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Post by Bismarck Jr on May 12, 2017 23:16:58 GMT
Antonio Santa Anna : No, it won't. Empires never last that long. Founding of Rome : About 500-300 BC Death of Romulus the Last: 476 AD From Founding of Rome to Death of Romulus the Last: 776-976 years. You're still short 24-224 years from a thousand years, buddy. This doesnt count East Rome and Byz. |
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Post by Antonio Santa Anna on May 12, 2017 23:23:36 GMT
From Founding of Rome to Death of Romulus the Last: 776-976 years. You're still short 24-224 years from a thousand years, buddy. This doesnt count East Rome and Byz. True, but you could make the argument that they were completely separate empires, and that their history didn't start until the older Roman Empire ended. |
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Post by The Spanish Inquisition on May 12, 2017 23:23:59 GMT
From Founding of Rome to Death of Romulus the Last: 776-976 years. You're still short 24-224 years from a thousand years, buddy. This doesnt count East Rome and Byz. Do they really count as an extension of Rome, though? |
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Post by Desophaeus on May 12, 2017 23:32:20 GMT
Guys... you're forgetting about one thing.
From a broader perspective of ancient history, the various peoples has been categorized together into "Greco-Roman" because of so many similarities while being fairly different from other civilizations such as the Babylonians or the Hans, etc...
So there's a sense of continuity and cultural heritage flowing practically seamless from the rise of the Greeks to the fall of Byzantines, including the age of the Romans.
I would even argue that since the Byzantines call themselves the Eastern Romans for quite many a year after 284 AD when the spilt was decided on, which makes them partial owners of things Roman in the broader scope of world history.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 23:43:23 GMT
When you volunteer to be your team backup goalie and today is the day I wear a goalie gear.
So not playing as a forward tonight.
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Post by Bismarck Jr on May 13, 2017 0:11:10 GMT
This doesnt count East Rome and Byz. Do they really count as an extension of Rome, though? East Rome does. Thats like saying Germany isn't Germany because we don't have Austria. |
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Post by The Spanish Inquisition on May 13, 2017 0:18:08 GMT
Do they really count as an extension of Rome, though? East Rome does. Thats like saying Germany isn't Germany because we don't have Austria. Germany is Germany, but that's different. East Rome was predominantly Greek |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 13, 2017 0:22:52 GMT
Antonio Santa Anna : No, it won't. Empires never last that long. Founding of Rome : About 500-300 BC Death of Romulus the Last: 476 AD From Founding of Rome to Death of Romulus the Last: 776-976 years. You're still short 24-224 years from a thousand years, buddy. Not so fast, perhaps? Byzantine Empire: 1,123 years. For the Roman Empire itself it depends if you see the Eastern Roman Empire as legitimate. It is more legitimate than the other claimants, and functioned the same as ever when the western one died. After all, if it was the Roman decision to split the empire into 2 provinces (only for administration) than can one truly say it died? They still count as one empire in the Chinese tradition. In any case, you quoted the founding of Rome as a kingdom. It later became a Republic, so the Empire Proper was much less than 976 years. Also the Byzantine empire isn't illegitimate in the sense of not owning Rome, because not only did it temporarily recapture it, but the Western Roman Empire changed the capital before dying. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 13, 2017 0:38:35 GMT
East Rome does. Thats like saying Germany isn't Germany because we don't have Austria. Germany is Germany, but that's different. East Rome was predominantly Greek Well true. However, remember that at the dawn of the Roman Republic (which the OP used for his dating) the vast majority of people outside the city of Rome were not considered Roman. The entire Italy fought wars over it. It has to count for something that the administration did not change, ignoring necessary incremental changes due to the passing of time and warfare. They always called themselves the Romans, the Roman Empire. Never Eastern, never Greek. They spoke latin officially until 610. And what is an empire but the elites ruling over foreign ignorants? The western Europeans called them Greek to delegitimize them, but the Muslim empires who bordered Byzantium always referred to them as Roman, naming conquered regions Sultanate of Rome and such. Its like listening to some historical Christians propaganda about another historical Christian group, and assuming they aren't Christians then. Particularly considering the westerners were Germans with no (peacetime, native) connection to the Dead Empire. That of course not establishing Eastern Romanhood just because another group isn't. Anyway, the Romans always had a fascination with Greek culture, and integrated them in the West. More than one Roman Emperor would copy greek styles. I wonder when the last Roman immigrants to the east died out as a aware group? Posting this story again. On 8 October 1912, during the First Balkan War, Lemnos became part of Greece. The Greek navy under Rear Admiral Pavlos Kountouriotis took it over without any casualties from the occupying Turkish Ottoman garrison, who were returned to Anatolia. Peter Charanis, born on the island in 1908 and later a professor of Byzantine history at Rutgers University recounts when the island was occupied and Greek soldiers were sent to the villages and stationed themselves in the public squares. Some of the children ran to see what Greek soldiers looked like. ‘‘What are you looking at?’’ one of them asked. ‘‘At Hellenes,’’ the children replied. ‘‘Are you not Hellenes yourselves?’’ a soldier retorted. ‘‘No, we are Romans." |
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Post by Desophaeus on May 13, 2017 1:45:26 GMT
Random! A couple of hours ago, my wife and I visited a place that serves food from the Mediterranean and the middle east. I remember The Spanish Inquisition making a mention of shwarma (sic). They have like 80 food items on their menu, but had like 10 different mentions of shwarma this or that. So I tried a lamb shwarma sandwich (more of a thick pita serving as a wrap around the good stuff inside). Oh good heavens! It's so good! I am definitely going back there in the future again and again! |
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Post by Bismarck Jr on May 13, 2017 2:20:34 GMT
Random! A couple of hours ago, my wife and I visited a place that serves food from the Mediterranean and the middle east. I remember The Spanish Inquisition making a mention of shwarma (sic). They have like 80 food items on their menu, but had like 10 different mentions of shwarma this or that. So I tried a lamb shwarma sandwich (more of a thick pita serving as a wrap around the good stuff inside). Oh good heavens! It's so good! I am definitely going back there in the future again and again! Theres a greek place right by my house that sells it. Its a variant though. I'll go try shwarma rn, since they're open 24/7. Thats actually rare for Germany, most places close at 9. |
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Post by Desophaeus on May 13, 2017 3:16:34 GMT
Random! A couple of hours ago, my wife and I visited a place that serves food from the Mediterranean and the middle east. I remember The Spanish Inquisition making a mention of shwarma (sic). They have like 80 food items on their menu, but had like 10 different mentions of shwarma this or that. So I tried a lamb shwarma sandwich (more of a thick pita serving as a wrap around the good stuff inside). Oh good heavens! It's so good! I am definitely going back there in the future again and again! Theres a greek place right by my house that sells it. Its a variant though. I'll go try shwarma rn, since they're open 24/7. Thats actually rare for Germany, most places close at 9. Make sure it's a place that serves high quality food. This one got many good reviews on Yelp (which is fairly fickle and hard to maintain good reviews if you're serving terrible food). I found this place via Yelp when searching for high quality food places with many good reviews. Idk if Germans use Yelp (maybe they use a Deutsch version which is Delp  jk). |
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Post by The Spanish Inquisition on May 13, 2017 4:03:44 GMT
Random! A couple of hours ago, my wife and I visited a place that serves food from the Mediterranean and the middle east. I remember The Spanish Inquisition making a mention of shwarma (sic). They have like 80 food items on their menu, but had like 10 different mentions of shwarma this or that. So I tried a lamb shwarma sandwich (more of a thick pita serving as a wrap around the good stuff inside). Oh good heavens! It's so good! I am definitely going back there in the future again and again! I'm glad I showed you the light. |
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Post by The Spanish Inquisition on May 13, 2017 4:06:10 GMT
Random! A couple of hours ago, my wife and I visited a place that serves food from the Mediterranean and the middle east. I remember The Spanish Inquisition making a mention of shwarma (sic). They have like 80 food items on their menu, but had like 10 different mentions of shwarma this or that. So I tried a lamb shwarma sandwich (more of a thick pita serving as a wrap around the good stuff inside). Oh good heavens! It's so good! I am definitely going back there in the future again and again! Theres a greek place right by my house that sells it. Its a variant though. I'll go try shwarma rn, since they're open 24/7. Thats actually rare for Germany, most places close at 9. Go for Beef or Lamb. Chicken doesn't have enough fat for the proper Shawarma taste and feel. |
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Post by Desophaeus on May 13, 2017 4:51:39 GMT
Ah, I missed one a in Shawarma, I knew when I typed it out wrong, it had looked funny somehow.
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jk).
