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Post by Antonio Santa Anna on Jul 7, 2017 14:01:29 GMT
Antonio Santa Anna, the Almohad Caliphate stated that he had 145,000 troops in Africa. I'm trying to annex Tripolitania and Tunisia (offering protection, really). With the Almohad realm supposedly in chaos, how many men do you all think they can raise to meet an invading realm to battle? I'm thinking on a quarter of his African troops (approx. 35,000) meeting the Libyan contingent of 10,000. Is that alright? Fine by me. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jul 7, 2017 14:17:39 GMT
Antonio Santa Anna , the Almohad Caliphate stated that he had 145,000 troops in Africa. I'm trying to annex Tripolitania and Tunisia (offering protection, really). With the Almohad realm supposedly in chaos, how many men do you all think they can raise to meet an invading realm to battle? I'm thinking on a quarter of his African troops (approx. 35,000) meeting the Libyan contingent of 10,000. Is that alright? Fine by me. Alright. Probably going to do a siege then such battle, because the time needed to raise troops and such. As to Frederick the Great , you're correct. I picked about 35,000 since it's close to what an actual Medieval army would have numbered, while IMO still realizing his superiority in force. Edit: Antonio Santa Anna, probably going to the turns tomorrow. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 7, 2017 15:32:31 GMT
Antonio Santa Anna , the Almohad Caliphate stated that he had 145,000 troops in Africa. I'm trying to annex Tripolitania and Tunisia (offering protection, really). With the Almohad realm supposedly in chaos, how many men do you all think they can raise to meet an invading realm to battle? I'm thinking on a quarter of his African troops (approx. 35,000) meeting the Libyan contingent of 10,000. Is that alright? Would he even have been able to muster anywhere near 145,000 though? I know Medieval armies were much much smaller back in those days. In theory, it's possible to muster that much during medieval times, BUT... the trick is trying to maintain enough logistics to keep it fed instead of having it starving down to size, losing to deserters, dying while pooping out diarrhea, etc... Long as you keep your troops spread out most of the time, except for campaigns, you could reasonably keep a very large army alive, but the tactical limitations means only a very few attacks could be done due to long-distance communications. Campaigns could be done in a very short term mass-suicide then disperse quickly as possible. Drawbacks to having such a large army...
It's funny that in RPs we don't account for the 90% of the ACTUAL casualties - Namely, Starvation and Disease. But then... we all live in the modern 21st century, so it's hard to imagine a world where if the demographics dip below 90% farming, the entire kingdom starves because it doesn't produce that much surplus OR a world that has to live through the bubonic plague, dysentery, cholera, dying at childbirth, leprosy, scurvy, rickets, even pneumonia. *hints at the GM to throw down MULTIPLE plagues on us*  |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 7, 2017 16:22:02 GMT
Byzanz has already paid its plague quota with among others the Justinian one Desophaeus. (Killed 25% of the people in the region and 40% of Constantinople) 35,000 makes sense as a battle force. MAYBE he can raise 145,000 men though I don't really believe it. However they wouldn't all assemble for one battle. BTW I'm thinking of declaring that Byzanz has 100,000 men in its army. 50,000 will the Kommenian field army and 50,000 will be more local troops. I can't guarantee it but 50,000 throughout the empire doesn't sound right. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 7, 2017 17:36:12 GMT
*attempts to do an Irish jig* Hey hey! Ire-land Is mine! Boyo! *falls over the floor clumsily*  |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 7, 2017 17:40:06 GMT
*attempts to do an Irish jig* Hey hey! Ire-land Is mine! Boyo! *falls over the floor clumsily* *falls over the floor clumsily* *200,000 Irishmen die* |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 7, 2017 17:52:43 GMT
*attempts to do an Irish jig* Hey hey! Ire-land Is mine! Boyo! *falls over the floor clumsily* *falls over the floor clumsily* *200,000 Irishmen die* If you're trying to make a reference to the low numbers of the forces involved in my post... Considered that I actually fielded TWICE the amount of soldiers in comparison to the First Landing of Henry II in RL, so if: "On 17 October 1171, King Henry landed at Waterford with a large army of at least 500 mounted knights and 4,000 men-at-arms and archers. Several siege towers were also shipped over." works... then surely mine does too at quite a larger number? Plus I pumped up the Irish to account for 12 years of rebuilding and desperately trying to maintain their independence. Reasonable, no? |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 7, 2017 18:00:31 GMT
*falls over the floor clumsily* *200,000 Irishmen die* If you're trying to make a reference to the low numbers of the forces involved in my post... Considered that I actually fielded TWICE the amount of soldiers in comparison to the First Landing of Henry II in RL, so if: "On 17 October 1171, King Henry landed at Waterford with a large army of at least 500 mounted knights and 4,000 men-at-arms and archers. Several siege towers were also shipped over." works... then surely mine does too at quite a larger number? Plus I pumped up the Irish to account for 12 years of rebuilding and desperately trying to maintain their independence. Reasonable, no? No insults to your turn. Just thinking of the consequences of a English conquest of Ireland. 2 million died or migrated at one point in the 1800s, over 220,000 dead in the Cromwellian invasion. I think Ireland maybe has enough people right now to lose 200,000 but can't be sure. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 7, 2017 18:02:43 GMT
If you're trying to make a reference to the low numbers of the forces involved in my post... Considered that I actually fielded TWICE the amount of soldiers in comparison to the First Landing of Henry II in RL, so if: "On 17 October 1171, King Henry landed at Waterford with a large army of at least 500 mounted knights and 4,000 men-at-arms and archers. Several siege towers were also shipped over." works... then surely mine does too at quite a larger number? Plus I pumped up the Irish to account for 12 years of rebuilding and desperately trying to maintain their independence. Reasonable, no? No insults to your turn. Just thinking of the consequences of a English conquest of Ireland. 2 million died or migrated at one point in the 1800s, over 220,000 dead in the Cromwellian invasion. I think Ireland maybe has enough people right now to lose 200,000 but can't be sure. Oh I was wondering what the connection was, lol. Got it.  |
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Post by Caesar on Jul 7, 2017 19:36:02 GMT
Sorry I haven't done my 1183 turn yet. Part of the problem is that I don't know how big my army should be. My 75,000 men was obviously too large. Is 35,000 in total (including reserves) too large?
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 7, 2017 19:38:37 GMT
Sorry I haven't done my 1183 turn yet. Part of the problem is that I don't know how big my army should be. My 75,000 men was obviously too large. Is 35,000 in total (including reserves) too large? Considering that Portugal hasn't gotten to its modern size yet... 15k? Sound good? It's what a smaller Portugal would be able to do at best in EU3 in my experience. Let's go with 25k since this is a RP, go ahead and have fun with it. |
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Post by Caesar on Jul 7, 2017 19:41:59 GMT
Sorry I haven't done my 1183 turn yet. Part of the problem is that I don't know how big my army should be. My 75,000 men was obviously too large. Is 35,000 in total (including reserves) too large? Considering that Portugal hasn't gotten to its modern size yet... 15k? Sound good? It's what a smaller Portugal would be able to do at best in EU3 in my experience. Let's go with 25k since this is a RP, go ahead and have fun with it. 25,000? Ok. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 7, 2017 19:44:53 GMT
If others disagree, you can always go back and edit it later without a problem, right? Caesar |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 7, 2017 19:47:21 GMT
Looking at what sources I can find....
Portugal had around 1,100,000 people in the 1400s, and regularly fielded 30-45,000 men. (at least twice that is)
The odd thing is, while I couldn't find stats for Portugal only in 1100s. Spain and Portugal (plus andalus?) combined had a larger population (barely) in 1200 than in the 1400s.
So I'd say that 25,000 is a fair upper limit, around that anyway.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 7, 2017 21:59:42 GMT
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