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Post by silvercreek on Feb 14, 2019 15:36:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 16:07:16 GMT
Huh, he is a badass. I'm not from the US, So I didn't know his full back story. But I agree with Clausewitz, European battles most of the time eclipses American battles by popularity because wars in Europe started way back 2 millennia ago, thus bitter rivalries between familes, bloody revolutions and badass kings and Queens are there, while American history(at least the US one) only dates less than 300 years ago. |
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Post by Cyrus the Great on Feb 14, 2019 19:53:39 GMT
He isn't really remembered for doing great things that much though. Hmm,He won the battle of New Orleans against twice the number of British an major battle of, war of 1812 And was a great Indian fighter and president among his achievements. I guess you don't study U.S. history much. Most people remember him as someone who helped the Indians move out. Its not how I view Jackson though |
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Post by Clausewitz on Feb 14, 2019 21:03:00 GMT
Huh, he is a badass. I'm not from the US, So I didn't know his full back story. But I agree with Clausewitz, European battles most of the time eclipses American battles by popularity because wars in Europe started way back 2 millennia ago, thus bitter rivalries between familes, bloody revolutions and badass kings and Queens are there, while American history(at least the US one) only dates less than 300 years ago. That's exactly what I mean. Just look at the rivalry between England and France. The conflicts happened in North America are not teach't in german schools sadly even ww1&2 are to short handelt for my taste . I have read a lot about the napoleonic wars/revolutionary wars most the coalition side and now my focus shifts to the other side of the ocean. I started with Benedict Arnold quit a interesting figure. |
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Post by Cyrus the Great on Feb 14, 2019 21:06:22 GMT
Huh, he is a badass. I'm not from the US, So I didn't know his full back story. But I agree with Clausewitz, European battles most of the time eclipses American battles by popularity because wars in Europe started way back 2 millennia ago, thus bitter rivalries between familes, bloody revolutions and badass kings and Queens are there, while American history(at least the US one) only dates less than 300 years ago. That's exactly what I mean. Just look at the rivalry between England and France. The conflicts happened in North America are not teach't in german schools sadly even ww1&2 are to short handelt for my taste . I have read a lot about the napoleonic wars/revolutionary wars most the coalition side and now my focus shifts to the other side of the ocean. I started with Benedict Arnold quit a interesting figure. Game would be more interesting if it had Benedict. Another guy to talk about. I would make him a blue gen personally. If he hadn't betrayed the US, purple. Type, idk |
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Post by Clausewitz on Feb 14, 2019 21:24:03 GMT
That's exactly what I mean. Just look at the rivalry between England and France. The conflicts happened in North America are not teach't in german schools sadly even ww1&2 are to short handelt for my taste . I have read a lot about the napoleonic wars/revolutionary wars most the coalition side and now my focus shifts to the other side of the ocean. I started with Benedict Arnold quit a interesting figure. Game would be more interesting if it had Benedict. Another guy to talk about. I would make him a blue gen personally. If he hadn't betrayed the US, purple. Type, idk betrayal or not he was a talented field commander and was often overlooked by the Congress will other guys like Gates get praised. That probably would piss me of either. |
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Post by Cyrus the Great on Feb 14, 2019 21:31:05 GMT
Game would be more interesting if it had Benedict. Another guy to talk about. I would make him a blue gen personally. If he hadn't betrayed the US, purple. Type, idk betrayal or not he was a talented field commander and was often overlooked by the Congress will other guys like Gates get praised. That probably would piss me of either. True, he was a great fighter. |
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Post by Clausewitz on Feb 14, 2019 21:41:34 GMT
betrayal or not he was a talented field commander and was often overlooked by the Congress will other guys like Gates get praised. That probably would piss me of either. True, he was a great fighter. what parts of history they teach in the usa. If i may ask? |
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Post by Cyrus the Great on Feb 14, 2019 21:44:34 GMT
True, he was a great fighter. what parts of history they teach in the us. If i may ask? They usually always do the tension before the war, the revolution, the after math of the war (constitutional convention), all the documents like constitution and bill of rights, war of 1812, abolishment of slavery, and the civil war. Basically everything from the first tax act from Britain all the way to the end of the Civil War. This is from my memory. |
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Post by Clausewitz on Feb 14, 2019 22:01:47 GMT
what parts of history they teach in the us. If i may ask? They usually always do the tension before the war, the revolution, the after math of the war (constitutional convention), all the documents like constitution and bill of rights, war of 1812, abolishment of slavery, and the civil war. Basically everything from the first tax act from Britain all the way to the end of the Civil War. This is from my memory. hm kind of the same in germany if i remember correctly. We talked more about the post and pre war times than the wars it self(ww1&2). History class in germany starts with stone age and you learn only small parts of every Periods. Now days i can watch all the aspects of history i want, 19th century up to ww2. |
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Post by Cyrus the Great on Feb 14, 2019 22:27:16 GMT
They usually always do the tension before the war, the revolution, the after math of the war (constitutional convention), all the documents like constitution and bill of rights, war of 1812, abolishment of slavery, and the civil war. Basically everything from the first tax act from Britain all the way to the end of the Civil War. This is from my memory. hm kind of the same in germany if i remember correctly. We talked more about the post and pre war times than the wars it self(ww1&2). History class in germany starts with stone age and you learn only small parts of every Periods. Now days i can watch all the aspects of history i want, 19th century up to ww2. For me 3/4 of history was literally just US history. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 0:04:38 GMT
That's exactly what I mean. Just look at the rivalry between England and France. The conflicts happened in North America are not teach't in german schools sadly even ww1&2 are to short handelt for my taste . I have read a lot about the napoleonic wars/revolutionary wars most the coalition side and now my focus shifts to the other side of the ocean. I started with Benedict Arnold quit a interesting figure. Game would be more interesting if it had Benedict. Another guy to talk about. I would make him a blue gen personally. If he hadn't betrayed the US, purple. Type, idk Aye, Benedict Arnold. He got pissed at not being credited for his work, being ostracised for drinking with some pro colonial guys, and even helped his men with his own money. Great guy. Also, he just partied with them, but I understood why he got ostracised. Ruining the public image and such |
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Post by silvercreek on Feb 15, 2019 14:11:53 GMT
He wanted to fight and was capable just got passed over too many times,Washington was too busy to care.
Although I understand his bitterness, turning traitor, is all he will remembered for.
Even in grade school,Washington the hero,Arnold the dispised traitor,what a legacy!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 14:26:11 GMT
He wanted to fight and was capable just got passed over too many times,Washington was too busy to care. Although I understand his bitterness, turning traitor, is all he will remembered for. Even in grade school,Washington the hero,Arnold the dispised traitor,what a legacy! I guess that's the problem with the education system. They try to cram as much unnecessary information, so they don't go in the nuances and just generalize things. Washington is great tho. Also, before someone mentions it, the reason why the founding fathers didn't abolish slavery was simply because they didn't want a civil war to occur right after their war with Britain, and building and forming the United States was more of a priority. Also, being morally superior in a place where having slaves is the norm is a fast way to be divisive and cause political problems. And about Benedict Arnold, his actions were understandable. Got shot in the foot, others took his credit (doesn't help that those who took his credit weren't as capable as he is), not being helped in his campaigns. Maybe if he didn't betray the US, he would be the greatest US hero of his time. But sadly, he was human, and like all humans subjected in such situation, the idea of switching sides would come up. And he sadly he took it. |
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Post by silvercreek on Feb 15, 2019 14:27:35 GMT
Hmm,He won the battle of New Orleans against twice the number of British an major battle of, war of 1812 And was a great Indian fighter and president among his achievements. I guess you don't study U.S. history much. Most people remember him as someone who helped the Indians move out. Its not how I view Jackson though Well, he forced the Indians to move to Oklahoma, under much deress and many died. Trail of tears. Popular at the time for white settlers at the time,not viewed in the best light now. |
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