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Post by Suvorov on Nov 4, 2015 21:15:10 GMT
First time we're allies! We're going to rek everybody
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Post by Von Bismarck jr on Nov 4, 2015 21:39:55 GMT
I would very much like to be Germany, if possible. However, I have a question: Nazi Germany didn't attackbthe soviets until 1941 when the NAP wa broken. Should Russia and Germany not be able to go to war until then?
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Post by Vatutin on Nov 4, 2015 22:21:55 GMT
First time we're allies! We're going to rek everybody Power of the Russian bear will rekt everyone
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Post by Mountbatten on Nov 4, 2015 22:26:03 GMT
I keep forgetting I'm in Axis! And before we start, I know how tempting it is to overrun Finland like it's nothing but let's actually try to stick historically as far as country invasions go.
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Nov 4, 2015 23:44:35 GMT
I think maybe we should also have events or decisions at certain points so as to make it more historically accurate. Here are five that I can think of right now: 1.Soviet-Japanese Border Conflicts -Battles of Khalkin Gol and Manchurian Border Conflicts occur between Mongolia and the USSR vs. Manchukuo and Japan -If USSR win the battles, Mongolia and USSR gain their claimed land and Japan and USSR sign a non aggression pact that will last until August of 1945. -If Japan wins the battles, Manchukuo gains its claimed land and no non-aggression pact will be signed. If this occurs, Japan will be able to make a decision later on. -Japan will be at slight disadvantage. -If neither side wins both battles, a non-aggression pact will be signed and disputed land will be given to the victor of the Battle of Khalkin Gol. -Unlocks at-August of 1939 (second half of 1939/first turn) -No longer active after-September of 1939. 2.Tora, Tora, Tora -Japan bombs Pearl Harbor -USA is brought into war against the Axis Powers -U.K, The Netherlands, Belgium and all other Western Allies declare war on Japan -USA loses X battleships and X aircraft (can't remember losses off top of my head, will look up info) -Western Allies gain morale boost -Unlocks at-December of 1941 -No longer active after-Janurary of 1942 3.Oriental Blitzkreig -Japan quickly takes over Philippines, Malaya, Burma, and Indonesia. -Thailand allies with Japan Unlocks at-After Pearl Harbor has taken place. 4.Operation North or Operation South -If Japan chooses Operation North, they will launch an invasion of the USSR and Mongolia along with the Germans. -If Japan chooses Operation South, they will bomb Pearl Harbor and attack the oil rich colonies of the Western Allies. -Decision unlocks at-December of 1941 -No longer active at-January of 1942. -Decision only occurs if Japan has won the Soviet-Japanese border conflicts completely. 5.Molotov-Ribbontrop Pact -Germany and USSR sign non-agression pact that will last until June of 1941. -USSR is allowed to invade Finland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Eastern Poland, and Bessarabia. -Germany is allowed to invade Western Poland, Denmark, Norway, and Western Europe. -Unlocked at-August of 1939 -No longer active after-June of 1941
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Post by Mountbatten on Nov 4, 2015 23:51:14 GMT
Finland can be attacked, but don't be like "Russia enters Finland and rolls a 10 and takes it over!" That wouldn't be very entertaining for me to be destroyed on the first turn.
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Post by Von Bismarck jr on Nov 5, 2015 0:02:49 GMT
Hmmmm...im not quite sure about this. I think something like Pearl Harbor should be like any other battle, but America never knew of it, so a circumstance the battle would be "American forces are unprepared." The Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty i feel should be an option, and there is no expiration date on it. Op. North Op. South j think is great, oriental blitzkrieg adds detail to Thailands joining of the scenario, but the battle of Khalkin Gol...i think it should just be the one battle, no small border disputes, and whoever wins gains so and so territories and an NAP might be signed, depending on who wins. Some things here are tweaked, others aren't, but if we get too historical, it would restrict the scenario.
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Post by Von Bismarck jr on Nov 5, 2015 0:04:34 GMT
Finland can be attacked, but don't be like "Russia enters Finland and rolls a 10 and takes it over!" That wouldn't be very entertaining for me to be destroyed on the first turn. God mountbatten I keep forgetting your axis, as well! Ok, maybe subtract finland from the Molotov-Ribbentrop thingn
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Nov 5, 2015 0:14:32 GMT
Finland can be attacked, but don't be like "Russia enters Finland and rolls a 10 and takes it over!" That wouldn't be very entertaining for me to be destroyed on the first turn. Invade is a term used to just say that the Soviets will attack Finland. Finland probs won't fall.
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Nov 5, 2015 0:17:21 GMT
Hmmmm...im not quite sure about this. I think something like Pearl Harbor should be like any other battle, but America never knew of it, so a circumstance the battle would be "American forces are unprepared." The Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty i feel should be an option, and there is no expiration date on it. Op. North Op. South j think is great, oriental blitzkrieg adds detail to Thailands joining of the scenario, but the battle of Khalkin Gol...i think it should just be the one battle, no small border disputes, and whoever wins gains so and so territories and an NAP might be signed, depending on who wins. Some things here are tweaked, others aren't, but if we get too historical, it would restrict the scenario. Khalkin Gol-I love your recommendation. Pearl Harbor-It would be an event because that's how Japan would enter the war with the west and if it was a battle, someone who was the US could be like "Builds inpentrable defenses in Pearl Harbor" Molotov-Ribbontrop-The limitation is for when the NAP ends (because then the treaty was sort of forgotten about)
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Post by Von Bismarck jr on Nov 5, 2015 0:29:12 GMT
I see your points on Pearl Harbor and M-R, and I agree with M-R now, but how would the event work? Would it just at some point pop up saying "Japanbhas laid waist to Pearl Harbor, destroying X (ship class)?" Adding to that, Player America might not have nearly their entire navy there, they still need to research tech, enlist men, they don't necessarily need to build ships but with Europe in hell the at the time pro-isolation country might grow a leeeeeeetle concerned (e's intended).
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Post by Jean Lannes on Nov 5, 2015 0:29:31 GMT
Can you add a country to this?
I personally would like to take Turkey as an example and I would be on the axis side.
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Nov 5, 2015 0:49:46 GMT
I see your points on Pearl Harbor and M-R, and I agree with M-R now, but how would the event work? Would it just at some point pop up saying "Japanbhas laid waist to Pearl Harbor, destroying X (ship class)?" Adding to that, Player America might not have nearly their entire navy there, they still need to research tech, enlist men, they don't necessarily need to build ships but with Europe in hell the at the time pro-isolation country might grow a leeeeeeetle concerned (e's intended). I would just announce "Tora, Tora, Tora event has occurred, Pearl Harbor was been bombed." I'm pretty sure America would lose like ten of their battleships (if the American navy isn't above 30 battleships, then the number of destroyed battleships will be reduced) and they'd lose 50 fighters and bombers. (I used the X's to represent the number of destroyed battleships or aircraft, as I didn't know what to put yet)
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Post by Von Bismarck jr on Nov 5, 2015 1:09:46 GMT
Now are you a definite referee, is that talleyrands job, or are you both refs? I approve of the event system, but gotta know refs.
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Nov 5, 2015 1:17:12 GMT
Now are you a definite referee, is that talleyrands job, or are you both refs? I approve of the event system, but gotta know refs. I am the Axis leader. I am sort of a ref, and I will announce the events.
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