𝕵𝖔𝖆𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝕬𝖗𝖈
Major
(Currently Sieging Orléans)
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Post by 𝕵𝖔𝖆𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝕬𝖗𝖈 on Jun 23, 2023 1:13:36 GMT
I find it really amusing when Manuel attacks and there's a giant explosion from the Byzantine Grenadiers. He does a bit less damage than Timur, but he's funny so I keep him.
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𝕵𝖔𝖆𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝕬𝖗𝖈
Major
(Currently Sieging Orléans)
Posts: 164
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Post by 𝕵𝖔𝖆𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝕬𝖗𝖈 on Jun 23, 2023 6:02:27 GMT
I don't think the firearms expert is quite working. In theory, a Dragoon in Manuel's setup should function as a Mongolian Raider replacement. So why on earth is my Manual now only able to do two attacks instead of three? (Without the help of any other support.)
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Post by flebowski on Jun 23, 2023 9:15:36 GMT
Can you enlighten me? How do you attack 8 times? Legion: MA+MR+Dragoons. Gear: Rhinoceros lvl 3. Initial mobility = 11, +4 mobility from MR dodge, first attack cost 0, each consequent attack except of the last one costs 2 (-1 with MR, -1 with firearms expert, -1 with gear, +1 mobility is restored after each attack) Maybe I'm missing something, how do you get +4 mobility from MR dodge? 8 attacks are possible anyway with +2 from MR dodge and +1 from MA.
You also forgot to mention rapid march gem combination is needed to achieve 8 attacks.
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Post by flebowski on Jun 23, 2023 9:30:36 GMT
I don't think the firearms expert is quite working. In theory, a Dragoon in Manuel's setup should function as a Mongolian Raider replacement. So why on earth is my Manual now only able to do two attacks instead of three? (Without the help of any other support.) It depends on your legion composition. If you're using Byzantine Flamethrower (9 mobility) I don't think it's possible to attack three times without Dragoon's initial -3, MR +2 after dodge or rhinoceros lvl 3. Or the addition of rapid march/mobility gem if you use MA/Ravenna.
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Post by nexttimebro on Jun 23, 2023 10:32:07 GMT
Legion: MA+MR+Dragoons. Gear: Rhinoceros lvl 3. Initial mobility = 11, +4 mobility from MR dodge, first attack cost 0, each consequent attack except of the last one costs 2 (-1 with MR, -1 with firearms expert, -1 with gear, +1 mobility is restored after each attack) Maybe I'm missing something, how do you get +4 mobility from MR dodge? 8 attacks are possible anyway with +2 from MR dodge and +1 from MA. You also forgot to mention rapid march gem combination is needed to achieve 8 attacks. MR dodge is a legion effect, so it gives you +2 for each unit that dodged an attack (if you have 3 range cavalry units it will be +6) Rapid march is not needed here because Dragoons have 10 mobility by default (other range infantry units have 9) |
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Post by flebowski on Jun 23, 2023 11:30:09 GMT
Maybe I'm missing something, how do you get +4 mobility from MR dodge? 8 attacks are possible anyway with +2 from MR dodge and +1 from MA. You also forgot to mention rapid march gem combination is needed to achieve 8 attacks. MR dodge is a legion effect, so it gives you +2 for each unit that dodged an attack (if you have 3 range cavalry units it will be +6) Rapid march is not needed here because Dragoons have 10 mobility by default (other range infantry units have 9) I've never seen a +6 after an attack and I often get triple dodge using IBC+MA+MR. It would be awesome, but I don't think that's the case. Your premise was initial 11 mobility and that's only achievable with rapid march or mobility gem. With 10 initial mobility it's possible to get 7 attacks, but not 8.
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Post by Anh Duy on Jun 23, 2023 11:37:52 GMT
Maybe I'm missing something, how do you get +4 mobility from MR dodge? 8 attacks are possible anyway with +2 from MR dodge and +1 from MA. You also forgot to mention rapid march gem combination is needed to achieve 8 attacks. MR dodge is a legion effect, so it gives you +2 for each unit that dodged an attack (if you have 3 range cavalry units it will be +6) Rapid march is not needed here because Dragoons have 10 mobility by default (other range infantry units have 9)  That is not how MR talent (and literally every legion effect) work, this's written right here that the +2 mobility effect only work 1 time per turn, one of you army dodge it will +2 and that is |
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Post by anastasios on Jun 23, 2023 17:50:16 GMT
What's the best unit combination for manuel, assuming all units are maxed out. Also what do you think is the place of the new units in the meta? Finally, wouldn't it be more beneficial to equip manuel with some canon than rhinoceros?
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Post by jonblend on Jun 26, 2023 21:09:36 GMT
What's the best unit combination for manuel, assuming all units are maxed out. Also what do you think is the place of the new units in the meta? Finally, wouldn't it be more beneficial to equip manuel with some canon than rhinoceros? I guess MR, Dragoon and Flamethrower, probably with rapid march. Time/experience/higher levels of flamethrower are needed, and for the cannon question, I'm not sure about the skill; from reading it sounds like only effective when attacking cities. |
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Post by mrlamo on Jun 27, 2023 2:17:07 GMT
Can you enlighten me? How do you attack 8 times? Legion: MA+MR+Dragoons. Gear: Rhinoceros lvl 3. Initial mobility = 11, +4 mobility from MR dodge, first attack cost 0, each consequent attack except of the last one costs 2 (-1 with MR, -1 with firearms expert, -1 with gear, +1 mobility is restored after each attack) excuse my noob question but what are MA and MR? |
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Post by Anh Duy on Jun 27, 2023 2:22:10 GMT
Legion: MA+MR+Dragoons. Gear: Rhinoceros lvl 3. Initial mobility = 11, +4 mobility from MR dodge, first attack cost 0, each consequent attack except of the last one costs 2 (-1 with MR, -1 with firearms expert, -1 with gear, +1 mobility is restored after each attack) excuse my noob question but what are MA and MR? Mamluk Archer and Mongolian Raider |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jun 27, 2023 12:54:13 GMT
This is one of the few Generals that you want to give 5 legions to unlock his full potential. His unique weapon is not easy to pick up, his units are late in the game and hard to upgrade to a useful level, also the troop talent is hard to upgrade because you have to go through Zhuge Battalion. When all this is taken into account, he gets a 4*, otherwise a very interesting and useful General on the battlefield.
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jul 7, 2023 11:53:15 GMT
His unique weapon has been fixed, without Master Shooter +1 or War Support +1 😡
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Post by verily on Jul 8, 2023 10:40:18 GMT
His unique weapon has been fixed, without Master Shooter +1 or War Support +1 😡 yeah. why you do this ET 😡 lost a versatile archer general |
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Post by Anh Duy on Jul 8, 2023 15:35:58 GMT
His unique weapon has been fixed, without Master Shooter +1 or War Support +1 😡 The game developer has decided the attribute of Manuel I from the previous update, the fixing is just correct the translation, I think I have to go with Master Skirmisher for the skill upgrade to neft him for balance the game since he's a free general |
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