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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Dec 6, 2016 21:01:11 GMT
3 air stars = 16/12 additional damage 5 air stars = 28/21 additional damage thats an avarage difference of 10,5. For air bombing, I think this is very important, since this makes it more cost-eficiently, which is very important for air. Göring is also a marshall with lvl3 supply. which makes him very durable, he just won't die easily. both things together cost you an additional 4410 medals. also, Göring deals an avarage damage of (16+(12+7)/2=17,5 damage on infantry. not much, but itll do. in general, he deals a lot of damage on air. he has a great survivability and is reasonable cheap. For me a Must-Have General Sure, initially Goring is better than adding 3 air stars to EC. But your EC will likely have lv3 supply (if he don't you will miss it very much), and also marshal he will be sooner or later. And also you save slot for gen, which can be used at once. Btw, that's very useful when your main attacker is your bomber too: you capture city and you can proceed with bombing, no need to send two gens for that. |
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Post by border on Dec 7, 2016 9:19:17 GMT
This just makes it harder to make a decision hehe. Really appreciate all the input. My biggest problem is that I have cleared almost all "Human" missions and conquers. I am stuck at Allien and have not won one Allien mission or conquest. I am basically just collecting resources from wonders and playing autoplay on Conquer. This makes it boring. Do you recognize this or did everything just flow for you?
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Dec 7, 2016 14:31:21 GMT
This just makes it harder to make a decision hehe. Really appreciate all the input. My biggest problem is that I have cleared almost all "Human" missions and conquers. I am stuck at Allien and have not won one Allien mission or conquest. I am basically just collecting resources from wonders and playing autoplay on Conquer. This makes it boring. Do you recognize this or did everything just flow for you? Well, I considered it. I still advocate Konev or Bai |
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Dec 7, 2016 14:43:06 GMT
This just makes it harder to make a decision hehe. Really appreciate all the input. My biggest problem is that I have cleared almost all "Human" missions and conquers. I am stuck at Allien and have not won one Allien mission or conquest. I am basically just collecting resources from wonders and playing autoplay on Conquer. This makes it boring. Do you recognize this or did everything just flow for you? Well, I considered it. I still advocate Konev or Bai I think he already have them. I'd say either EC or Göring. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Dec 7, 2016 14:50:32 GMT
Well, I considered it. I still advocate Konev or Bai I think he already have them. I'd say either EC or Göring. He only has one, and selling Bado means he needs one back temporarily |
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Post by border on Dec 7, 2016 14:58:38 GMT
Correct. I have Konev and Govorov and sold Bado. So, my options are: 1. Get a new Art Gen. 2 Get a new Nay/air Gen. 3 Start building EC.
I have around 2k Medals. That is my dilemma.
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Dec 7, 2016 15:05:10 GMT
Correct. I have Konev and Govorov and sold Bado. So, my options are: 1. Get a new Art Gen. 2 Get a new Nay/air Gen. 3 Start building EC. I have around 2k Medals. That is my dilemma. Since you urgently need a gen to clear Aliens Campaign, get Bai C.X. or Goring now. My colleague Max Otto von Stierlitz here overlooks that fact and engages in long-term thinking without pondering the immediate situation |
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Post by NetherFreek on Dec 7, 2016 15:05:32 GMT
Sure, initially Goring is better than adding 3 air stars to EC. But your EC will likely have lv3 supply (if he don't you will miss it very much), and also marshal he will be sooner or later. And also you save slot for gen, which can be used at once. Btw, that's very useful when your main attacker is your bomber too: you capture city and you can proceed with bombing, no need to send two gens for that. I'm pretty sure your EC will likely have that in the end. But when? oh, when you've invested 10000 medals in him. It takes away the whole advantage of a general being cheap. who cares about guderian? if you've invested 15k medals in your EC he will be better, plus you save a slot!!! an air general is a must have from the beginning till the end, actually i advice göring as your second general after badoglio. But yes, when you spend 10k medals in your ec, hell be better. but the problem is, you don't have that much medals when you need him. Göring is a cheap, medal-wise air bomber with amazing survivability plus a decent infantry general. He makes air bombing efficient, he generates income and make sure you don't spend to much income in bombing. I advice him before starting with your EC. |
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Post by border on Dec 7, 2016 16:35:22 GMT
Indeed. It is urgent since I can not do I thing. I will go for a Nay/air general. I was leaning towards saving up for Yamamto since I only need 800 more medals. I could buy Göring but I think it is better to go for Yamamtao?
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Dec 7, 2016 17:27:59 GMT
This just makes it harder to make a decision hehe. Really appreciate all the input. My biggest problem is that I have cleared almost all "Human" missions and conquers. I am stuck at Allien and have not won one Allien mission or conquest. I am basically just collecting resources from wonders and playing autoplay on Conquer. This makes it boring. Do you recognize this or did everything just flow for you? Not really. When I just reached aliens, as I remember I had something like Bado, Govo, Vesilevsky, Guderian, 1 EC with 3 tank stars, 120 hp and 3 supply, 3 plain and 3 explosives, other EC with something like that, but a bit worse and with art stars instead of tank, and I think one of them had 3 air stars. (such ECs cost about 3000-3500 medals). I think I have cleared 1st and 2nd aliens campaign, than got back to get 3 golden stars in all ww2 and cwe campaigns, after that I was able to proceed further. Most valuable achievement was upgrade EC with explosives, plain, supply, barrage and street - such EC is king when fighting aliens. But keep in mind I have high farming/playing ratio (much farming, few playing), just don't have much time for playing and can farm always. |
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Dec 7, 2016 17:53:10 GMT
"your EC will likely have lvl3 supply (...) and also marshall will be sooner or later"I'm pretty sure your EC will likely have that in the end. But when? oh, when you've invested 10000 medals in him. It takes away the whole advantage of a general being cheap. who cares about guderian? if you've invested 15k medals in your EC he will be better, plus you save a slot!!! an air general is a must have from the beginning till the end, actually i advice göring as your second general after badoglio. But yes, when you spend 10k medals in your ec, hell be better. but the problem is, you don't have that much medals when you need him. Göring is a cheap, medal-wise air bomber with amazing survivability plus a decent infantry general. He makes air bombing efficient, he generates income and make sure you don't spend to much income in bombing. I advice him before starting with your EC. Not really so expensive. Let's have a look at ECs I have now and which are real monsters. I am playing golden level aliens campaign and already got 3 golden stars everywhere instead of level 5 (I was some 3-4 turns late to get 3 stars), level 8 (I was 1 turn late) and level 9 (I haven't played it yet). My ECs are marshals, but some 200 hp have to be enough for some levels to get 3 stars and for other levels to get 2 or at leas 1 star. My ion canon is at level 1. 200 hp 1920 3 art 350 3 movement 340 3 explosives 560 3 plain 690 3 street 500 3 barrage 730 3 supply 1040 Total: 6130 meadls. Even making him marshal costs 1450 additional medals. Assuming this, I think for bronze level something like this have to be enough: 120 hp 720 3 art 350 2 explosives 240 2 plain 290 2 street 210 2 barrage 310 2 supply 480 Total: 2600 medals Btw, I haven't ever had air gen and haven't missed it (only ECs with air stars, initially only with 3 air stars). And also if we speak about aliens conquests, 99% of bombarding is done with nukes. and in campaigns instead of level 1 everywhere you use nukes, which are not affected by gen. Somewhere a bit of strategical bombers, but not so much to waste 2 k medals for that. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Dec 7, 2016 22:14:50 GMT
border, you can try to save for Yamamoto (great if you can) but you may have to settle for Goring
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Dec 8, 2016 2:29:03 GMT
"your EC will likely have lvl3 supply (...) and also marshall will be sooner or later"I'm pretty sure your EC will likely have that in the end. But when? oh, when you've invested 10000 medals in him. It takes away the whole advantage of a general being cheap. who cares about guderian? if you've invested 15k medals in your EC he will be better, plus you save a slot!!! an air general is a must have from the beginning till the end, actually i advice göring as your second general after badoglio. But yes, when you spend 10k medals in your ec, hell be better. but the problem is, you don't have that much medals when you need him. Göring is a cheap, medal-wise air bomber with amazing survivability plus a decent infantry general. He makes air bombing efficient, he generates income and make sure you don't spend to much income in bombing. I advice him before starting with your EC. Not really so expensive. Let's have a look at ECs I have now and which are real monsters. I am playing golden level aliens campaign and already got 3 golden stars everywhere instead of level 5 (I was some 3-4 turns late to get 3 stars), level 8 (I was 1 turn late) and level 9 (I haven't played it yet). My ECs are marshals, but some 200 hp have to be enough for some levels to get 3 stars and for other levels to get 2 or at leas 1 star. My ion canon is at level 1. 200 hp 1920 3 art 350 3 movement 340 3 explosives 560 3 plain 690 3 street 500 3 barrage 730 3 supply 1040 Total: 6130 meadls. Even making him marshal costs 1450 additional medals. Assuming this, I think for bronze level something like this have to be enough: 120 hp 720 3 art 350 2 explosives 240 2 plain 290 2 street 210 2 barrage 310 2 supply 480 Total: 2600 medals Btw, I haven't ever had air gen and haven't missed it (only ECs with air stars, initially only with 3 air stars). And also if we speak about aliens conquests, 99% of bombarding is done with nukes. and in campaigns instead of level 1 everywhere you use nukes, which are not affected by gen. Somewhere a bit of strategical bombers, but not so much to waste 2 k medals for that. I'd recommend 170 hp+3*arty&move+3*PF+2*AB&Explosives. The price, I believe is around a Guderian. The other two can wait(and me personally prefer Ace over Supply because 8 is too little in campaigns). |
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Post by border on Dec 8, 2016 9:09:07 GMT
I will go for Yamamoto. Only 800 medals away. I believe it is the right choice for atm.
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Dec 8, 2016 13:13:30 GMT
I'd recommend 170 hp+3*arty&move+3*PF+2*AB&Explosives. The price, I believe is around a Guderian. The other two can wait(and me personally prefer Ace over Supply because 8 is too little in campaigns). Regarding upgrade sequence - that can be adjusted by current needs. I have started with 3 tank/art stars, lv3 plain, suplly and explosives this way making some kind of gen with universal skills only, to add later tank and art special skills depending on which gens I will choose. But regarding supply IMO it's better only in challenges. Maximum gain from AF is 90 hp, and in aliens campaigns (and earlier you don't need ECs) you can get more from supply . Sure, with some exceptions, but in most campaigns you gen max level anyway, so AF have only temporary effect. It is useful only when your gen gets surrounded by enemies at the very beginning, but that can't be avoided only in challenges. Also keeping in mind that it's almost useless for conquests, I prefer supply. |
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