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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jul 8, 2017 18:02:55 GMT
Today on Channel Pole: Polska visits Grail-kun!
Grail-kun, Grail-kun! What's wrong, Polska-kun?Litwą and the other Pagans keep raiding my lands! Please do something! You're so hopeless, Polska-kun.*Item drops from Grail* One-Piece Crusade/Raid Prevention Kit!Go stab them a few hundred times with this and they'll stop raiding.[OOC: Go watch this if you have no idea what's happening.]
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 8, 2017 18:52:38 GMT
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Post by Antonio Santa Anna on Jul 8, 2017 19:16:32 GMT
1184 starts now. Since the deadlines clearly didn't do their job, I'm probably going to ignore or be lax with future deadlines. One of you asked for more time to finish 1183, so you still have it. Now, everyone, get to work. You have one more year until the Crusades start.
HRE:db7qD_Fl Pope:
In other news, Kievan Rus has fallen into anarchy, and is free for anyone to conquer (probably only Poland, but still).···
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jul 8, 2017 19:34:17 GMT
1184 starts now. Since the deadlines clearly didn't do their job, I'm probably going to ignore or be lax with future deadlines. One of you asked for more time to finish 1183, so you still have it. Now, everyone, get to work. You have one more year until the Crusades start. HRE: db7qD_FlPope: In other news, Kievan Rus has fallen into anarchy, and is free for anyone to conquer (probably only Poland, but still). Kievan Rus is avaliable to conquer, huh? I guess that Byzantium and Hungary will do so as well. Well, as long as they stay out of Galicia-Volhynia, Polotsk and Smolensk, I don't really care. BTW, here's a KR map for those who want a piece of the pie:
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Post by Hugh III of Burgundy on Jul 8, 2017 21:02:50 GMT
1184 starts now. Since the deadlines clearly didn't do their job, I'm probably going to ignore or be lax with future deadlines. One of you asked for more time to finish 1183, so you still have it. Now, everyone, get to work. You have one more year until the Crusades start. HRE: db7qD_FlPope: In other news, Kievan Rus has fallen into anarchy, and is free for anyone to conquer (probably only Poland, but still). Kievan Rus is avaliable to conquer, huh? I guess that Byzantium and Hungary will do so as well. Well, as long as they stay out of Galicia-Volhynia, Polotsk and Smolensk, I don't really care. BTW, here's a KR map for those who want a piece of the pie: What resources can we get from Kievian Rus?
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Post by Antonio Santa Anna on Jul 8, 2017 22:03:38 GMT
Kievan Rus is avaliable to conquer, huh? I guess that Byzantium and Hungary will do so as well. Well, as long as they stay out of Galicia-Volhynia, Polotsk and Smolensk, I don't really care. BTW, here's a KR map for those who want a piece of the pie: What resources can we get from Kievian Rus? Uhh... I'm honestly not sure what all you could get from Kievan Rus. Wood, fertile ground, and water are all given, but I can't find any information on minerals, metals, etc.
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jul 8, 2017 22:16:57 GMT
What resources can we get from Kievian Rus? Nowa Francja yuo want part of Kiev as well? Anyway, to answer yours (and Antonio Santa Anna 's) question, I ventured into the internet (sources were mainly Russian, so biases may exist in my data towards the Russian principalities), and found the following: Kievan Rus' exports: Furs (lots of them), leathers, lumber, beeswax, honey, slaves, some ore Kievan Rus' imports: Spices, Manufactured goods (especially those of metal), silk, cloth, jewellery So, in summary they import basically the same stuff as Polska, and export less agricultural products but more natural resources.
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Post by Hugh III of Burgundy on Jul 8, 2017 22:20:37 GMT
What resources can we get from Kievian Rus? Nowa Francja yuo want part of Kiev as well? Anyway, to answer yours (and Antonio Santa Anna 's) question, I ventured into the internet (sources were mainly Russian, so biases may exist in my data towards the Russian principalities), and found the following: Kievan Rus' exports: Furs (lots of them), leathers, lumber, beeswax, honey, slaves, some ore Kievan Rus' imports: Spices, Manufactured goods (especially those of metal), silk, cloth, jewellery So, in summary they import basically the same stuff as Polska, and export less agricultural products but more natural resources. Interesting! An agreement shall be worked out between us regarding this. Desophaeus, you might be interested in this.
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jul 8, 2017 22:38:25 GMT
Nowa Francja yuo want part of Kiev as well? Anyway, to answer yours (and Antonio Santa Anna 's) question, I ventured into the internet (sources were mainly Russian, so biases may exist in my data towards the Russian principalities), and found the following: Kievan Rus' exports: Furs (lots of them), leathers, lumber, beeswax, honey, slaves, some ore Kievan Rus' imports: Spices, Manufactured goods (especially those of metal), silk, cloth, jewellery So, in summary they import basically the same stuff as Polska, and export less agricultural products but more natural resources. Interesting! An agreement shall be worked out between us regarding this. Desophaeus , you might be interested in this. As long as you don't touch the principalities in my Sphere of Influence (Galicia, Volhynia, Polotsk), you can do whatever you want in the first round of divvying up the Kievan spoils.
Some notes for all of you about the principalities: Galicia-Volhynia: a larger principality, this state is historically, royal family-ily, and culturally tied to Poland and Hungary. Polotsk: a declining principality that's usually in civil war around this time. Smolensk: a rich, Europe-leaning principality that gets a lot of taxes from the trade route between Scandinavia and Byzantium. Kiev: the political, religious, and ex-financial centre of the Rus' principalities that is starting to decline in power. Pereyaslavl: not much to say about this principality, though its prince is always the son of the prince of Kiev. Murom-Ryazan (aka Ryazan): the easternmost principality that suffers from raids from the Kipchaks and a war with Vladimir. Vladimir-Suzdal (aka Vladimir): one of the stronger and richer principalities, it however is in war with both the Volga Bulgars and Ryazan. Chernigov: a rich principality that used to be the strongest principality after Kiev. Novgorod: a de facto independent principality that is the strongest economic and political power in the lands of the Rus'.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jul 8, 2017 22:51:11 GMT
Quintus Fabius , Hungary is lucky I'm leaving them land if you deny ownership of Galicia. There is what looks like a relatively thin passage past that made out of Cuman warriors. Edit: also Byzantine knowledge dictates that Russia is VERY poor, or at least was 300 years ago. Here is the same map with current Roman borders. Note that in Kherson and Krasnodar the borders are estimates and might be inaccurate. Not easy to hold such a land.
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 9, 2017 2:26:52 GMT
Desophaeus's conquering tendacies: tell him to tone it down because this isn't EUIV and realistically revolts would've kicked him out of France by now. Excusez-moi? Wait... you're critical of me being the king of my own people? Look at yourself, my dear friend. You went through a civil war with your own brother, took over Pomerania which I recall to be peopled with non-Polish folks who wouldn't necessarily welcome the prospect of being ruled over by foreign kings who don't even share the same religion anyway. You should be under greater risk of being exiled than me, considering the facts. How about your non-existent protests against Burgundy more than doubling his own size and expanding within the HRE borders? Hmm? Hmm? Or how about Egypt expanding all over Africa, Iraq, and then Turkey. Hmm? Hmm? You should have more cause to argue about them than me. Stripping off the coat of sugar, I am going to say it as it is: You're just emotionally unhappy with my turns. That's the only reason why you bother to make a mention of it. You're not actually whining about my turns being unrealistic, are you? Taking over Ile-de-France is a lot more realistic than taking over Pomerania in terms of scale, TBH. It doesn't help your case that you were interfering in my civil war while I didn't get myself involved in your area. You refused to leave things alone when I asked you to back off. You just went ahead and poked your nose in anyway. It definitely didn't help your case even more so when your most recent ally was a quitter who made an *Auto corrected* out of himself in his exit, dumping a mess on my face in the process just because he felt like being emotional about it. Seriously, is anyone wondering why I wouldn't be annoyed? Of course, I would be annoyed after being provoked repeatedly. Look, I am not actively trying to hinder you. I would even sign an approval for your crusade against the Lithuanians if you wanted. You didn't't have to alienate me to make things better for yourself. Now... I'm considering excommunicating you just out of spite to deny you this. The pope would have a probable cause since you had voted against him, btw.
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 9, 2017 2:29:14 GMT
For the record...
On top of what you criticized me, I DID rolled for revolts and threw them onto myself, fought them off before you said that.
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jul 9, 2017 2:36:54 GMT
Desophaeus's conquering tendacies: tell him to tone it down because this isn't EUIV and realistically revolts would've kicked him out of France by now. Excusez-moi? Wait... you're critical of me being the king of my own people? Look at yourself, my dear friend. You went through a civil war with your own brother, took over Pomerania which I recall to be peopled with non-Polish folks who wouldn't necessarily welcome the prospect of being ruled over by foreign kings who don't even share the same religion anyway. You should be under greater risk of being exiled than me, considering the facts. How about your non-existent protests against Burgundy more than doubling his own size and expanding within the HRE borders? Hmm? Hmm? Or how about Egypt expanding all over Africa, Iraq, and then Turkey. Hmm? Hmm? You should have more cause to argue about them than me. Stripping off the coat of sugar, I am going to say it as it is: You're just emotionally unhappy with my turns. That's the only reason why you bother to make a mention of it. You're not actually whining about my turns being unrealistic, are you? Taking over Ile-de-France is a lot more realistic than taking over Pomerania in terms of scale, TBH. It doesn't help your case that you were interfering in my civil war while I didn't get myself involved in your area. You refused to leave things alone when I asked you to back off. You just went ahead and poked your nose in anyway. It definitely didn't help your case even more so when your most recent ally was a quitter who made an *Auto corrected* out of himself in his exit, dumping a mess on my face in the process just because he felt like being emotional about it. Seriously, is anyone wondering why I wouldn't be annoyed? Of course, I would be annoyed after being provoked repeatedly. Look, I am not actively trying to hinder you. I would even sign an approval for your crusade against the Lithuanians if you wanted. Now... I'm considering excommunicating you just out of spite to deny you this. The pope would have a probable cause since you had voted against him, btw. Since when did you become the Papal States? And of course I'm unhappy with your turns. You've gone from doing your business in Western Europe to trying to meddle in Rus, Denmark and the Baltic, all of which I regard as closer to my sphere of influence than yours.
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Post by Desophaeus on Jul 9, 2017 2:51:35 GMT
Innocent III was ny nomination to start with. I wanted a pope that would approve Crusades (but then... come to think of it, ALL popes during that time was very approving of crusades against non-believers anyway). Now before you misunderstand me any further: The only thing I would want to do with Rus is some trading, at most, really. Denmark and Norway has blood ties with me. Normans, hello? Normandie was established by Norse and Danish vikings that had settled in Northern France. As Henry II, I certainly have far more in common with those two Scandinavian nations than Poland. Besides... you really really shouldn't have got involved with the Capet vs Angevin thing to start off. Regret much? I hope so. We can finally get back to cooperation if you would man up and apologize for your rude jabs and being nosy in my sphere of influence. Forgot to tag... here: Quintus Fabius.
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jul 9, 2017 3:07:34 GMT
Innocent III was ny nomination to start with. I wanted a pope that would approve Crusades (but then... come to think of it, ALL popes during that time was very approving of crusades against non-believers anyway). Now before you misunderstand me any further: The only thing I would want to do with Rus is some trading, at most, really. Denmark and Norway has blood ties with me. Normans, hello? Normandie was established by Norse and Danish vikings that had settled in Northern France. As Henry II, I certainly have far more in common with those two Scandinavian nations than Poland. Besides... you really really shouldn't have got involved with the Capet vs Angevin thing to start off. Regret much? I hope so. We can finally get back to cooperation if you would man up and apologize for your rude jabs and being nosy in my sphere of influence. Forgot to tag... here: Quintus Fabius. The King of Poland apologises for his envoy's remarks at the Angevin court, as well as interference in French affairs, and hopes that cooperation can happen between Kraków and Chinon (or is it Paryż now?) regarding affairs in Rus'.
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