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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jul 6, 2016 16:38:43 GMT
Yes but I primarily know him for Austerlitz That may not be what other people remember him for Like looting Andalusia, or looting Portugal, or being a sloppy chief of staff
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Post by wollesu on Jul 6, 2016 18:02:06 GMT
Wollesu (월러스) is the korean name for Wallace , my actual name
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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Jul 6, 2016 21:22:53 GMT
Wollesu (월러스) is the korean name for Wallace , my actual name Are you Korean?
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 7, 2016 6:29:25 GMT
Bagration, like Lannes, did a lot in his short life though. And I'd remember Soult for his action with the IV. Corps at Austerlitz I'm the person who thinks that any of Napoleons marshals could have led the attack and succeeded due to the fog and the weak coalition centre. I guess Bagration may have been a good choice but well, he just doesn't have the fame of Radetzky. But anyway, I changed my name to Yi sun sin. (it is not my name) I never heard of Radetzsky but knew Bagration very well. Mostly because I honestly have no interest in Austrian commanders and armies as they just got rekt 24/7 by France
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 7, 2016 6:30:42 GMT
That may not be what other people remember him for Like looting Andalusia, or looting Portugal, or being a sloppy chief of staff Berthier on the other hand was incapable of leading an army at all. He had to give up command after like 3 days in 1809
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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Jul 7, 2016 9:41:09 GMT
I'm the person who thinks that any of Napoleons marshals could have led the attack and succeeded due to the fog and the weak coalition centre. I guess Bagration may have been a good choice but well, he just doesn't have the fame of Radetzky. But anyway, I changed my name to Yi sun sin. (it is not my name) I never heard of Radetzsky but knew Bagration very well. Mostly because I honestly have no interest in Austrian commanders and armies as they just got rekt 24/7 by France The Austrians did not get wrecked 24/7 and they provided like 400000 troops to the coalition during the Napoleonic wars. They recieved lots of attacks from the French while Britain just sat in their islands doing nothing except protecting their colonies, trade routes etc. It's quite normal that the Austrians stood no chance against the French since even the Russians had to burn Moscow to drive the French out even though they had Bagration. The Austrians almost always stayed loyal to the Coalition. Without them, the coalition would only have Russia as their main power in mainland Europe.( before Prussia joined the war. ) Why am I even defending Austria? Lol
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 7, 2016 21:25:41 GMT
I never heard of Radetzsky but knew Bagration very well. Mostly because I honestly have no interest in Austrian commanders and armies as they just got rekt 24/7 by France The Austrians did not get wrecked 24/7 and they provided like 400000 troops to the coalition during the Napoleonic wars. They recieved lots of attacks from the French while Britain just sat in their islands doing nothing except protecting their colonies, trade routes etc. It's quite normal that the Austrians stood no chance against the French since even the Russians had to burn Moscow to drive the French out even though they had Bagration. The Austrians almost always stayed loyal to the Coalition. Without them, the coalition would only have Russia as their main power in mainland Europe.( before Prussia joined the war. ) Why am I even defending Austria? Lol Commenting for later debunk
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 8, 2016 8:08:57 GMT
The Austrians did not get wrecked 24/7 and they provided like 400000 troops to the coalition during the Napoleonic wars. They recieved lots of attacks from the French while Britain just sat in their islands doing nothing except protecting their colonies, trade routes etc. It's quite normal that the Austrians stood no chance against the French since even the Russians had to burn Moscow to drive the French out even though they had Bagration. The Austrians almost always stayed loyal to the Coalition. Without them, the coalition would only have Russia as their main power in mainland Europe.( before Prussia joined the war. ) Why am I even defending Austria? Lol Commenting for later debunk Ok time to destroy this argument: Manpower isn't the best argument. The British and French did very well with smaller armies while the Russians used huge armies in the 3rd and 4th Coalition. "They received lots of attacks from France" Diplomatically speaking France never declared war on Austria so that's complete bs. The French tactic was to be offensive and btw the 3rd Coalition started in Bavaria which was Napoleon's ally. Britain didn't just sit on their island. They had multiple attacks on Kopenhagen, the Walcheren Expedition, the naval blockade, two armies sent to Spain, capture of Southern France, etc. It isn't normal that the Austrians had no chance, they were often facing a smaller army but couldn't even destroy it. The only thing I credit Austria in the war for is Aspern-Essling and that because of a lucky 3 pounder hitting Lannes' kneecap. The Russians burned their land because they were facing an army of 680,000 men (maximum on June 25th, 1812) unlike the Austrians who faced max 200,000. The Austrians didn't stay loyal to "the Coalition" at all. They made a separate peace with France after Austerlitz, didn't participate in the 4th Coalition, were technically at war with Russia during the 5th Coalition (which they practically lead themselves). And during the 6th Coalition it was Austria who tried to ease tensions in 1813 but ultimately failing. Nobody was loyal to "the Coalition" because all members except the UK joined the Continental System. Without Austria the Coalition would also have Prussia which could've dealt damage to France if the average Prussian general didn't think it was 1762 and wasn't 60 years old on average. Prussia surrendered after 19 days of fighting, that's pitiful. Oh and Prussia was part of the 1st, 4th, 6th and 7th Coalition. And last but not least more proof that Austria betrayed the Coalition, they send 20,000 men for the Russian Expedition just like Prussia did. I guess you could say your argument is gone
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jul 8, 2016 8:09:46 GMT
Considering your username Yi Sun Sin I'm not surprised you defend Austria lmao
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Aug 1, 2016 18:38:37 GMT
I switched to Moshe Dayan since he's the most impressive Israeli general who wasn't involved in Politics too recently
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 1, 2016 18:47:24 GMT
Switched to Budyonny since he deserves more than 180 medals and being the worst general ingame.
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Aug 1, 2016 19:04:22 GMT
Switched to Budyonny since he deserves more than 180 medals and being the worst general ingame. Well, he did lose horribly in operation Barbarossa
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 1, 2016 19:27:31 GMT
Switched to Budyonny since he deserves more than 180 medals and being the worst general ingame. Well, he did lose horribly in operation Barbarossa But at least he wasn't The Battener (Or Pétain)
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Aug 1, 2016 19:28:18 GMT
Well, he did lose horribly in operation Barbarossa But at least he wasn't The Battener (Or Pétain) Or Gamelin, for that matter
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 2, 2016 0:24:07 GMT
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