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Post by Louis-Alexandre Berthier on Apr 11, 2017 17:15:36 GMT
I'm planning on buying one of them- can't decide though.
In case you didn't know, Lost Victories was written by Erich von Manstein and Panzer Leader was written by (duh) Heinz Guderian.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 11:31:29 GMT
Honestly I haven't read any of them. But I think Marshall of victories is written by Gregory Zhukov.
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Post by Louis-Alexandre Berthier on Apr 13, 2017 16:23:30 GMT
Yeah I know. But which one would you rather read?
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Post by stoic on Apr 20, 2017 5:51:34 GMT
In comparison to von Manstein, Guderian is a very obscure writer. Von Manstein (born Lewinski) is indeed a great strategic mind, one of the few (it is an opinion of John Erickson) in WW2, who could coordinate fronts’ operations. Guderian is a self-made PR-manager (though with some interesting insights, especially about armored warfare), Anyway, you should read “When Titans Clashed” of David M. Glantz as a sound antidote to both of them.
en.bookfi.net/book/1054299
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Post by stoic on Apr 20, 2017 5:55:36 GMT
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Post by stoic on Apr 20, 2017 11:43:07 GMT
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Sept 9, 2017 3:17:03 GMT
Panzer leader. Quite a lot of sentences in lost victoriea to justify the author"s actions. As a guy who read both, panzer leader is definitely better.
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Post by stoic on Sept 12, 2017 5:41:39 GMT
Panzer leader. Quite a lot of sentences in lost victoriea to justify the author"s actions. As a guy who read both, panzer leader is definitely better. Well, "justify the author"s actions" is another name for every book of this kind  Moreover almost all books of German generals were preedited by Halder: Thus we have very bias opinions of ALL German generals by any standarts... |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Sept 12, 2017 6:48:46 GMT
Panzer leader. Quite a lot of sentences in lost victoriea to justify the author"s actions. As a guy who read both, panzer leader is definitely better. Well, "justify the author"s actions" is another name for every book of this kind Moreover almost all books of German generals were preedited by Halder: Thus we have very bias opinions of ALL German generals by any standarts... Well, I 'trust'(if you know what I mean) fast Heinz more since he wasn't put into charges on the trials... For a non-'justify the actions' book, I loved the book, 'When the titans clashed' by J. A. Glantz(correct me if you will), Glanz is an expert in this kinda stuff  |
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Post by stoic on Sept 12, 2017 7:07:51 GMT
I've said exactly the same a couple of posts above Jonathan House is a coauthor of "When the titans clashed" btw... |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Sept 12, 2017 7:12:22 GMT
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Post by stoic on Sept 12, 2017 7:27:27 GMT
Guderian was not totally accurate either. Edition of Guderian's memoirs published in Germany differed from the one published in the United Kingdom (and thus known to us). For example there were no mention of Liddell-Hart or Fuller. That makes those two names a bit overesteemated in Armoured Warfare history. There is a letter by Liddell-Hart to Guderian where he insists for example that his role should be emphasized...
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 27, 2017 21:13:59 GMT
Guderian was not totally accurate either. Edition of Guderian's memoirs published in Germany differed from the one published in the United Kingdom (and thus known to us). For example there were no mention of Liddell-Hart or Fuller. That makes those two names a bit overesteemated in Armoured Warfare history. There is a letter by Liddell-Hart to Guderian where he insists for example that his role should be emphasized... Well,.Hart was known to tell the panzer aces to emphesize his roles, and defend them at court in return. |
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