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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 4, 2017 5:04:38 GMT
I'm not sure if Abbasid gives you Rum. 1. Seljuk is clearly a state that controls itself. It may or may not be a vassal, but considering Great Seljuk actively tried to vassal southerners... In fact the OTHER Seljuk might have control over Abbasid right now. If Abbasid is the vassal, that doesn't give you claim over the Owner. Not really. 2. Abbasid apparently doesn't have full control over Iraq, how does it dominate Seljuk? Anyway, You don't have to have this problem. As far as I know Saladins successors didn't bother invading Seljuk. Plus while I'm critical of this argument myself, I can guarantee neutrality for the game's duration at least. I'm quite possibly content to sit in my corner, but don't forget who started the First Crusade. It wasn't the pope who was the catalyst for your crusades sized problem. Edit: Oh I forgot. Just like ww1 RP, Turkey contains Greeks who I have the interest in rescuing. Seljuks are de jure under Abbasid dominion, though they are not factually. That still gives the Abbasids a claim. Here with the claims again. Rum enslaves my people and we are currently in the process of retaking it, both IRL and in game. (though IRL actually failing by this point) Is this De Jure dominion simply because Abbasid is a caliphate, or is it something more tangible? Pretty sure the Seljuqs don't bow to the Abbasid at all, but thats over in Iraq. All I want is Anatolia and above lol. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 4, 2017 5:13:55 GMT
Seljuks are de jure under Abbasid dominion, though they are not factually. That still gives the Abbasids a claim. Here with the claims again. Rum enslaves my people and we are currently in the process of retaking it, both IRL and in game. (though IRL actually failing by this point) Is this De Jure dominion simply because Abbasid is a caliphate, or is it something more tangible? Pretty sure the Seljuqs don't bow to the Abbasid at all, but thats over in Iraq. All I want is Anatolia and above lol. It's simply because it is a Caliphate. Though one could argue being Caliph grants an automatic claim to Muslim lands. I only brought this up because you brought up the relation of Seljuks with Abbasids, which doesn't matter in having a legal claim (which matters little in actually having a region). Then again, I've only began my plotting against the Seljuks, and it would be a few years before the Ayyubids could realistically gain control of the Abbasid Caliphate. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 4, 2017 5:16:14 GMT
Here with the claims again. Rum enslaves my people and we are currently in the process of retaking it, both IRL and in game. (though IRL actually failing by this point) Is this De Jure dominion simply because Abbasid is a caliphate, or is it something more tangible? Pretty sure the Seljuqs don't bow to the Abbasid at all, but thats over in Iraq. All I want is Anatolia and above lol. It's simply because it is a Caliphate. Though one could argue being Caliph grants an automatic claim to Muslim lands. I only brought this up because you brought up the relation of Seljuks with Abbasids, which doesn't matter in having a legal claim (which matters little in actually having a region). Then again, I've only began my plotting against the Seljuks, and it would be a few years before the Ayyubids could realistically gain control of the Abbasid Caliphate. Exactly my question. If you don't own Abbasid, then instead of you having a claim on Seljuk, Abbasid should have a claim on you. Thats equally or more logical. *insert continued Byzantine claims here* *insert threats of a third crusade in Rum but with Byzantine help* |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jul 4, 2017 5:24:06 GMT
Nice to see tensions heating up in the Mid East.
*Sits in safe corner of Europe, slowly Dominusing Maris Baltici and trading*
Tell me when you need some more Lisowczycy!
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 4, 2017 5:26:07 GMT
It's simply because it is a Caliphate. Though one could argue being Caliph grants an automatic claim to Muslim lands. I only brought this up because you brought up the relation of Seljuks with Abbasids, which doesn't matter in having a legal claim (which matters little in actually having a region). Then again, I've only began my plotting against the Seljuks, and it would be a few years before the Ayyubids could realistically gain control of the Abbasid Caliphate. Exactly my question. If you don't own Abbasid, then instead of you having a claim on Seljuk, Abbasid should have a claim on you. Thats equally or more logical. *insert continued Byzantine claims here* *insert threats of a third crusade in Rum but with Byzantine help* Which the Abbasids have already placed due to Egypt being a titular vassal. However I plan to take over the caliphate from the Abbasids. If that succeeds, that would grant a claim on Seljuk. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 4, 2017 5:29:03 GMT
Exactly my question. If you don't own Abbasid, then instead of you having a claim on Seljuk, Abbasid should have a claim on you. Thats equally or more logical. *insert continued Byzantine claims here* *insert threats of a third crusade in Rum but with Byzantine help* Which the Abbasids have already placed due to Egypt being a titular vassal. However I plan to take over the caliphate from the Abbasids. If that succeeds, that would grant a claim on Seljuk. Well we'll see if Seljuk even exists by then. (probably will, even if somewhat decreased in size) I'm not sure Seljuk are a vassal, so they are possibly a step up even if actually weaker than Egypt. Antonio Santa Anna, even though essentially a NPC now I have to wait till 1185 to attack Seljuk right? Because is a Muslim nation. (ignoring how aggressive the Seljuks were IRL) |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jul 4, 2017 5:33:38 GMT
Erm... Laurent de Gouvion, Imperial RomeBall, you might want to look at the map on page 1, because the Seljuks currently control the lands around Baghdad (Blue/Purple blob). (The Abbasids technically control Baghdad, but it's too small for me to bother showing). |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 4, 2017 5:37:55 GMT
Erm... Laurent de Gouvion , Imperial RomeBall , you might want to look at the map on page 1, because the Seljuks currently control the lands around Baghdad (Blue/Purple blob). (The Abbasids technically control Baghdad, but it's too small for me to bother showing). Well, I do plan on having Ayyubid-Seljuk conflict. I'm planning to leech away Seljuk power, really. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 4, 2017 5:40:17 GMT
Erm... Laurent de Gouvion , Imperial RomeBall , you might want to look at the map on page 1, because the Seljuks currently control the lands around Baghdad (Blue/Purple blob). (The Abbasids technically control Baghdad, but it's too small for me to bother showing). Thats the Seljuk Empire. The Sultanate of Rum seceded from them in 1077, also known as over 100 years ago. I'd support the Turks all moving to Iraq or Persia, as long as they get off my land. I'm being generous, I don't care what Abbasid takes over as long as its not Anatolia. They can have more southern and eastern Seljuk lands for all I care. (such as Baghdad region) |
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Post by Antonio Santa Anna on Jul 4, 2017 15:31:07 GMT
Which the Abbasids have already placed due to Egypt being a titular vassal. However I plan to take over the caliphate from the Abbasids. If that succeeds, that would grant a claim on Seljuk. Well we'll see if Seljuk even exists by then. (probably will, even if somewhat decreased in size) I'm not sure Seljuk are a vassal, so they are possibly a step up even if actually weaker than Egypt. Antonio Santa Anna, even though essentially a NPC now I have to wait till 1185 to attack Seljuk right? Because is a Muslim nation. (ignoring how aggressive the Seljuks were IRL) Yeah, but at least it won't be a long wait. |
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Post by Antonio Santa Anna on Jul 5, 2017 17:14:25 GMT
Catholic nations, where are you? You still need to elect a new Pope...
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 5, 2017 17:28:47 GMT
Catholic nations, where are you? You still need to elect a new Pope... I thought the pope is always a NPC? |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 5, 2017 17:33:27 GMT
Catholic nations, where are you? You still need to elect a new Pope... I thought the pope is always a NPC? Yeah because no European country would EVER try to influence the Papacy  (edit: Yeah I know you are just asking) |
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Post by Antonio Santa Anna on Jul 5, 2017 17:36:56 GMT
Catholic nations, where are you? You still need to elect a new Pope... I thought the pope is always a NPC? He is, but the rules still say he will be elected from among the Catholic nations. |
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Post by Caesar on Jul 5, 2017 17:43:20 GMT
I thought the pope is always a NPC? He is, but the rules still say he will be elected from among the Catholic nations. My nation is technically catholic. Do I have to select a pope as well? |
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