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Ivan Kolev Pioneer Posts: 5,203	Random Area Episode IV: A New Area Jul 29, 2016 22:25:08 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Ivan Kolev on Jul 29, 2016 22:25:08 GMT This is sort of random but does anyone know why Singapore didn't become part of Malaysia following their independence from Great Britain?
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Jul 29, 2016 22:25:08 GMT Ivan Kolev said:

This is sort of random but does anyone know why Singapore didn't become part of Malaysia following their independence from Great Britain?

Wiki:

In 1819, Sir Stamford Raffles founded colonial Singapore as a trading post of the East India Company; after the company collapsed, the islands were ceded to Britain and became part of its Straits Settlements in 1826. During World War II, Singapore was occupied by Japan. It gained independence from Britain in 1963, by uniting with other former British territories to form Malaysia, but was expelled two years later over ideological differences. After early years of turbulence, and despite lacking natural resources and a hinterland, the nation developed rapidly as an Asian Tiger economy, based on external trade and its human capital.

And particular section about it:

Expulsion

On 7 August 1965, Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman, seeing no alternative to avoid further bloodshed, advised the Parliament of Malaysia that it should vote to expel Singapore from Malaysia.[1] Despite last-ditch attempts by PAP leaders, including Lee Kuan Yew, to keep Singapore as a state in the union, the Parliament on 9 August 1965 voted 126–0 in favor of the expulsion of Singapore, with Members of Parliament from Singapore not present. On that day, a tearful Lee announced that Singapore was a sovereign, independent nation and assumed the role of Prime Minister of the new nation. His speech included this quote: "I mean for me, it would be a moment of anguish because all my life….you see the whole of my adult life…. I have believed in Malaysia, merger and the unity of the two territories. You know it's a people connected by geography, economics, and ties of kinship... ."[5]

Under constitutional amendments passed in December that year, the new state became the Republic of Singapore, with the Yang di-Pertuan Negara becoming President, and the Legislative Assembly becoming the Parliament of Singapore. These changes were made retroactive to the date of Singapore's separation from Malaysia. The Malaya and British Borneo dollar remained legal tender until the introduction of the Singapore dollar in 1967. Before the currency split, there were discussions about a common currency between the Malaysian and Singaporean Governments.[6]

I'm assuming part of it is religion, Malaysia has Islam as its state religion while Singapore does not. Plus not to mention that Malaysia has been hovering near Socalism/Communism while Singapore has been radically full free-trade and their economy boomed from there in a massive divergence from the slowly growing Malaysia.

Economy is likely the main reason.

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Jul 29, 2016 23:03:01 GMT Desophaeus said:

Jul 29, 2016 22:25:08 GMT Ivan Kolev said:

This is sort of random but does anyone know why Singapore didn't become part of Malaysia following their independence from Great Britain?

Wiki:

In 1819, Sir Stamford Raffles founded colonial Singapore as a trading post of the East India Company; after the company collapsed, the islands were ceded to Britain and became part of its Straits Settlements in 1826. During World War II, Singapore was occupied by Japan. It gained independence from Britain in 1963, by uniting with other former British territories to form Malaysia, but was expelled two years later over ideological differences. After early years of turbulence, and despite lacking natural resources and a hinterland, the nation developed rapidly as an Asian Tiger economy, based on external trade and its human capital.

And particular section about it:

Expulsion

On 7 August 1965, Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman, seeing no alternative to avoid further bloodshed, advised the Parliament of Malaysia that it should vote to expel Singapore from Malaysia.[1] Despite last-ditch attempts by PAP leaders, including Lee Kuan Yew, to keep Singapore as a state in the union, the Parliament on 9 August 1965 voted 126–0 in favor of the expulsion of Singapore, with Members of Parliament from Singapore not present. On that day, a tearful Lee announced that Singapore was a sovereign, independent nation and assumed the role of Prime Minister of the new nation. His speech included this quote: "I mean for me, it would be a moment of anguish because all my life….you see the whole of my adult life…. I have believed in Malaysia, merger and the unity of the two territories. You know it's a people connected by geography, economics, and ties of kinship... ."[5]

Under constitutional amendments passed in December that year, the new state became the Republic of Singapore, with the Yang di-Pertuan Negara becoming President, and the Legislative Assembly becoming the Parliament of Singapore. These changes were made retroactive to the date of Singapore's separation from Malaysia. The Malaya and British Borneo dollar remained legal tender until the introduction of the Singapore dollar in 1967. Before the currency split, there were discussions about a common currency between the Malaysian and Singaporean Governments.[6]

I'm assuming part of it is religion, Malaysia has Islam as its state religion while Singapore does not. Plus not to mention that Malaysia has been hovering near Socalism/Communism while Singapore has been radically full free-trade and their economy boomed from there in a massive divergence from the slowly growing Malaysia.

Economy is likely the main reason.

Thanks, this always sort of perplexed me.

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Jul 29, 2016 23:15:50 GMT Ivan Kolev said:

Jul 29, 2016 23:03:01 GMT Desophaeus said:

Wiki:And particular section about it:I'm assuming part of it is religion, Malaysia has Islam as its state religion while Singapore does not. Plus not to mention that Malaysia has been hovering near Socalism/Communism while Singapore has been radically full free-trade and their economy boomed from there in a massive divergence from the slowly growing Malaysia.

Economy is likely the main reason.

Thanks, this always sort of perplexed me.

Let a Singaporean handle this. It's NOT RELIGION, it's RACE. Malaysia was byas to Malays but Sinapore wanted equality. After a bunch of political stuff riots happened. To stop the riots Singapore left Malaysia and Lee Kuan Yew cries as he announces this.

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Jul 29, 2016 23:03:01 GMT Desophaeus said:

Jul 29, 2016 22:25:08 GMT Ivan Kolev said:

This is sort of random but does anyone know why Singapore didn't become part of Malaysia following their independence from Great Britain?

Wiki:

In 1819, Sir Stamford Raffles founded colonial Singapore as a trading post of the East India Company; after the company collapsed, the islands were ceded to Britain and became part of its Straits Settlements in 1826. During World War II, Singapore was occupied by Japan. It gained independence from Britain in 1963, by uniting with other former British territories to form Malaysia, but was expelled two years later over ideological differences. After early years of turbulence, and despite lacking natural resources and a hinterland, the nation developed rapidly as an Asian Tiger economy, based on external trade and its human capital.

And particular section about it:

Expulsion

On 7 August 1965, Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman, seeing no alternative to avoid further bloodshed, advised the Parliament of Malaysia that it should vote to expel Singapore from Malaysia.[1] Despite last-ditch attempts by PAP leaders, including Lee Kuan Yew, to keep Singapore as a state in the union, the Parliament on 9 August 1965 voted 126–0 in favor of the expulsion of Singapore, with Members of Parliament from Singapore not present. On that day, a tearful Lee announced that Singapore was a sovereign, independent nation and assumed the role of Prime Minister of the new nation. His speech included this quote: "I mean for me, it would be a moment of anguish because all my life….you see the whole of my adult life…. I have believed in Malaysia, merger and the unity of the two territories. You know it's a people connected by geography, economics, and ties of kinship... ."[5]

Under constitutional amendments passed in December that year, the new state became the Republic of Singapore, with the Yang di-Pertuan Negara becoming President, and the Legislative Assembly becoming the Parliament of Singapore. These changes were made retroactive to the date of Singapore's separation from Malaysia. The Malaya and British Borneo dollar remained legal tender until the introduction of the Singapore dollar in 1967. Before the currency split, there were discussions about a common currency between the Malaysian and Singaporean Governments.[6]

I'm assuming part of it is religion, Malaysia has Islam as its state religion while Singapore does not. Plus not to mention that Malaysia has been hovering near Socalism/Communism while Singapore has been radically full free-trade and their economy boomed from there in a massive divergence from the slowly growing Malaysia.

Economy is likely the main reason.

I didn't know Malaysia was hovering near socialism and communism... I have always thought that Indonesia started a medium scale confrontation against Malaysia because the Indonesian President at the time, Soekarno, thought of Malaysia as a British capitalist ally.

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Jul 30, 2016 1:45:56 GMT The Battener said:

Jul 29, 2016 23:03:01 GMT Desophaeus said:

Wiki:And particular section about it:I'm assuming part of it is religion, Malaysia has Islam as its state religion while Singapore does not. Plus not to mention that Malaysia has been hovering near Socalism/Communism while Singapore has been radically full free-trade and their economy boomed from there in a massive divergence from the slowly growing Malaysia.

Economy is likely the main reason.

I didn't know Malaysia was hovering near socialism and communism... I have always thought that Indonesia started a medium scale confrontation against Malaysia because the Indonesian President at the time, Soekarno, thought of Malaysia as a British capitalist ally.

Do you mean the Indonesian Confrontation (or whatever you want to call it)?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia%E2%80%93Malaysia_confrontation#Political_situation

Or the Malayan Emergency?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

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Post by Ivan Kolev on Jul 30, 2016 2:53:32 GMT

Jul 30, 2016 2:33:43 GMT Frederick the Great said:

Jul 30, 2016 1:45:56 GMT The Battener said:

I didn't know Malaysia was hovering near socialism and communism... I have always thought that Indonesia started a medium scale confrontation against Malaysia because the Indonesian President at the time, Soekarno, thought of Malaysia as a British capitalist ally.

Do you mean the Indonesian Confrontation (or whatever you want to call it)?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia%E2%80%93Malaysia_confrontation#Political_situation

Or the Malayan Emergency?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

Huh, according to this Malaysia was far more pro-capitalist and Indonesia more pro-communist.

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Jul 30, 2016 1:45:56 GMT The Battener said:

Jul 29, 2016 23:03:01 GMT Desophaeus said:

Wiki:And particular section about it:I'm assuming part of it is religion, Malaysia has Islam as its state religion while Singapore does not. Plus not to mention that Malaysia has been hovering near Socalism/Communism while Singapore has been radically full free-trade and their economy boomed from there in a massive divergence from the slowly growing Malaysia.

Economy is likely the main reason.

I didn't know Malaysia was hovering near socialism and communism... I have always thought that Indonesia started a medium scale confrontation against Malaysia because the Indonesian President at the time, Soekarno, thought of Malaysia as a British capitalist ally.

Well that's still fits on a spectrum of governance vs economy, just a bit different path of measurement. It's like on a graph you're talking about locations along the horizontal axis while I'm talking about locations along the vertical axis.

The British is "pro-captialist", but their government is heavily involved in their own economy, basically Socalism but not quite Communism, right? And certainly not in the poltical alliance of communists, aka the WTO.

Malaysia is operating within Socalism, definitely not capitalism even though it is aligned with the NATO nations such as UK. Same idea.

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Jul 29, 2016 23:15:50 GMT Ivan Kolev said:

Thanks, this always sort of perplexed me.

Let a Singaporean handle this. It's NOT RELIGION, it's RACE. Malaysia was byas to Malays but Sinapore wanted equality. After a bunch of political stuff riots happened. To stop the riots Singapore left Malaysia and Lee Kuan Yew cries as he announces this.

Well according to the basic information (not quite extensive nor reliable), it says that Singapore's PAP and Lee wanted to stay with Malaysia but they kicked Singapore out, voting 126-0 while all of the members from Singapore wasn't even in the room.

"the Parliament on 9 August 1965 voted 126–0 in favor of the expulsion of Singapore, with Members of Parliament from Singapore not present."

Of course, Wikipedia isn't necessarily represent the actual truth of what happened in 1965 for real. It isn't a fully reliable source of information but simply a collection that can serve as a starting point to get somewhere from a blank slate in beginning.

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Jul 28, 2016 7:37:08 GMT Frederick the Great said:

Nearly 10 pages already?

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Jul 30, 2016 2:33:43 GMT Frederick the Great said:

Jul 30, 2016 1:45:56 GMT The Battener said:

I didn't know Malaysia was hovering near socialism and communism... I have always thought that Indonesia started a medium scale confrontation against Malaysia because the Indonesian President at the time, Soekarno, thought of Malaysia as a British capitalist ally.

Do you mean the Indonesian Confrontation (or whatever you want to call it)?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia%E2%80%93Malaysia_confrontation#Political_situation

Or the Malayan Emergency?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

I mean the first one, since Indonesia's involvement in the Malayan Emergency is minimal

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Jul 30, 2016 3:09:56 GMT Von Bismarck jr said:

Jul 28, 2016 7:37:08 GMT Frederick the Great said:

Nearly 10 pages already?

Who cares about ten pages, heck we're at 14 now!

I just noticed your profile pic is of ERBs Frederick.
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Well spotted. I love ERB particularly the latest one and I didn't want a boring old portrait of Frederick so I used him from ERB.

Jul 30, 2016 2:53:32 GMT Ivan Kolev said:

Jul 30, 2016 2:33:43 GMT Frederick the Great said:

Do you mean the Indonesian Confrontation (or whatever you want to call it)?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia%E2%80%93Malaysia_confrontation#Political_situation

Or the Malayan Emergency?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

Huh, according to this Malaysia was far more pro-capitalist and Indonesia more pro-communist.

Yeah earn that's my understanding. I doubt Australia and Britain would have come to thier aid if they were communist. My grandfather served in the RAN during both the Indonesian Confrontation and the Malyan Emergency.

Another good source about it: www.awm.gov.au/atwar/indonesian-confrontation/

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