launch the main attack. We should also leave a force of about 300,000 each on both sides of Poland, so if they do turn coat we can encircle them with ease.
As for Spain, if they truly wanted to play both sides, they'd have no reason to inform us about Poland. I think it best to put trust in them for the time being. I will send them one more telegram asking for a decisive strike, now that we know France to be weak.
Well, what do you think?
Sincerely,
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Post by Warlord247 on Apr 14, 2023 17:19:09 GMT
John Marston only With France now much weaker, I would like to ask for an initial offensive. With their current numbers, you could cut off their units in Spain without the ability for them to send reinforcements. As long as you can hold them their, me and the USSR could push into their homeland, and force capitulation before they can do much damage.
Please consider the plan
Sincerely,
Sir Kent, King of Austria-Hungary
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Apr 14, 2023 17:29:10 GMT
Only for Warlord247 Yes, you are right about France. Though if Poland really betrays us, it will be an unnecessary front for us that will split our focus from our main targets, just like French territory in Baltics. I'd advise you to keep some spare force ready in case Poland attacks, although it isn't urgent since Poland won't available till Tuesday. Still, as they say, better safe than sorry, eh? As for Spain, it is nice to hear. But they are still talking with the French. This may simply mean that they are trying to be friendly with the French until they join to us, or maybe they're playing both sides. I hope it is the former, but still, again better safe than sorry (non-roleplay note: And no, I'm not trying to create paranoia or something like Stalin not trusting anyone ). Also, you've defined they being surrounded by French as a reason for this, but France has most of its troops outside. And Spanish army is like 700,000. Three of our forces combined, we are more powerful than French. So, it's a little suspicious. Returning to the matter of attacking, via where do you think we should attack? Via your territory? Via Turkey? Or first into the French territory in Baltics (we shouldn't forget this, I have to repeat. It would be really funny for us, if they invaded our capitals while we are attacking forward all out completely unaware lol). I prefer attacking via Turkey, as it is nearer to my mainland, it will be easier for me to reinforce my forces, move, retreat etc. Though, the French army hasn't come near my Caucasian border yet afaik, so I may have to make a landing instead, to, let's say Istanbul (which has a factory). Or, if all the Turkish forces are focused on France, then I can just enter Turkey via my Caucasian border, which would be easier imo. What do you think? only I think it best to invade through my country, so we can capture Paris, and hopefully force a capitulation. You shouldn't have too many issues with reinforcements due to my advanced rail line. You should leave a small force on your border to turkey tho, to keep the French at bay.
We should take their territory in the Baltics at the same time we launch the main attack. We should also leave a force of about 300,000 each on both sides of Poland, so if they do turn coat we can encircle them with ease.
As for Spain, if they truly wanted to play both sides, they'd have no reason to inform us about Poland. I think it best to put trust in them for the time being. I will send them one more telegram asking for a decisive strike, now that we know France to be weak.
Well, what do you think?
Sincerely,
Sir Kent, King of Austro-Hungaria Only for Warlord247Sounds good. In this case, when we make the final decision, I'll prepare a post to reorganize my forces for the current situation, since my last big reorganisation was based on a potential war with Germany, the one before you saved the Germans from those fascists, so I would need to make some adjustments first.
Also, if you have already counted, how many soldiers can you use for the invasion of the mainland France? And before we do anything, there's still one more thing. Will we attack via Benelux (we would have to invade Belgium first in that case, so we'd be slowed a bit and get some casualties, as they have near 750,000 soldiers) or via Maginot Line? (again it'll be a bit slow due to the fortifications, but may be better than invading a whole country first)
Edit: Spain and France are continuing to talk, and if somehow both Poland and Spain turn against us, the French and its allies' forces would be near equal with ours in terms of numbers, so we would have lost most of our advantages and numerical superiority, as well as now having to fight at numerious fronts at the same time. So, I believe that we will seriously need to either ensure Poland's loyalty or make sure Spain doesn't join the French (if not both).
In addition, a war with Italy is inevitable so long as they stay as fascists (plus your interests conflict with theirs in your southern regions, and you were very close to a war with them before the RP had entered the stalemate). So, if they return too, we would be severely disadvantaged that we may not win the war anymore.
Fighting against both France, Italy, Poland and Spain at the same time with only two of us, we would be highly disadvantaged. We need at least one solid and reliable ally in addition to ourselves, be it Poland (whose loyalties for us may have been lost, if your suspicions are true) or Spain (whom I heavily suspect due to their long conversations with French).
Yes, this will be slower than directly attacking first, but what shall fighting a war we cannot win bring us, other than doom? |
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Post by John Marston on Apr 15, 2023 3:24:06 GMT
1. Can someone explain me what is the table which says X to 15.5...V to 0/Dice effect? 2. What are the graphs? The Risk vs Reward ratio? Darth Nihilus , I'd like to know how you arrived at that. 3. Considering that we have a max score of 15 if I am not wrong, I think fatigue values should be halved. If I fight even for 3 consecutive pages, I'd get -2.5, which is a bit high I think. For 5 consecutive pages I'd get -4.5!? Correct me if I am wrong, but 5 pages = 0.5 x 5 = 2.5 Consecutive pages - 1,2/2,3/3,4/4,5 = 0.5 x 4 = 2 Total = 4.5 |
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Post by John Marston on Apr 15, 2023 3:30:55 GMT
Current army - 30x3 = 90 tanks
60x3 = 180 guns. My third factory produces 15 tanks and 30 guns.
Since it is not specified, and I haven't organized my army yet, I think I can deploy them any where. A detailed description will be given later, but 2,00,000 are along the Spanish - Portuguese border and 1,00,000 are placed on Gibraltar. The remaining are placed along the Franco - Spanish border.
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Post by John Marston on Apr 15, 2023 3:44:29 GMT
Only for Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov Sir, I think you might be worried that I have put troops across our border. I want to reassure you sir, that there is not a need to see this as a sign of escalation, but that the progress of our alliance as I am improving my Army's readiness. To show that I do not have any intentions of souring our relation, I warn you that the communists aka Warlord and The Doctor are going to attack you soon.
You sir, have been fighting on multiple fronts, so your army is fatigued. I request you to withdraw your army (while of course, leaving enough troops to garrison your captured provinces) and delay their attack at least until 5 pages so that your army recovers from fatigue and you get fresh troops.
Yours Truly, The Leader
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Apr 15, 2023 6:57:32 GMT
1. Can someone explain me what is the table which says X to 15.5...V to 0/Dice effect? 2. What are the graphs? The Risk vs Reward ratio? Darth Nihilus , I'd like to know how you arrived at that. 3. Considering that we have a max score of 15 if I am not wrong, I think fatigue values should be halved. If I fight even for 3 consecutive pages, I'd get -2.5, which is a bit high I think. For 5 consecutive pages I'd get -4.5!? Correct me if I am wrong, but 5 pages = 0.5 x 5 = 2.5 Consecutive pages - 1,2/2,3/3,4/4,5 = 0.5 x 4 = 2 Total = 4.5 I think you could start with using only the simple formula with troop sizes and terrain affecting the outcome. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Apr 15, 2023 7:23:44 GMT
Only for Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov Sir, I think you might be worried that I have put troops across our border. I want to reassure you sir, that there is not a need to see this as a sign of escalation, but that the progress of our alliance as I am improving my Army's readiness. To show that I do not have any intentions of souring our relation, I warn you that the communists aka Warlord and The Doctor are going to attack you soon.
You sir, have been fighting on multiple fronts, so your army is fatigued. I request you to withdraw your army (while of course, leaving enough troops to garrison your captured provinces) and delay their attack at least until 5 pages so that your army recovers from fatigue and you get fresh troops.
Yours Truly, The Leader
John Marston Only for John MarstonWell, it is not a surprise that such a long discussion by two totalitarians bears fruit. However, my fronts are very well defended, why should I withdraw? So that you can invade Portugal? The amount of troops you have deployed is not too large as of now, but do not bring any more forces to our borders. Moreover, I thank you for the information on the upcoming attack. If you really want an alliance, you should not talk about this conversation, but rather (which you here have done) create fake tension between us publicly. Also, if you are willing to join in the war against Austria-Hungary, I will let the Spanish troops from French land. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Apr 15, 2023 7:33:01 GMT
Current army - 30x3 = 90 tanks 60x3 = 180 guns. My third factory produces 15 tanks and 30 guns. Since it is not specified, and I haven't organized my army yet, I think I can deploy them any where. A detailed description will be given later, but 2,00,000 are along the Spanish - Portuguese border and 1,00,000 are placed on Gibraltar. The remaining are placed along the Franco - Spanish border. This is an outrage! 150 tanks from the Bilbao factory cross the border to Urrugna. The 29th Army and the 14th Armoured Division withdraw to the Franco-Spanish border. Additionally, the 12th Artillery Brigade and the 8th Army are moved from Paris to the border. The 26th Army withdraws to Portugal. Also, from page 50 onwards all of my factories will start producing tanks. |
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Post by John Marston on Apr 15, 2023 9:49:41 GMT
1. Can someone explain me what is the table which says X to 15.5...V to 0/Dice effect? 2. What are the graphs? The Risk vs Reward ratio? Darth Nihilus , I'd like to know how you arrived at that. 3. Considering that we have a max score of 15 if I am not wrong, I think fatigue values should be halved. If I fight even for 3 consecutive pages, I'd get -2.5, which is a bit high I think. For 5 consecutive pages I'd get -4.5!? Correct me if I am wrong, but 5 pages = 0.5 x 5 = 2.5 Consecutive pages - 1,2/2,3/3,4/4,5 = 0.5 x 4 = 2 Total = 4.5 I think you could start with using only the simple formula with troop sizes and terrain affecting the outcome. So fatigue is not counted here? |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Apr 15, 2023 9:54:29 GMT
I think you could start with using only the simple formula with troop sizes and terrain affecting the outcome. So fatigue is not counted here? Well, for the first few battles I think it's reasonable to start with only the few most important outcome factors. |
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Post by John Marston on Apr 15, 2023 10:11:40 GMT
Only for Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov Sir, I think you might be worried that I have put troops across our border. I want to reassure you sir, that there is not a need to see this as a sign of escalation, but that the progress of our alliance as I am improving my Army's readiness. To show that I do not have any intentions of souring our relation, I warn you that the communists aka Warlord and The Doctor are going to attack you soon.
You sir, have been fighting on multiple fronts, so your army is fatigued. I request you to withdraw your army (while of course, leaving enough troops to garrison your captured provinces) and delay their attack at least until 5 pages so that your army recovers from fatigue and you get fresh troops.
Yours Truly, The Leader
John Marston Only for John Marston Well, it is not a surprise that such a long discussion by two totalitarians bears fruit. However, my fronts are very well defended, why should I withdraw? So that you can invade Portugal? The amount of troops you have deployed is not too large as of now, but do not bring any more forces to our borders. Moreover, I thank you for the information on the upcoming attack. If you really want an alliance, you should not talk about this conversation, but rather (which you here have done) create fake tension between us publicly. Also, if you are willing to join in the war against Austria-Hungary, I will let the Spanish troops from French land. Only for Kliment Jefremovitš VorošilovNo sire, I can assure you that I have no intentions of invading Portugal. I don't really know how troops you had. I was just warning you.
Regarding which side I will be in, I think I might play as a spy in their camp, if you like. I'm still pretty much weak and have just 3 factories. Before that, I just want you to know that I WILL NOT THREATEN YOU IN ANY WAY and I want you to assure me the same. I definitely will work on faking the tensions. |
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Post by John Marston on Apr 15, 2023 10:15:40 GMT
Current army - 30x3 = 90 tanks 60x3 = 180 guns. My third factory produces 15 tanks and 30 guns. Since it is not specified, and I haven't organized my army yet, I think I can deploy them any where. A detailed description will be given later, but 2,00,000 are along the Spanish - Portuguese border and 1,00,000 are placed on Gibraltar. The remaining are placed along the Franco - Spanish border. This is an outrage! 150 tanks from the Bilbao factory cross the border to Urrugna. The 29th Army and the 14th Armoured Division withdraw to the Franco-Spanish border. Additionally, the 12th Artillery Brigade and the 8th Army are moved from Paris to the border. The 26th Army withdraws to Portugal. Also, from page 50 onwards all of my factories will start producing tanks. All I want is peace. I do not want to attack you. But we won't go down without a fight if attacked. I'm merely defending my borders. |
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Post by John Marston on Apr 15, 2023 10:30:05 GMT
John Marston only With France now much weaker, I would like to ask for an initial offensive. With their current numbers, you could cut off their units in Spain without the ability for them to send reinforcements. As long as you can hold them their, me and the USSR could push into their homeland, and force capitulation before they can do much damage.
Please consider the plan
Sincerely,
Sir Kent, King of Austria-Hungary Only for Warlord247I don't know how much of a fight I can put up. I joined 50 pages late and have very little army to speak of. If I fight, my nation will be conquered and subjugated. As much I would like to fight against the French, I can't.
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Post by Eugene V. Debs on Apr 15, 2023 10:43:26 GMT
Only for John MarstonGreetings, dear Spanish friend,
I am afraid the French are acting against you just because you deploy your troops on your borders to defend yourself. Isn't it ridiculous? You are just protecting your borders, which is only natural.
First, I would like to explain a few things to you, if you don't mind.
My relationship with the French is a bit complicated. We used to be actively allies, though after they started coming closer to the fascists Italians and protested my and Poland's cooperation with Austria-Hungary for dividing Romania amongst us, our relationsip got complicated. I am techinically still friendly with them, but we haven't spoken for a long time.
Therefore, I then decided that we, the communists, should no longer hold back and defend ourselves against the bourgeoisie, to unite the humanity under the flag of The International, to achieve the eternal peace of the humanity under a stateles fraternity of humanity.
This meant that, as Austria-Hungary is pro-communist unlike the French, our relationship with them got better and here we are now. France is agressive against you, and if they continue to do so, they shall find us against them. I don't want things to go hostile with them, but as long as they are anti-communist, our ultimate conflict is inevitable, which I am sad as there is no peaceful solution if they keep being anti-communist.
And, your ongoing long conversations with the French is concerning (and weird, as they objected to your deployment). I thought my Austrian friend had come to a friendly point with you? But you continue talking with both sides at the same time, which is concerning. We see that the French is trying to form an alliance against Austria-Hungary (and potentially, me, but I don't know) with you and Poland, if I am not wrong, due to their correspondences with the said countries. So, I find it disappointing that you participate in such an act, if my guess is really right, and there is no other explanation anyway.
I wish only friendship with you. We the Soviet Union, are the decisive force in Europe, being the biggest country and the strongest military of the world. My one action can change the future of your country for the better, if you are on my side.
I neither know what the future shall bring, nor who shall fight against who. But no matter what happens, I shall fight for communism. If you are on this with me, then no one can stand against us. |
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