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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jun 20, 2017 12:47:01 GMT
Erich von Ludendorff, Syria in 1180 was torn between Crusader States and Ayyubid Conquest. Meanwhile, Almohad was a significant force in Iberia, owned land in North Africa, and the only Muslim foothold in Europe.
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 20, 2017 13:05:12 GMT
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jun 20, 2017 13:06:31 GMT
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jun 20, 2017 13:39:24 GMT
Desophaeus, Quintus Fabius, even with the criteria of significance as opposed to power, Syria shouldn't be a major nation. It certainly was a significant battleground (with Saladin being Sultan of Syria, as well as Tripoli and Antioch controlling bits of it), but I've never heard any significant contribution made by Syria as a state. An independent Syrian state might not even have existed apart from revolts. Crusader States+Egypt can RP in Syria without Syria. Moving on to Almohad... While in the Crusades itself Almohad was insignificant, it certainly played a significant role in the Reconquista (being the Reconquested). With Castile and Aragon already PC, ruling Almohad out will prevent an all-player RP in Iberia and might not work with balancing. While it wasn't significant to the Crusades, the circumstances regarding this game has made in significant. Anyway, Antonio Santa Anna, how will the Crusader States be RPed?
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 20, 2017 13:42:39 GMT
Desophaeus, Quintus Fabius, even with the criteria of significance as opposed to power, Syria shouldn't be a major nation. It certainly was a significant battleground (with Saladin being Sultan of Syria, as well as Tripoli and Antioch controlling bits of it), but I've never heard any significant contribution made by Syria as a state. An independent Syrian state might not even have existed apart from revolts. Crusader States+Egypt can RP in Syria without Syria. Moving on to Almohad... While in the Crusades itself Almohad was insignificant, it certainly played a significant role in the Reconquista (being the Reconquested). With Castile and Aragon already PC, ruling Almohad out will prevent an all-player RP in Iberia and might not work with balancing. While it wasn't significant to the Crusades, the circumstances regarding this game has made in significant. Anyway, Antonio Santa Anna, how will the Crusader States be RPed? I'm just relaying what I gathered from Picard in some of the pages way back in the beginning of this thread. The selection is probably partially for gameplay sake while still have at least some historicality as a balance. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jun 20, 2017 14:08:22 GMT
Desophaeus , Quintus Fabius , even with the criteria of significance as opposed to power, Syria shouldn't be a major nation. It certainly was a significant battleground (with Saladin being Sultan of Syria, as well as Tripoli and Antioch controlling bits of it), but I've never heard any significant contribution made by Syria as a state. An independent Syrian state might not even have existed apart from revolts. Crusader States+Egypt can RP in Syria without Syria. Moving on to Almohad... While in the Crusades itself Almohad was insignificant, it certainly played a significant role in the Reconquista (being the Reconquested). With Castile and Aragon already PC, ruling Almohad out will prevent an all-player RP in Iberia and might not work with balancing. While it wasn't significant to the Crusades, the circumstances regarding this game has made in significant. Anyway, Antonio Santa Anna , how will the Crusader States be RPed? I'd suggest giving them to various crusading nations or raffle them off. |
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Post by Antonio Santa Anna on Jun 20, 2017 14:36:17 GMT
Desophaeus, Quintus Fabius, even with the criteria of significance as opposed to power, Syria shouldn't be a major nation. It certainly was a significant battleground (with Saladin being Sultan of Syria, as well as Tripoli and Antioch controlling bits of it), but I've never heard any significant contribution made by Syria as a state. An independent Syrian state might not even have existed apart from revolts. Crusader States+Egypt can RP in Syria without Syria. Moving on to Almohad... While in the Crusades itself Almohad was insignificant, it certainly played a significant role in the Reconquista (being the Reconquested). With Castile and Aragon already PC, ruling Almohad out will prevent an all-player RP in Iberia and might not work with balancing. While it wasn't significant to the Crusades, the circumstances regarding this game has made in significant. Anyway, Antonio Santa Anna, how will the Crusader States be RPed? I was thinking about giving them to whoever asks first, or only to those with just one nation. |
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Post by Erich von Ludendorff on Jun 20, 2017 14:50:21 GMT
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jun 20, 2017 15:31:24 GMT
look at it on my map, you need a magnifying glass to see them! |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jun 20, 2017 16:04:29 GMT
Also mildy stronk, though it was the reinforcements that kept them alive I guess. Pretty sure the Kingdom of Jersualem on that map is bigger than Israel (note the control of western/populous Jordan) and we all know that Israel can punch above its size. Kinda interesting that nobody is playing the literal crusaders. Can Byzantium into Anschluss like IRL? (one time a Crusader state sacked Cyprus, so the Byzantines beat them up and vassalized them) Darn, somebody confusing a country in this RP for Umayyad Caliphate. If the Umayyad was still a thing we might all be doomed. (note that the only place in the Middle east not taken by them was Asia Minor Byzantium) |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 20, 2017 16:15:44 GMT
I was thinking about giving them to whoever asks first, or only to those with just one nation. From what I remember, The Spanish Inquisition intended them to be initially considered as Papal soil (and the Pope is a NPC) so they're kinda under the protection of the European players from a collective perspective. I guess if any Muslim attacks one of them, a Crusade is declared by the Pope, and triggers a rush of knights pouring from Europe into those lands. The players will lose some of their military population automatically. I suppose some kings will decide to travel there to be leading the Crusaders. They could decide to appoint a loyal noble in important posts and be in control of some of those petty kingdoms de facto after a string of some great victories. From the opposite side, it's like watching the NPCs suddenly gets swarms of many, many reinforcements coming by the sea, landing next to them. That would be a challenge for the Muslim players to overcome. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jun 20, 2017 16:26:38 GMT
The Crusader states were always supported by the ones who founded them, no? The Muslims called them Franks.
If the states are attacked, it would make sense for the English, French, even Germans among others to personally deal with it. In other words, they can declare war and handle the operations instead of being told "well some of your troops are being used for an NPC, sucks to be you"
Maybe even Byz get in on the action eh? (nah, even though those regions are rightful East Roman clay)
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Post by Bismarck Jr on Jun 20, 2017 17:09:56 GMT
No
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jun 20, 2017 17:23:22 GMT
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Post by Erich von Ludendorff on Jun 20, 2017 18:09:31 GMT
For a Muslim country like mine, these small states are outposts built by the Christians that they will use to send men to attack Egypt, Rum and Syria. Luckily I'm in a corner  |
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