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Post by Jean Lannes on Jun 25, 2016 22:40:09 GMT
The Poles under Napoleon were badass though. They were the first to enter Russia and the last to leave
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Jun 27, 2016 21:56:54 GMT
Why wouldn't Napoleon to use foreigners as his rearguard? They were never French, and so the horrendous casualties amongst some Polish units were of no cost to him, and their sacrifice not even repaid as Poland was never freed. I support Dombrowski as a Maréchal d'Empire (I am/was one too) but I do not support Napoleonsince he will not give support to a free Poland in the manner I think Poland deserves
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Jul 9, 2016 7:15:45 GMT
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 9, 2016 7:15:45 GMT
Why wouldn't Napoleon to use foreigners as his rearguard? They were never French, and so the horrendous casualties amongst some Polish units were of no cost to him, and their sacrifice not even repaid as Poland was never freed. I support Dombrowski as a Maréchal d'Empire (I am/was one too) but I do not support Napoleonsince he will not give support to a free Poland in the manner I think Poland deserves You do realize that without Napoléon Poland would far worse off right? First, their national anthems would be missing many parts and secondly the Polish wouldn't have been independent as the Duchy of Warsaw for years |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Jul 9, 2016 13:28:26 GMT
This is an excellent point, I just think that the lives lost to benefits gained is not in Poland's favor. Maybe if Lannes or Davout or Dombrowski had more commands of Polish units their numbers would have faired better, but Polish forces always seem to be fighting either under incompetent leaders, or against ridiculous odds. Because Poland.
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 9, 2016 14:02:16 GMT
The Poles under Napoleon were badass though. They were the first to enter Russia and the last to leave Not just that. .org/image/nacoz8gtt/]  [/url] 'nuff said. |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Jul 9, 2016 15:26:41 GMT
Napoleon did say, 800 Polish soldiers is equivalent to 8,000 of their foes.
Also shoutout to the French, who were much more keen on exact figures for stuff captured/destroyed over friendly losses
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Jul 9, 2016 15:28:36 GMT
Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 9, 2016 15:28:36 GMT
Napoleon did say, 800 Polish soldiers is equivalent to 8,000 of their foes. Also shoutout to the French, who were much more keen on exact figures for stuff captured over friendly losses Quite Literally that ratio here. I wonder if Napoleon said that before or after this battle |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 9, 2016 15:29:22 GMT
The Vistula Legion were among the best. Krakusi Regiment was awesome too.
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Jul 9, 2016 15:30:50 GMT
Napoleon did say, 800 Polish soldiers is equivalent to 8,000 of their foes. Also shoutout to the French, who were much more keen on exact figures for stuff captured over friendly losses Quite Literally that ratio here. I wonder if Napoleon said that before or after this battle That was probably after this battle |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Jul 9, 2016 15:31:36 GMT
^the British were doomed from the start when they brought the Spanish along^
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 9, 2016 17:39:09 GMT
The Poles under Napoleon were badass though. They were the first to enter Russia and the last to leave Not just that. 'nuff said. Also the Battle of Raszyn (idk how to spell it) where they beat the Austrians with 1/2 their army. The Polish and the Italians were probably Napoleon's best allies |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 9, 2016 18:21:50 GMT
Not just that. 'nuff said. Also the Battle of Raszyn (idk how to spell it) where they beat the Austrians with 1/2 their army. The Polish and the Italians were probably Napoleon's best allies I don't believe the Italians ever did as beautifully as the Polish |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Jul 9, 2016 18:27:12 GMT
The Italians never played as large a part either, they were not sent into a slaughter to protect the rear for the French as much as the Poles
(What I am trying to say is, to be fair to Italians, they never got their time to shine like the Polish)
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Jul 9, 2016 18:33:19 GMT
This is an excellent point, I just think that the lives lost to benefits gained is not in Poland's favor. Maybe if Lannes or Davout or Dombrowski had more commands of Polish units their numbers would have faired better, but Polish forces always seem to be fighting either under incompetent leaders, or against ridiculous odds. Because Poland. This sort of reminds me of how in WWI, the Germans, Austrians and Russians tried to convince the Poles to fight for them instead of the enemy, but what ended up happening was just that Polish Brigades of the Austro-German Armies would be killing fellow Polish Brigades of the Russian Army. |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Jul 9, 2016 18:37:46 GMT
Poland cannot into empire because Polish military is too agreeable, passively oriented, and easily persuaded
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