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Post by Franz von Hipper on May 2, 2016 2:52:35 GMT
I was wondering what generals are the most undeserving of their tier, stars and ability? For me it's probably Dearborn, I can't see what he did that was so exceptional to deserve a purple card and be on par with the likes of Jean Lannes. He was good in the revolutionary war but rubbish in 1812. |
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Post by Jean Lannes on May 2, 2016 2:58:56 GMT
Wellington (he wasn't as good)
Berthier (he has Bessières' skills)
Grouchy (Ireland Expedition and Waterloo)
Ney (Waterloo)
Golitsyn (not as good)
Benningsen (horrible irl, he was drunk at Austerlitz)*
*A Russian captain saw the French under Soult coming from the Pratzen and told Bennigsen about the fact that they were about to be encircled. Bennigsen (drunk) replied "My dear, you see enemies everywhere". The captain replied with "But you Sir, in your state, don't see any"
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Post by Franz von Hipper on May 2, 2016 3:28:17 GMT
Wellington (he wasn't as good) Berthier (he has Bessières' skills) Grouchy (Ireland Expedition and Waterloo) Ney (Waterloo) Golitsyn (not as good) Benningsen (horrible irl, he was drunk at Austerlitz)* *A Russian captain saw the French under Soult coming from the Pratzen and told Bennigsen about the fact that they were about to be encircled. Bennigsen (drunk) replied "My dear, you see enemies everywhere". The captain replied with "But you Sir, in your state, don't see any" Wellington did manage to beat Napoleon, sure he may sometimes be overestimated in his abilities irl, but he was an excellent general and does deserve the purple card and is ig stats I agree with Berthier While I think Grouchy does get too much flack for Waterloo, he only followed orders, still he should be a green card in game on par with Scharnhorst. Ney was a solid commander, he was overestimated in irl, but is accurate in game Golitsyn was a good general and is well represented in the game, but maybe a bit overestimated irl Benningsen, tbh i am not even sure he was at Austerlitz, I didn't find any mention of that. |
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Post by Jean Lannes on May 2, 2016 3:56:12 GMT
Wellington (he wasn't as good) Berthier (he has Bessières' skills) Grouchy (Ireland Expedition and Waterloo) Ney (Waterloo) Golitsyn (not as good) Benningsen (horrible irl, he was drunk at Austerlitz)* *A Russian captain saw the French under Soult coming from the Pratzen and told Bennigsen about the fact that they were about to be encircled. Bennigsen (drunk) replied "My dear, you see enemies everywhere". The captain replied with "But you Sir, in your state, don't see any" Wellington did manage to beat Napoleon, sure he may sometimes be overestimated in his abilities irl, but he was an excellent general and does deserve the purple card and is ig stats I agree with Berthier While I think Grouchy does get too much flack for Waterloo, he only followed orders, still he should be a green card in game on par with Scharnhorst. Ney was a solid commander, he was overestimated in irl, but is accurate in game Golitsyn was a good general and is well represented in the game, but maybe a bit overestimated irl Benningsen, tbh i am not even sure he was at Austerlitz, I didn't find any mention of that. He also got rekt by Lannes 3 times in the same campaign. At Pultusk he got rekt hardcore At Heilsberg again And at Friedland |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on May 3, 2016 0:19:46 GMT
NEVER FORGET WILHELM!
He should have no skills or stars, except defensive art because it makes him as stupid to fight as he was irl
Also I think Jackson deserves to be on the list, he beat the crap out of innocent, defenseless natives and literally singlehandedly caused the first great financial crisis in US history, and his history as a commander certainly is not as legendary as he is made out to be.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on May 3, 2016 0:24:47 GMT
NEVER FORGET WILHELM! He should have no skills or stars, except defensive art because it makes him as stupid to fight as he was irl Also I think Jackson deserves to be on the list, he beat the crap out of innocent, defenseless natives and literally singlehandedly caused the first great financial crisis in US history, and his history as a commander certainly is not as legendary as he is made out to be. Question: Why Jackson has Economic Master while he caused an economic disaster? |
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Post by Mountbatten on May 3, 2016 0:46:10 GMT
Jackson won a pointless battle at New Orleans. He's got that going for him.
Washington does not deserve his skills. From what I've read and heard, Washington was a garbage military leader, losing way more battles than he won. He did good at Princeton and Trenton, but meh. I think he should be tier 2 with Eco master and mass fire/ some type of fighting skill. Maybe defense art.
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on May 3, 2016 0:48:43 GMT
NEVER FORGET WILHELM! He should have no skills or stars, except defensive art because it makes him as stupid to fight as he was irl Also I think Jackson deserves to be on the list, he beat the crap out of innocent, defenseless natives and literally singlehandedly caused the first great financial crisis in US history, and his history as a commander certainly is not as legendary as he is made out to be. Question: Why Jackson has Economic Master while he caused an economic disaster? Easytech did zero research again, Of course |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on May 3, 2016 1:32:51 GMT
Jackson closed the (literal) National Bank (owned by the government), but literally just like closed it and that was that, so without any other large banks the national almost instantly fell into a massive deflationary crisis as the only way to pay for things became foreign coinage, causing the US dollar to be worth (technically) astronomical amounts of gold, but causing a failure of many settlers in the western US, directly because of Jackson's actions.
In some circles people believe his actions are justified because the National Bank, especially at the time, seemed a massive breach in the Constitution and a real threat to State Rights, and they are right in a way but personally I think his handling of the issue was terrible.
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on May 3, 2016 1:37:03 GMT
Jackson won a pointless battle at New Orleans. He's got that going for him. Washington does not deserve his skills. From what I've read and heard, Washington was a garbage military leader, losing way more battles than he won. He did good at Princeton and Trenton, but meh. I think he should be tier 2 with Eco master and mass fire/ some type of fighting skill. Maybe defense art. Washington was certainly a skilled leader, if over-romanticized in America, but his skills should be more in line with Poniatowski's because of Washington's role as a coordinator to a very independent and (lets be nice and call them spirited) army. He deserves the Leadership skill and Assault art, and maybe mass fire, but 2-3 infantry stars, no artillery stars, no cavalry stars, maybe a navy star, 3-4 business stars, and 3 training stars, in my opinion. |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on May 3, 2016 1:41:15 GMT
It should be remembered Washington had farmhands and rabble to work with, and that he had to build his force from the ground up, and also had very few expirienced and able commanders to help him.
Its not like one man can run an entire army...which he tried to do
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Post by Jean Lannes on May 3, 2016 3:07:21 GMT
NEVER FORGET WILHELM! He should have no skills or stars, except defensive art because it makes him as stupid to fight as he was irl Also I think Jackson deserves to be on the list, he beat the crap out of innocent, defenseless natives and literally singlehandedly caused the first great financial crisis in US history, and his history as a commander certainly is not as legendary as he is made out to be. Question: Why Jackson has Economic Master while he caused an economic disaster? I really don't want to get into politics especially since this is currently a hot debated issue in the USA with the $20 bill and so on. Jackson pretty much went against the Second Bank of the United States of America and Nullification Crisis caused some states to almost secede. Jackson likely has economic master thanks to him claiming to be for the average American in the 1832 election in fighting the Second Bank of the USA. I kindly ask everybody to not get political at all since this is a very controversial topic |
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Post by Jean Lannes on May 3, 2016 3:09:52 GMT
It should be remembered Washington had farmhands and rabble to work with, and that he had to build his force from the ground up, and also had very few expirienced and able commanders to help him. Its not like one man can run an entire army...which he tried to do you have to remember that most of the fame that went to Washington should've went to France. Without French support the rebels could've never won. 90% of their gun powder was French supplied, the French/Spanish navy held off most of the British navies, and the French actively fought in the colonies with their naval victory at Yorktown probably being the most important naval battle of the 18th Century |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on May 3, 2016 10:03:24 GMT
It should be remembered Washington had farmhands and rabble to work with, and that he had to build his force from the ground up, and also had very few expirienced and able commanders to help him. Its not like one man can run an entire army...which he tried to do you have to remember that most of the fame that went to Washington should've went to France. Without French support the rebels could've never won. 90% of their gun powder was French supplied, the French/Spanish navy held off most of the British navies, and the French actively fought in the colonies with their naval victory at Yorktown probably being the most important naval battle of the 18th Century This is very true, especially in the late stage when Americans forget all over the world the French were messing w/ the British, which is why France came so into debt at the end |
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Post by Mountbatten on May 3, 2016 11:00:51 GMT
Question: Why Jackson has Economic Master while he caused an economic disaster? I really don't want to get into politics especially since this is currently a hot debated issue in the USA with the $20 bill and so on. Jackson pretty much went against the Second Bank of the United States of America and Nullification Crisis caused some states to almost secede. Jackson likely has economic master thanks to him claiming to be for the average American in the 1832 election in fighting the Second Bank of the USA. I kindly ask everybody to not get political at all since this is a very controversial topic I'm convinced Easytech just throws random skills on generals. I wouldn't delve too deeply into the meaning of their skill |
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