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Post by Von Bismarck jr on Jul 4, 2016 6:18:06 GMT
That example I remember watching WWYD and in a scenario they had a deaf person apply for a job application but were rejected because they were deaf. That's the forthcoming discrimination in the open kind. It's still happening on occasion, but the soft discrimination I mentioned in my post IS far more commonplace amd happens to me pratically everyday all of my life. Right now, I am in Florida for 4 months so far and I am still searching for a job while my wife was lucky enough to be moving into the area with a job offer in advance. I don't mind moving here, as it will advance her career forward and I still can proceed further with my college degree completion (it will cost me at least a year in loss of credits for the change in majors selection though). So that's good regardless anyhow.  Don't feel sorry for me. Just feel sorry for the hearing people. (In Mr. T style) I pity da fool who discriminate meh!  I pity tha fool who discriminates you! So, story time (related to thread). I'm in my high schools JROTC (The course that gets you a higher rank if you enlist into the military and gets you a TON of community service hours). Well, every 5 weeks or so, we'd do a community dinner at a local church. There were two people there who we came to help: one deaf, one close to it. I never really interacted with the near-deaf woman, but the deaf man was a joy to be around. He never spoke with us, but he was very nice and playful, particularly with me. He'd be on my left, tap my right shoulder and trick me, sneak up on me when I wasn't looking, just do all the fun stuff he could within his "disability." I'm signed up for ROTC again, hopefully I'll see him. But what's it like being deaf, Deso? Do you imagine voices in your head when people talk? Can you not go anywhere without some way to translate ASL? What is it like to interact with the average joe (even though your perfectly normal anyway)? And, a question that has been in my mind for as long as I knew about being deaf: Do you have your own voice in your head??? I'm sure, when we think, we think in our own voices, right? But do the deaf? |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Jul 4, 2016 7:28:22 GMT
That's the forthcoming discrimination in the open kind. It's still happening on occasion, but the soft discrimination I mentioned in my post IS far more commonplace amd happens to me pratically everyday all of my life. Right now, I am in Florida for 4 months so far and I am still searching for a job while my wife was lucky enough to be moving into the area with a job offer in advance. I don't mind moving here, as it will advance her career forward and I still can proceed further with my college degree completion (it will cost me at least a year in loss of credits for the change in majors selection though). So that's good regardless anyhow. Don't feel sorry for me. Just feel sorry for the hearing people. (In Mr. T style) I pity da fool who discriminate meh! I pity tha fool who discriminates you! So, story time (related to thread). I'm in my high schools JROTC (The course that gets you a higher rank if you enlist into the military and gets you a TON of community service hours). Well, every 5 weeks or so, we'd do a community dinner at a local church. There were two people there who we came to help: one deaf, one close to it. I never really interacted with the near-deaf woman, but the deaf man was a joy to be around. He never spoke with us, but he was very nice and playful, particularly with me. He'd be on my left, tap my right shoulder and trick me, sneak up on me when I wasn't looking, just do all the fun stuff he could within his "disability." I'm signed up for ROTC again, hopefully I'll see him. But what's it like being deaf, Deso? Do you imagine voices in your head when people talk? Can you not go anywhere without some way to translate ASL? What is it like to interact with the average joe (even though your perfectly normal anyway)? And, a question that has been in my mind for as long as I knew about being deaf: Do you have your own voice in your head??? I'm sure, when we think, we think in our own voices, right? But do the deaf? well I admit you pretty much asked half the questions I had in my mind (that's a good thing for me I think  ) I too have some questions. 1) what happens if you interact with a person who doesn't know ASL and just wouldn't stop talking to you? (I know this is situational, but you know....) 2) all those sounds? How do you judge as to who was saying what? Also all those sounds on the streets, how do you guess them? #Respect-to-you-man! |
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 4, 2016 16:08:07 GMT
That example I remember watching WWYD and in a scenario they had a deaf person apply for a job application but were rejected because they were deaf. That may or may not be outrageous depending on the job. What was it? Because like, if it was for a piano tuner or something like that |
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Post by best75 on Jul 5, 2016 3:52:28 GMT
That example I remember watching WWYD and in a scenario they had a deaf person apply for a job application but were rejected because they were deaf. That may or may not be outrageous depending on the job. What was it? Because like, if it was for a piano tuner or something like that A kitchen job |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 5, 2016 4:04:13 GMT
That example I remember watching WWYD and in a scenario they had a deaf person apply for a job application but were rejected because they were deaf. That may or may not be outrageous depending on the job. What was it? Because like, if it was for a piano tuner or something like that COUGHBEETHOVENCOUGH I know he lost his hearing later in life, but I had to bring him (and that as opposed to deafness at birth) into the thread |
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 5, 2016 14:47:17 GMT
That may or may not be outrageous depending on the job. What was it? Because like, if it was for a piano tuner or something like that COUGHBEETHOVENCOUGH I know he lost his hearing later in life, but I had to bring him (and that as opposed to deafness at birth) into the thread Beethoven was near mastery in music, but you have to know his deafness brought limitations, and because he knew he could never hear music again he turned into a bit of a looney. Bipolar, throwing chairs at people, tried to eat his clothes etc. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 12, 2016 0:59:40 GMT
I'm back online, after being so sick for almost a week. I'll do my best to answer each question to full extent. And no, I'm not offended in any way (if anyone was wondering during my absence). I hope nobody thought I was reacting and left in anger when that's definitely not the reason why. I might bite, and I might have a mouth full of teeth, but I don't just go off chewing everyone. And to put people at ease, I already had my vaccine for rabies, trust me lol |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 12, 2016 1:03:22 GMT
That may or may not be outrageous depending on the job. What was it? Because like, if it was for a piano tuner or something like that A kitchen job Sounds about right, that's what I would have applied for. I don't ever bother applying for something like that piano tuner. Even though I am capable of working a job that I applied for, I do experience discrimination like best75 described just as any other Deaf persons. |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Jul 12, 2016 1:19:29 GMT
Man, I focus on racial based discrimination, never thought of the deaf. Thanks for bringing up this major issue with society Desophaeus. I have a question, can you read lips? I remember my English teacher told me that he had a deaf kid who could read lips, and, while I'm not assuming that all deaf people can read lips, can you and do you think its important to know? |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 12, 2016 1:30:10 GMT
COUGHBEETHOVENCOUGH I know he lost his hearing later in life, but I had to bring him (and that as opposed to deafness at birth) into the thread Beethoven was near mastery in music, but you have to know his deafness brought limitations, and because he knew he could never hear music again he turned into a bit of a looney. Bipolar, throwing chairs at people, tried to eat his clothes etc. That's a good example of a person who has hearing loss but lacks a proper personal identification as a Deaf person. It's fairly common in various degrees in how a person reconcile himself with the outside perceptive is a problem in itself (like a black man or a wounded soldier or whoever is out there really, like a white man who is perchieved as a privileged and rich American even though he's simply is middle-class and works a job). Now back to the Deaf community and the deaf persons who lacks that culture: sometimes it takes years before that person finally rejects the outside values and determines that inherently there is NOTHING missing or wrong with being Deaf (other than being born in a hearing world, unfortunately). For me, I was born to a couple of Deaf parents, so I grew up with childhood ties that would be normal for a hearing person with a pair of hearing parents. From birth, I understood that I functions as a person just as it is. I didn't realize that the world was actually a hearing world until I went to school. Imagine my surprise when people mocked my deafness.  Took me a while to adust to the messed up perspectives of the crowd, plus I grew through some rough experiences that shaped me into an adult. So... I am perfectly comfortable with myself as a whole person who doesn't rely on his ears but instead relies far more on his eyes and his brains in place of those ears. Some of my friends who do have hearing loss as well, well... some of them do frustrate me with their hesitation in being simply a Deaf person without limits. It's probably like being a person of Chinese descent frustrated by people who tries to pass themselves off as non-Asians in a country that isn't friendly to Asians. Other than surgery, there's no way to remove the slanted eye shapes. And for hearing loss, a surgery would be equivalent to ripping your eyes out and replace them with red lasers to "improve your eyesight". If it was that visually disturbing, then a cochlear implant is no less disgusting as becoming a human being with red mechanical eyes. Think about that, lol. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 12, 2016 1:36:40 GMT
Beethoven was near mastery in music, but you have to know his deafness brought limitations, and because he knew he could never hear music again he turned into a bit of a looney. Bipolar, throwing chairs at people, tried to eat his clothes etc. That's a good example of a person who has hearing loss but lacks a proper personal identification as a Deaf person. It's fairly common in various degrees in how a person reconcile himself with the outside perceptive is a problem in itself (like a black man or a wounded soldier or whoever is out there really, like a white man who is perchieved as a privileged and rich American even though he's simply is middle-class and works a job). Now back to the Deaf community and the deaf persons who lacks that culture: sometimes it takes years before that person finally rejects the outside values and determines that inherently there is NOTHING missing or wrong with being Deaf (other than being born in a hearing world, unfortunately). For me, I was born to a couple of Deaf parents, so I grew up with childhood ties that would be normal for a hearing person with a pair of hearing parents. From birth, I understood that I functions as a person just as it is. I didn't realize that the world was actually a hearing world until I went to school. Imagine my surprise when people mocked my deafness. Took me a while to adust to the messed up perspectives of the crowd, plus I grew through some rough experiences that shaped me into an adult. So... I am perfectly comfortable with myself as a whole person who doesn't rely on his ears but instead relies far more on his eyes and his brains in place of those ears. Some of my friends who do have hearing loss as well, well... some of them do frustrate me with their hesitation in being simply a Deaf person without limits. It's probably like being a person of Chinese descent frustrated by people who tries to pass themselves off as non-Asians in a country that isn't friendly to Asians. Other than surgery, there's no way to remove the slanted eye shapes. And for hearing loss, a surgery would be equivalent to ripping your eyes out and replace them with red lasers to "improve your eyesight". If it was that visually disturbing, then a cochlear implant is no less disgusting as becoming a human being with red mechanical eyes. Think about that, lol. Plus, nothing wrong with deafness anyway. I wouldn't know by web of you didn't tell |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 12, 2016 1:44:10 GMT
Man, I focus on racial based discrimination, never thought of the deaf. Thanks for bringing up this major issue with society Desophaeus. I have a question, can you read lips? I remember my English teacher told me that he had a deaf kid who could read lips, and, while I'm not assuming that all deaf people can read lips, can you and do you think its important to know? Good questions and I did answer, I wrote two lengthy posts on the first page to answer that. But I don't want to bore by repeating what I did post. I'll add, it does helps keep some not quite honest hearing people honest on occasion for me. You would be surprised how much crap people try to pull off behind my back figuratively, and they assume that I wouldn't know. I am Deaf, not necessarily stupid. Probably the closest analog would what I remembered seeing on Smallville. One time Lionel Luthor on Smallville (father of Lex Luthor) was blinded but eventually regained his sight. He kept up with the pretense of blindness in order to observe how much other people tried to take advantage of his "disability". I don't need to tell you that it was really a bad bad idea to be caught in a scheme against that evil mastermind who was ruthless enough to attempt to kill off one of his sons in no less than like ten or 12 times in just a course of a few years. Mwahahahaha! I'm no evil billionaire, with insidious plots buried in each corporate department of a mega multi-faceted company. So I guess people fear me a lot less than Lionel. |
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Post by Philip II of Macedon on Jul 12, 2016 1:47:45 GMT
Man, I focus on racial based discrimination, never thought of the deaf. Thanks for bringing up this major issue with society Desophaeus. I have a question, can you read lips? I remember my English teacher told me that he had a deaf kid who could read lips, and, while I'm not assuming that all deaf people can read lips, can you and do you think its important to know? Good questions and I did answer, I wrote two lengthy posts on the first page to answer that. But I don't want to bore by repeating what I did post. I'll add, it does helps keep some not quite honest hearing people honest on occasion for me. You would be surprised how much crap people try to pull off behind my back figuratively, and they assume that I wouldn't know. I am Deaf, not necessarily stupid. Probably the closest analog would what I remembered seeing on Smallville. One time Lionel Luthor on Smallville (father of Lex Luthor) was blinded but eventually regained his sight. He kept up with the pretense of blindness in order to observe how much other people tried to take advantage of his "disability". I don't need to tell you that it was really a bad bad idea to be caught in a scheme against that evil mastermind who was ruthless enough to attempt to kill off one of his sons in no less than like ten or 12 times in just a course of a few years. Mwahahahaha! I'm no evil billionaire, with insidious plots buried in each corporate department of a mega multi-faceted company. So I guess people fear me a lot less than Lionel. Your title says Darth Vader, thats scarier than Luther tbh. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 12, 2016 1:54:14 GMT
Plus, nothing wrong with deafness anyway. I wouldn't know by web of you didn't tell That's a compliment to my English, earned in so many years of schooling from kindergarten to high school, thanks. I didn't wanted people to devalue my posts because of perceived lesser intelligence in Deaf persons even though I have a reading level roughly at the level of a master's degree and an IQ of 126. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 12, 2016 1:56:18 GMT
Plus, nothing wrong with deafness anyway. I wouldn't know by web of you didn't tell That's a compliment to my English, earned in so many years of schooling from kindergarten to high school, thanks. I didn't wanted people to devalue my posts because of perceived lesser intelligence in Deaf persons even though I have a reading level roughly at the level of a master's degree and an IQ of 126.[/quote] I honestly don't think of it. You're a gamer, I'm a gamer. That's what matters here |
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