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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 9, 2016 22:36:11 GMT
It's not really fair to them being constantly discriminated against. It's all too easy to clump the deaf people along with the other disabled. But the Deaf is uniquely the only singular "disabled" group to create their very own community by themselves. They also have developed their own language for themselves. And in forced isolation from the rest of the population, the Deaf community has an evolution of culture to a point where it's vastly different than the country where the Deaf reside in.
What's more... it's extremely insulting to them being treated as "second-class" citizens. They don't necessarily have mental *Auto Corrected*ation (while individuals do varies just like any other groups such as the general population of America).
But it's nearly always assumed that somehow the intelligence of a Deaf individual is in doubt every time a hearing person interact with such an individual even if there's no concluded proof of his *Auto Corrected*ation. The Deaf just don't really "sound" like they're smart. And it's too much of a bother for a hearing person to interact with a person that "needs some accommodation" in order to succeed.
Even the blind are being treated far better than the Deaf. Normal people speaks with the blind and they treat the blind with respect and couresty as full human beings. But they treat the Deaf persons as if they are not equals, a part of the mentally *Auto Corrected*ed population that needs to be taken care of, and supervised, and left on the sidelines.
I wish to inform people here that this is really shouldn't be accepted as status quo.
The Deaf people are NOT disabled. Their only restrictions are mainly communication with the other people who are grossly ignorant. Not being able to hear doesn't mean a person can't use his brain cells to think. Not being able to hear doesn't mean he can't do math. Not being able to hear doesn't mean he can't drive a car. Not being able to hear doesn't mean a person is unable of comprehend something that's obviously visible on a piece of paper or a computer screen.
The Deaf people just can't hear, but they're are fully capable of doing anything like basketball or rocket science.
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 9, 2016 22:52:07 GMT
If you have questions on what is fine or what is not fine on how to interact with a Deaf person, or have any questions about the Deaf population in general, I would gladly explain to you. No, this is not a soapbox rant thread. It's just an overdue educational thread.  |
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Post by Bismarck on Jun 9, 2016 23:15:11 GMT
This seems a bit political :/
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 9, 2016 23:20:45 GMT
This seems a bit political :/ Butter or garlic can be poltical.  Besides the point of this thread is to have a place where you guys can learn about the Deaf people so they don't have to put up with yet another clueless well-intentioned hearing person. That sounds harsh, but I'm just putting forth what the Deaf persons has to go through every day, each day. It's not a burden not being able to use one's ears, but it can be a burden in dealing with people who assume that Deafness is something that needs curing or to be treated for. You know what I mean by that? |
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Post by Horatio Nelson on Jun 10, 2016 1:46:31 GMT
If someone can understand all of those hand signs/signals, they're pretty smart in my book.
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jun 11, 2016 6:07:34 GMT
1) Most people never really interacted with deaf people. I myself have only seen 2 and they are the only one's I tried to talk to.
2) I have never seen a deaf person refused service or openly discriminated. There have been cases of blind people getting tricked for example But I never heard or saw that happen to a deaf person.
3) People these days (and excuse me if it sounds aggressive) get offended by everything. TV shows, video games (yes, seriously), books, movies, social behavior, literally how someone sits, etc. I know this is a hot topic and it will be the first and last time I say it. Just note that discrimination used to be much worse but we are at a point of equality for everybody and if we aren't completely we sure as heck are nearing close to that point. If anybody wants to go further into this and before I get a warning PM me
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 11, 2016 6:23:09 GMT
I understand that. It's harder to recognize what is happening in a Deaf person's life in comparison to your life.
Most discrimination has improved but also becomes more invisible now.
For example as a soft discrimination: a Deaf person apply for a job that he is perfectly qualified for. The HR also receive an application from a hearing person who can speak to the HR on a verbal basis. It's going to be a lot more comfortable for the HR to stick to what the company is already familiar with. Guess who gets hired and doesn't get hired?
If someone presses the question - why? Typically the HR will come up with various smokescreen dodging, but once truly pressed for an actual answer, it can come up sometimes like this: "it's just harder to deal with someone that I have to write down to communicate and it's more costly to hire an interpreter for company meetings anyway. It just makes more sense to not bother with it than to go through it."
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Or how about when a Deaf person is dealing with a clerk at the counter for something like a driver's license or a passport. The Deaf person is going to have to write back and forth with any hearing person in his everyday life. Many Deaf persons don't mind accommodating the communication limitations of hearing people who doesn't speak in ASL (American Sign Language).
Now, in the middle of the process, if a well-intentioned hearing person comes by and tries to step into it... the hearing person will speak to the clerk, and from the clerk's presumptive habits, the clerk will cease to communicate with the Deaf person and switch over to the hearing person automatically. It happens even if the Deaf person never gave the other person authorization to handle the Deaf person's personal information and rights for his behalf.
The clerk and the other hearing person will proceed with the conversation verbally and leave the Deaf person completely out of the loop even though this subject is essentially supposed to be handled by this Deaf person who was doing just fine in communication with the clerk in the first place.
This is a good example of soft discrimination. I hope this is enlightening to readers here.
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Post by Horatio Nelson on Jun 11, 2016 6:45:27 GMT
1) Most people never really interacted with deaf people. I myself have only seen 2 and they are the only one's I tried to talk to. 2) I have never seen a deaf person refused service or openly discriminated. There have been cases of blind people getting tricked for example But I never heard or saw that happen to a deaf person. 3) People these days (and excuse me if it sounds aggressive) get offended by everything. TV shows, video games (yes, seriously), books, movies, social behavior, literally how someone sits, etc. I know this is a hot topic and it will be the first and last time I say it. Just note that discrimination used to be much worse but we are at a point of equality for everybody and if we aren't completely we sure as heck are nearing close to that point. If anybody wants to go further into this and before I get a warning PM me I couldn't agree more, well said. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 4, 2016 4:00:04 GMT
Moving to less heated zone: Desophaeus, how the heck do you communicate with people who don't know ASL |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Jul 4, 2016 4:02:19 GMT
Moving to less heated zone: Desophaeus, how the heck do you communicate with people who don't know ASL same question, how? |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 4, 2016 4:03:20 GMT
Moving to less heated zone: Desophaeus, how the heck do you communicate with people who don't know ASL same question, how? Assuming in person, OFC |
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Post by best75 on Jul 4, 2016 4:15:56 GMT
That example I remember watching WWYD and in a scenario they had a deaf person apply for a job application but were rejected because they were deaf.
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 4, 2016 4:30:02 GMT
Assuming no interpreter are at the location (more on this later), I tend to communicate by writing back and forth on a piece of paper. Sure, I can talk with my voice, but I don't really like to do so. It's a bit unrealistic to expect me to talk in a way that everyone else can do so without a bad accent if I can't really hear myself clearly and rightly.
And hearing the other person, I am profoundly deaf to the point where I simply don't hear voices at the normal level. If someone tries to shout, that just makes things way too garbled to be clear anyway. Don't bother doing that to anyone you happen to bump into, you guys, please?
I do some lipreading (but not the hillbillies in the South, forget it, too heavily accented).
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 4, 2016 4:30:46 GMT
Setting this aside in a seperate path: I can read lips BUT the tv show "Switched At Birth" is total crap, and pure hogwash, and 100% baloney, and bon fide garbage. A professional lip-reader, ANY, would simply tell you that it's extremely dependant upon the context known in advance. And even then... a pro would maybe manage to pull words from a person's lips just about 40% to 10% of the time. The rest has to be reconstructed in the lip-reader's mind, basing heavily on preassumptions, foreknowledge of topics, and awareness of the other persons. The fact that if a Deaf person manage to get by with some lipreading is an achievement that's rarely matched with any hearing person. It's akin to coming into a foreign country and try to lip-read someone speaking in a language that you do know but don't speak in it as a native speaker. Napoleon Bonaparte lip-reading Bismarck in German for example... Even if he has studied and used Deutsch for some many years, it would be a brutal task of brain capacity and liguistic-related processing skills and not to mention intelligence for Napoleon Bonaparte to properly read lips in that language that is not quite of his own. So for me, even though I am familiar with English for so long, it is still very much hit-and-miss with lipreading, I occasionally have to insist over and over that the hearing person must write down what he had said a moment ago that wasn't quite clear whether it be vague context issues in the conversation or simply bad pronunciation on his part. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 4, 2016 4:35:53 GMT
That example I remember watching WWYD and in a scenario they had a deaf person apply for a job application but were rejected because they were deaf. That's the forthcoming discrimination in the open kind. It's still happening on occasion, but the soft discrimination I mentioned in my post IS far more commonplace amd happens to me pratically everyday all of my life. Right now, I am in Florida for 4 months so far and I am still searching for a job while my wife was lucky enough to be moving into the area with a job offer in advance. I don't mind moving here, as it will advance her career forward and I still can proceed further with my college degree completion (it will cost me at least a year in loss of credits for the change in majors selection though). So that's good regardless anyhow. Don't feel sorry for me. Just feel sorry for the hearing people. (In Mr. T style) I pity da fool who discriminate meh! |
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