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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 9, 2016 6:05:09 GMT
Gustav IV was a terrible king anyway, his lack of support where it was needed lost the war. The guy who led the Russians was Buxhoeveden. The guy who was drunk at Austerlitz. How hard is it to beat him? Buxhoeveden also got beaten up badly in Austerlitz, right? He was outflanked by Soult when he attacked you, so yes. This discussion should be moved. General William T. Sherman |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 9, 2016 6:23:23 GMT
Buxhoeveden also got beaten up badly in Austerlitz, right? He was outflanked by Soult when he attacked you, so yes. This discussion should be moved. Yup. Could use a moderator making it into a thread |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 9, 2016 7:09:48 GMT
Gustav IV was a terrible king anyway, his lack of support where it was needed lost the war. The guy who led the Russians was Buxhoeveden. The guy who was drunk at Austerlitz. How hard is it to beat him? Sweden was going down anyway. Saddening to see such a formerly glorious empire fall. Also beating Buxhoeveden is ez |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 9, 2016 7:19:58 GMT
Jean Lannes, we all know the saddest former empire is Poland. On Swedish history, Gustav was deposed, changed with Charles XII. When Charles died, our old mate (and Jean-Luc Picard's nemesis) Bernadotte became king. He was an okay to great king, conquering Norway and as Crown Prince fought Napoleon. I don't like him that much, but I guess pardoning Döbeln was something nice.
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Jul 9, 2016 12:18:04 GMT
Excuse me for asking, but where may you like it? Do you want this discussion moved or the whole thread moved somewhere?
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 9, 2016 12:24:45 GMT
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Jul 9, 2016 12:39:03 GMT
Deed has been done.
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Jul 9, 2016 17:15:45 GMT
döbeln's country (Sweden) lost Finland after the war Mannerheim's country (Finland) lost a little bit of land to the Soviets after the war. Mannerheim's "country" was Sweden not Finland. He spoke little Finnish and his native language had been Swedish. It's like calling Carlo Bonaparte (Napoleon's father) French. Also Döbeln did a fantastic job at holding off the Russians, in fact he was the only one who blocked the Russians from entering Stockholm Actually, incorrect. He was born to a Swedish speaking family, but he was born in the Grand Duchy of Finland (a client state of the Russian Empire), meaning that he is Finnish despite not knowing the Finnish language all that well. Plus, even if he wasn't, what does it matter? He saved Finland and has been voted the Greatest Finn of all time according to a Finnish survey. Alexander Hamilton is considered to be a great American despite being born in the British West Indies. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 9, 2016 17:20:40 GMT
Mannerheim's "country" was Sweden not Finland. He spoke little Finnish and his native language had been Swedish. It's like calling Carlo Bonaparte (Napoleon's father) French. Also Döbeln did a fantastic job at holding off the Russians, in fact he was the only one who blocked the Russians from entering Stockholm Actually, incorrect. He was born to a Swedish speaking family, but he was born in the Grand Duchy of Finland (a client state of the Russian Empire), meaning that he is Finnish despite not knowing the Finnish language all that well. Plus, even if he wasn't, what does it matter? He saved Finland and has been voted the Greatest Finn of all time according to a Finnish survey. Alexander Hamilton is considered to be a great American despite being born in the British West Indies. Him being of Swedish descent makes it more likely that he's Döbeln reincarnate |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Jul 9, 2016 17:23:45 GMT
Actually, incorrect. He was born to a Swedish speaking family, but he was born in the Grand Duchy of Finland (a client state of the Russian Empire), meaning that he is Finnish despite not knowing the Finnish language all that well. Plus, even if he wasn't, what does it matter? He saved Finland and has been voted the Greatest Finn of all time according to a Finnish survey. Alexander Hamilton is considered to be a great American despite being born in the British West Indies. Him being of Swedish descent makes it more likely that he's Döbeln reincarnate  This is quickly becoming a conspiracy. |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 9, 2016 17:36:45 GMT
Jean Lannes, we all know the saddest former empire is Poland. On Swedish history, Gustav was deposed, changed with Charles XII. When Charles died, our old mate (and Jean-Luc Picard's nemesis) Bernadotte became king. He was an okay to great king, conquering Norway and as Crown Prince fought Napoleon. I don't like him that much, but I guess pardoning Döbeln was something nice. No. Gustav IV. was deposed but Charles XII. died in 1718 in Norway in the Great Northern War. After the Coup d'etat in 1809 Sweden was ruled first by Charles XII. and then in 1818 (I think) Charles XIV. (aka Bernadotte) became king. Also Döbeln was almost executed for doing the right thing and reinforcing his allies. First his death penalty was changed to prison and then, after Bernadotte read a letter of Döbeln saying he only wants to fight in any nation of the coalition, he was completely liberated, |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 9, 2016 18:04:12 GMT
Jean Lannes, we all know the saddest former empire is Poland. On Swedish history, Gustav was deposed, changed with Charles XII. When Charles died, our old mate (and Jean-Luc Picard's nemesis) Bernadotte became king. He was an okay to great king, conquering Norway and as Crown Prince fought Napoleon. I don't like him that much, but I guess pardoning Döbeln was something nice. No. Gustav IV. was deposed but Charles XII. died in 1718 in Norway in the Great Northern War. After the Coup d'etat in 1809 Sweden was ruled first by Charles XII. and then in 1818 (I think) Charles XIV. (aka Bernadotte) became king. Also Döbeln was almost executed for doing the right thing and reinforcing his allies. First his death penalty was changed to prison and then, after Bernadotte read a letter of Döbeln saying he only wants to fight in any nation of the coalition, he was completely liberated, And that might be the only time Bernadotte got it right |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 9, 2016 21:28:09 GMT
No. Gustav IV. was deposed but Charles XII. died in 1718 in Norway in the Great Northern War. After the Coup d'etat in 1809 Sweden was ruled first by Charles XII. and then in 1818 (I think) Charles XIV. (aka Bernadotte) became king. Also Döbeln was almost executed for doing the right thing and reinforcing his allies. First his death penalty was changed to prison and then, after Bernadotte read a letter of Döbeln saying he only wants to fight in any nation of the coalition, he was completely liberated, And that might be the only time Bernadotte got it right Let's be honest, anybody would've done the same thing. I wouldn't even have imprisoned Döbeln |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 9, 2016 21:48:20 GMT
And that might be the only time Bernadotte got it right Let's be honest, anybody would've done the same thing. I wouldn't even have imprisoned Döbeln Tells you something about Bernadotte, if that's all he ever got right |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 9, 2016 22:03:11 GMT
Let's be honest, anybody would've done the same thing. I wouldn't even have imprisoned Döbeln Tells you something about Bernadotte, if that's all he ever got right He did do good in a few campaigns such as the Walcheren Expedition or the Vendée Revolt |
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