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Post by The Battener on Jul 27, 2016 11:41:35 GMT
So I'm starting this thread about formal education system because I'm curious about the education in other countries so please contribute as much as you can!
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Jul 27, 2016 12:46:41 GMT
Well, in America (At least in NYS, idk about other regions), let me explain:
Elementary School: Grades 1-5 Cant choose classes Typically had Social Studies (History, modern issues and Geography), Gym, Science, English, Math, Recess, Computer, Library time, and some other random period where called Block i think. Teachers: Meh, dont really remember any of them except for my third grade teacher who was incredibly rude.
Middle School: For me, it was Grades 6-8 but for some it is 7-9 Cant choose classes Had Social Studies, Gym, Science, English, Math, Study Hall, Foreign Language (Spanish or French), and then Music, Art, Health, Computer, and tech were done quarterly. Teachers: For the main subjects (English, Math, History and Science) and Gym, typically very good, my favorite teacher is actually my History teacher from 8th grade. For the other classes tho, teachers were generally meh.
High School: Grades 9-12 Can Choose Classes (A freedom I heavily enjoy) You need to take a History, Science, English and Math class for each year, plus half a year of Health, Music/Art, and computer by the end of High School. Teachers: Okay, I really liked my English and Latin teachers but other than that the teachers were okay.
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Jul 27, 2016 13:07:07 GMT
Pakistan (there are three systems in place in Pakistan, the matriculation, the Aga Khan system and the Cambridge System. Here I will tell about my system that I had, which is matric.)
School. (Literally no classification! The whole education you get in school is 80% in the same building for 13 years, no elementary, no middle , no high, its the SAME GODDAMNED THING). no choice of subjects (the school decides (which is 80% Shoot and useless)). The only choice you ever get is in 9 when you can either take biology or computer (I took computer). No choice in 10 as well. Which is stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 13:57:38 GMT
Well, in America (At least in NYS, idk about other regions), let me explain: Elementary School: Grades 1-5 Cant choose classes Typically had Social Studies (History, modern issues and Geography), Gym, Science, English, Math, Recess, Computer, Library time, and some other random period where called Block i think. Teachers: Meh, dont really remember any of them except for my third grade teacher who was incredibly rude. Middle School: For me, it was Grades 6-8 but for some it is 7-9 Cant choose classes Had Social Studies, Gym, Science, English, Math, Study Hall, Foreign Language (Spanish or French), and then Music, Art, Health, Computer, and tech were done quarterly. Teachers: For the main subjects (English, Math, History and Science) and Gym, typically very good, my favorite teacher is actually my History teacher from 8th grade. For the other classes tho, teachers were generally meh. High School: Grades 9-12 Can Choose Classes (A freedom I heavily enjoy) You need to take a History, Science, English and Math class for each year, plus half a year of Health, Music/Art, and computer by the end of High School. Teachers: Okay, I really liked my English and Latin teachers but other than that the teachers were okay. In Washington this is basically the same.
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Post by NetherFreek on Jul 27, 2016 15:16:53 GMT
Netherlands
At the age of 4 (3 in future) you enter school (no toddler room). The basisschool.
It last 8 years and you just do subjects, no choosing and all at the same level.
At the age of 12 you enter the onderbouw. At this age people see how smart you are and you are going to your own level, either
Praktijkonderwijs Lwo Basis Kader Gemengd theoretisch Havo Atheneum Gymnasium
Meaning gymnasium the highest and pro the lowest.
The onderbouw last 3 years and you still dont choose the subjects. Its for getting used to your level
Then comes the bovenbouw (15 years old). This last 1 year for praktijk till theoretisch (all called mavo), 2 years for havo and 3 years for ath and gym (called vwo). You have to choose some subjects, but still not everything
Once you finish the bovenbouw you study further. At your own level
Mavo becomes mbo Havo becomes hbo Vwo becomes university
At that level the duration depends which study you choose. You can basicelly choose everything in here. (But you need to have chosen the subjects in the bovenbouw, like if you dropped economy there you cant study economics)
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Post by NetherFreek on Jul 27, 2016 15:19:25 GMT
"and then Music, Art, Health, Computer, and tech were done quarterly."
When can you drop those extremely useful subjects?
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Post by The Battener on Jul 27, 2016 15:44:27 GMT
So I'm going to start by explaining the education system in Indonesia! So the state-run and private schools in Indonesia that follows the Indonesian curriculum divides formal/mandatory school into 3 parts :
1. Primary school(SD/Sekolah Dasar, literally means Basic School)
2. Middle school(SMP/Sekolah Menengah Pertama, literally means First Middle School)
3. High school(SMA/Sekolah Menengah Atas, literally means Upper Middle School)
Note: College or University isn't mandatory but it is important to get better paying jobs
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So to start from government or state run schools :
To enter Primary school, the children that enrolls in the Primary school must, as of now, be seven years old for state-run schools though the Private-run schools usually allow six years old kids to enroll. Years ago, five years old are still accepted to enroll in private run schools for example: me, but they changed it at around 2005-2010. --- The Primary school or SD lasts for 6 years and is divided into 6 grades, each grade divided further into 2 semesters. The students get a report card every semester that shows their progress and scores. To graduate to Middle School, the students need to take a National Examination(UN) that has the three most important(?) subjects, Math, Indonesian and Science.
Then, they enter Middle school or SMP through their National Examination score. They may enter the best(?) schools if they have high scores in the National Examination. --- The Middle school or SMP is divided into 3 grades and each grade into 2 semesters with a report card given every semester, just like Primary school but the subjects taught are more difficult. Then they will take another National Examination to graduate, but this time the subjects that are going to be examined are Math, Indonesian, Science and English.
Note: Even though English is indicated as quite important, most Indonesians are not that good(pretty bad) at English.
Then they enter High school or SMA with their National Examination scores being the deciding factor whether they will get good schools or not. --- In High school, students are divided into three groups depending on their Middle school National Examination score: the Science(IPA) learners, Social(IPS) learners and Language(Bahasa) learners.
The Science learners mainly study Physics, Chemistry, Biology and Advanced Maths. The Social learners mainly study Geography, History, Economics and Social Studies. The Language learners mainly study English, Indonesian and other languages.
To graduate High school, the students have to pass one last National Examination, depending on their groups. The Science learners have Maths, Indonesian, English, Biology, Physics and Chemistry while the Social learners have Maths, Indonesian, English, Geography, History, Economics and Social Studies. This time, the National Examination isn't used to get into University though. --- To get into a university in Indonesia, the students have three ways: Report cards(SNMPTN), National Selection(SBMPTN) and University Examination
In SNMPTN, the university accepts students through their report card scores, in National Selection, the government tests the students again and puts them into their university of choice if their scores pass and in the University Examination, the universities test the students themselves.
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About private schools: some private schools have the same curriculum with the government, but usually adds more English and religion for their students and some teach them in English. Other private schools may have other nations' curriculum instead.
Private schools are usually oriented on religion. There are Islamic schools, Catholic schools and Protestant schools. Buddhist, Hindu and Confucianist schools are rare.
Some people chose to enroll their children in private schools in order for them to be more religious or better at English because the State run ones are not that good at teaching English and some state-run schools doesn't even have Christian teachers while most doesn't have Hindu or Buddhist or Confucian teachers.
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College or University in Indonesia are classified into a few categories: University, Institutions and "High-School". Most Universities and Institutions are State-run and the "High-School"s are all State-run but there are also Private-run Universities.
The best universities and Institutions in Indonesia like UI(University of Indonesia), ITB(Bandung Institute of Technology) and othersare state-run and are relatively cheap while the Private run universities are pretty expensive.
All "High-School"s are free with the condition being that the students that enroll there will be civil servants, working in the central government's departments and provinces.
University and Institutions usually lasts for 4-5 years for Bachelors, 1-3 for Magistrates and above 2 years for Doctors depending on the subject the students choose. Medical school, for example, lasts longer than Economics. The "High-School"s themselves may last from 1-4 years depending on the education level taken.
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Regarding pre-schools, they are all Private-run and there are no state-run ones if I'm not mistaken. The preschools are divided into PlayGroups(KB) and Kindergarten(TK/Taman Kanak-kanak, literally means Kids' Park(?)).
Playgroup lasts for one year while Kindergarten lasts for two years with the age range of 3-4 for Playgroups and 4-7 for Kindergarten.
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That's all I can explain so far, thanks for reading.
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Post by The Battener on Jul 27, 2016 15:48:52 GMT
By the way, the Indonesian education system is influenced by the Japanese(in WW2) and Netherlands(from Pre-WW1 until Interbellum) system though in resembles the former more.
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Post by The Battener on Jul 27, 2016 15:51:56 GMT
Another by the way, do any of your education systems have mandatory religious education? I'm not going to criticise or advocate religion here, but I think the state-run schools shouldn't make mandatory...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 15:55:59 GMT
Another by the way, do any of your education systems have mandatory religious education? I'm not going to criticise or advocate religion here, but I think the state-run schools shouldn't make mandatory... Yes. We're educated in the basics of every religion to understand certain cultures.
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Jul 27, 2016 15:56:14 GMT
"and then Music, Art, Health, Computer, and tech were done quarterly." When can you drop those extremely useful subjects? Im not sure if I explained the schedule well enough, let me explain it more. So we had some classes everyday, others every other day, some every semester and some every quarter. Classes we had everyday: History Science Foreign Language English Mathematics Classes we had every other day: Gym Study Hall or a special class for kids who excel in writing Tech (8th grade) A Music Class if you take one (I didn't) Classes we had every semester: Tech in 8th grade (Actually we had it every other day for the whole year, but we swapped teachers after a semester) Classes we had quarterly: Music (6th Grade) Tech (6th and 7th Grade) Art Computer Health (7th and 8th Grade) In High School, you need to take at least one class of Music/Art, Computer, and Health. As someone who is not that interested in the Arts, I'm happy about it. Computer is really important though so ill definitely take more classes of that and then Health is really important for High Schoolers. Im planning to focus more on History/English courses though, so these classes aren't as high a priority for me as English/History classes.
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Jul 27, 2016 15:58:39 GMT
Another by the way, do any of your education systems have mandatory religious education? I'm not going to criticise or advocate religion here, but I think the state-run schools shouldn't make mandatory... Public Schools here dont do that, no, but we are learning about the basics of religions (How Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, etc. etc. were founded) My sisters went to Private School and they did have mandatory religious education though (Which is fine, thats not run by the state)
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Jul 27, 2016 16:08:19 GMT
Another by the way, do any of your education systems have mandatory religious education? I'm not going to criticise or advocate religion here, but I think the state-run schools shouldn't make mandatory... we do, called Islamic studies. Mandatory for Muslims but if you're non Muslim can swap it with ethics.
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