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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 3, 2017 23:20:16 GMT
If you're using a computer, you can use Word or Notepad first (but you will have to manually input the formatting for yourself after pasting it into a new post). For phones, there's both pre-bundled and downloadable notepad apps that you could type up a post before pasting it into here too.
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Post by Hugh III of Burgundy on Jul 3, 2017 23:48:16 GMT
If you're using a computer, you can use Word or Notepad first (but you will have to manually input the formatting for yourself after pasting it into a new post). For phones, there's both pre-bundled and downloadable notepad apps that you could type up a post before pasting it into here too. I think I'll do that. Thanks bro! |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 4, 2017 0:04:34 GMT
Make a part 2 to get around the dead post?
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 4, 2017 1:02:32 GMT
Perhaps I could detail the Ayyubids becoming Caliph instead (having control of all Abbasid territory, including Rum). An internal takeover of the Abbasid Caliphate makes more sense than an Almohad-Ayyubid union, of which the former never recognized Abbasid dominion anywy. You can have whatever Muslim Nation you want, BUT TOUCH RUM and I will attempt to kick your butt so hard. BTW the Turks should be no more than a vassal at most, I don't see how they are some sort of Abbasid package deal. I was thinkimg of detailing some intrigue, eroding Seljuk Turk influence in former Abbasid lands and making the Ayyubids the dominant force. That would include taking Rum, obviously. Of course, I could use the same intrigue to convince Almohad emirs to join Egypt. Maybe even both. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 4, 2017 1:04:55 GMT
You can have whatever Muslim Nation you want, BUT TOUCH RUM and I will attempt to kick your butt so hard. BTW the Turks should be no more than a vassal at most, I don't see how they are some sort of Abbasid package deal. I was thinkimg of detailing some intrigue, eroding Seljuk Turk influence in former Abbasid lands and making the Ayyubids the dominant force. That would include taking Rum, obviously. Of course, I could use the same intrigue to convince Almohad emirs to join Egypt. Maybe even both. When you say Rum you mean eastern Anatolia right? Well let me remind you something. You might have a claim based on abbasid over Rum, but I as the Eastern Roman Empire have a claim over YOU. Byz has owned you and Almohad put together, so hands off Rum. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 4, 2017 1:41:16 GMT
I was thinkimg of detailing some intrigue, eroding Seljuk Turk influence in former Abbasid lands and making the Ayyubids the dominant force. That would include taking Rum, obviously. Of course, I could use the same intrigue to convince Almohad emirs to join Egypt. Maybe even both. When you say Rum you mean eastern Anatolia right? Well let me remind you something. You might have a claim based on abbasid over Rum, but I as the Eastern Roman Empire have a claim over YOU. Byz has owned you and Almohad put together, so hands off Rum. If the future Caliphs coil to Byzantine threats, it would make me seem weak, is that not so? War will come, whether I give Rum or not. You have a claim, and no doubt you will press it some time. The question only is if I'd let you grow stronger before the inevitable war. Also, Ayyubid+Almohad put together? the Rashidun and Umayyad had smaller territory than the Abbasids, and the Abbasids obviously smaller than a Muslim union. |
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Post by Hugh III of Burgundy on Jul 4, 2017 1:53:08 GMT
So would I now be considered a major power? How do you classify a major or minor power?
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jul 4, 2017 1:59:22 GMT
So would I now be considered a major power? How do you classify a major or minor power? I wouldn't classify you as a major power. I'd only classify the Angvelian (or however its spelt), Byzantine and Ayyubid Empires as major powers. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 4, 2017 2:03:04 GMT
When you say Rum you mean eastern Anatolia right? Well let me remind you something. You might have a claim based on abbasid over Rum, but I as the Eastern Roman Empire have a claim over YOU. Byz has owned you and Almohad put together, so hands off Rum. If the future Caliphs coil to Byzantine threats, it would make me seem weak, is that not so? War will come, whether I give Rum or not. You have a claim, and no doubt you will press it some time. The question only is if I'd let you grow stronger before the inevitable war. Also, Ayyubid+Almohad put together? the Rashidun and Umayyad had smaller territory than the Abbasids, and the Abbasids obviously smaller than a Muslim union. Exactly. The Rashidun had just a tad more land in Africa than I did. Hence my claim. I also owned EGYPT and all of the Middle East west of Persia. Edit: If we include the Western Romans or the period just before deunification I did own the entirety of Rashidun west. Threats? You are the one taking over Rum. Not wanting to appear weak is your complex not mine. While I technically delivered a ultimatum you are so far away from invading Rum that its hardly a issue you have no choice on. BTW your claim business is no more than mutual considering Once you have Rum you are guaranteed to target ME. Thats the way it always goes, while I make peace with European rivals. So why let you become Stronger? Oh wait I'm mostly allowing it. Anyway...The Seljuks are as far as I remember the only Muslim power to take over much of Anatolia, so you actually don't have a claim. I don't care if you take Seljuk territories outside of Asia minor or Cacacus. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 4, 2017 2:09:07 GMT
If the future Caliphs coil to Byzantine threats, it would make me seem weak, is that not so? War will come, whether I give Rum or not. You have a claim, and no doubt you will press it some time. The question only is if I'd let you grow stronger before the inevitable war. Also, Ayyubid+Almohad put together? the Rashidun and Umayyad had smaller territory than the Abbasids, and the Abbasids obviously smaller than a Muslim union. Exactly. The Rashidun had just a tad more land in Africa than I did. Hence my claim. I also owned EGYPT and all of the Middle East west of Persia. Threats? You are the one taking over Rum. Not wanting to appear weak is your complex not mine. While I technically delivered a ultimatum you are so far away from invading Rum that its hardly a issue you have no choice on. BTW your claim business is no more than mutual considering Once you have Rum you are guaranteed to target ME. Thats the way it always goes, while I make peace with European rivals. So why let you become Stronger? Oh wait I'm mostly allowing it. Anyway...The Seljuks are as far as I remember the only Muslim power to take over much of Anatolia, so you actually don't have a claim. I don't care if you take Seljuk territories outside of Asia minor or Cacacus. Do claims really matter though? The Seljuks certainly didn't need that, and the original Roman Empire. I'm not trying to be "right". No one will ever be. It's merely serving my interest as best as I can. And if war is coming I best be the strongest I can be. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 4, 2017 2:22:08 GMT
So would I now be considered a major power? How do you classify a major or minor power? I wouldn't classify you as a major power. I'd only classify the Angvelian (or however its spelt), Byzantine and Ayyubid Empires as major powers. Ange-vin, not hard to speel once you've broke it down to Ange-vin. Anyway Angevin are both spelled the same way as a noun or an adjective btw. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 4, 2017 2:33:30 GMT
Exactly. The Rashidun had just a tad more land in Africa than I did. Hence my claim. I also owned EGYPT and all of the Middle East west of Persia. Threats? You are the one taking over Rum. Not wanting to appear weak is your complex not mine. While I technically delivered a ultimatum you are so far away from invading Rum that its hardly a issue you have no choice on. BTW your claim business is no more than mutual considering Once you have Rum you are guaranteed to target ME. Thats the way it always goes, while I make peace with European rivals. So why let you become Stronger? Oh wait I'm mostly allowing it. Anyway...The Seljuks are as far as I remember the only Muslim power to take over much of Anatolia, so you actually don't have a claim. I don't care if you take Seljuk territories outside of Asia minor or Cacacus. Do claims really matter though? The Seljuks certainly didn't need that, and the original Roman Empire. I'm not trying to be "right". No one will ever be. It's merely serving my interest as best as I can. And if war is coming I best be the strongest I can be. I'm tempted to say that don't say things you don't mean, but I was the first to bring up claims not you. I've never liked people losing on a certain point and then just switching to another. My interest is clear. If you want to be the strongest you can be, be prepared for a Byzantine Sized Dent in that dream. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 4, 2017 3:00:33 GMT
Do claims really matter though? The Seljuks certainly didn't need that, and the original Roman Empire. I'm not trying to be "right". No one will ever be. It's merely serving my interest as best as I can. And if war is coming I best be the strongest I can be. I'm tempted to say that don't say things you don't mean, but I was the first to bring up claims not you. I've never liked people losing on a certain point and then just switching to another. My interest is clear. If you want to be the strongest you can be, be prepared for a Byzantine Sized Dent in that dream. Alright. I suggested taking over the Abbasids (which would mean having rule over Rum), as a game mechanic, mind you. Then again, having a Byzantine sized problem is inevitable, it seems. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 4, 2017 3:09:13 GMT
I'm tempted to say that don't say things you don't mean, but I was the first to bring up claims not you. I've never liked people losing on a certain point and then just switching to another. My interest is clear. If you want to be the strongest you can be, be prepared for a Byzantine Sized Dent in that dream. Alright. I suggested taking over the Abbasids (which would mean having rule over Rum), as a game mechanic, mind you. Then again, having a Byzantine sized problem is inevitable, it seems. I'm not sure if Abbasid gives you Rum. 1. Seljuk is clearly a state that controls itself. It may or may not be a vassal, but considering Great Seljuk actively tried to vassal southerners... In fact the OTHER Seljuk might have control over Abbasid right now. If Abbasid is the vassal, that doesn't give you claim over the Owner. Not really. 2. Abbasid apparently doesn't have full control over Iraq, how does it dominate Seljuk? Anyway, You don't have to have this problem. As far as I know Saladins successors didn't bother invading Seljuk. Plus while I'm critical of this argument myself, I can guarantee neutrality for the game's duration at least. I'm quite possibly content to sit in my corner, but don't forget who started the First Crusade. It wasn't the pope who was the catalyst for your crusades sized problem. Edit: Oh I forgot. Just like ww1 RP, Turkey contains Greeks who I have the interest in rescuing. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 4, 2017 4:54:46 GMT
Alright. I suggested taking over the Abbasids (which would mean having rule over Rum), as a game mechanic, mind you. Then again, having a Byzantine sized problem is inevitable, it seems. I'm not sure if Abbasid gives you Rum. 1. Seljuk is clearly a state that controls itself. It may or may not be a vassal, but considering Great Seljuk actively tried to vassal southerners... In fact the OTHER Seljuk might have control over Abbasid right now. If Abbasid is the vassal, that doesn't give you claim over the Owner. Not really. 2. Abbasid apparently doesn't have full control over Iraq, how does it dominate Seljuk? Anyway, You don't have to have this problem. As far as I know Saladins successors didn't bother invading Seljuk. Plus while I'm critical of this argument myself, I can guarantee neutrality for the game's duration at least. I'm quite possibly content to sit in my corner, but don't forget who started the First Crusade. It wasn't the pope who was the catalyst for your crusades sized problem. Edit: Oh I forgot. Just like ww1 RP, Turkey contains Greeks who I have the interest in rescuing. Seljuks are de jure under Abbasid dominion, though they are not factually. That still gives the Abbasids a claim. |
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